XL Bully Dogs.........

Dominic · September 2023

the_jaffa said:

tony99 said:

Dominic said:

Latest News ...........looks like they are about to be banned
2 of them just killed a man in Staffordshire and that was the last straw

I didn't think the breed of dog in that attack had been determined

Quote:

"Staffordshire Police say the two dogs involved in a fatal attack in Stonnall are believed to be XL bully dogs.
One of the dogs has died after being restrained and the other has died after an injection was given by a vet, police confirm.
"Further tests are being carried out today to determine their breed," they say in a statement."

Sounds like they were Bully XLs but because the breed is not entirely defined they are being circumspect until they are confirmed.

dogs or humans.........it's quite remarkable how many things have a tendency to die whilst ' being restrained by Police '
it's a bit Steve Biko

tony99 · September 2023

the_jaffa said:

tony99 said:

Dominic said:

Latest News ...........looks like they are about to be banned
2 of them just killed a man in Staffordshire and that was the last straw

I didn't think the breed of dog in that attack had been determined

Quote:

"Staffordshire Police say the two dogs involved in a fatal attack in Stonnall are believed to be XL bully dogs.
One of the dogs has died after being restrained and the other has died after an injection was given by a vet, police confirm.
"Further tests are being carried out today to determine their breed," they say in a statement."

Sounds like they were Bully XLs but because the breed is not entirely defined they are being circumspect until they are confirmed.

Ah fair enough, I read a different account

AK99 · September 2023

Dominic said:

Latest News ...........looks like they are about to be banned
2 of them just killed a man in Staffordshire and that was the last straw

FFS - that's medieval. Poor guy.

I don't know if the two dogs belonged to the same owner, but if so it seems for some reason to be even more criminal than it would be otherwise.

TeleMaster · September 2023

menamestom said:

Interesting take from a dog behaviorist, who doesn't believe in breed specific legislation and that dog agression is not necessarily inherent to a particular breed:-

The American XL Bully Dog | Doglistener

I dunno, seems like having lots of mad dogs on the street for him to treat is good for business, whereas banning them is not.

Jo-to-po · September 2023

TeleMaster said:

menamestom said:

Interesting take from a dog behaviorist, who doesn't believe in breed specific legislation and that dog agression is not necessarily inherent to a particular breed:-

The American XL Bully Dog | Doglistener

I dunno, seems like having lots of mad dogs on the street for him to treat is good for business, whereas banning them is not.

And if you'd actually read the article you'd have seen that he advocates banning this particular breed.

fastonebaz · September 2023

Are we allowed to walk through the park with a tiger or hyena on a lead?

tony99 · September 2023

fastonebaz said:

Are we allowed to walk through the park with a tiger or hyena on a lead?

Tigers yes, if you really love their feet, that's sweet.

But hyenas? You having a laugh?

Dominic · September 2023

AK99 said:

Dominic said:

Latest News ...........looks like they are about to be banned
2 of them just killed a man in Staffordshire and that was the last straw

FFS - that's medieval. Poor guy.

I don't know if the two dogs belonged to the same owner, but if so it seems for some reason to be even more criminal than it would be otherwise.

Apparently he was 52 and died protecting his mother after they mauled him for 20 minutes having jumped out of a window at their home .A truly terrible death .
Nobody should have to risk that fate whatever the law says about dogs .

bbill335 · September 2023

most people can't even watch a film at the cinema without looking at their phone, drive like an adult, yet they think they can be responsible for an unpredictable ball of teeth and muscle much faster and stronger than themselves? give me a break. people can't control themselves, let alone a vanity fightdog.

AK99 · September 2023

Dominic said:

AK99 said:
FFS - that's medieval. Poor guy.

I don't know if the two dogs belonged to the same owner, but if so it seems for some reason to be even more criminal than it would be otherwise.

Apparently he was 52 and died protecting his mother after they mauled him for 20 minutes having jumped out of a window at their home .A truly terrible death .
Nobody should have to risk that fate whatever the law says about dogs .

Chr**t - can you imagine being bitten and mauled like that for a minute even. Aw man.

menamestom · September 2023

TeleMaster said:

menamestom said:

Interesting take from a dog behaviorist, who doesn't believe in breed specific legislation and that dog agression is not necessarily inherent to a particular breed:-

The American XL Bully Dog | Doglistener

I dunno, seems like having lots of mad dogs on the street for him to treat is good for business, whereas banning them is not.

That's the point, even he thinks the XL Bully is too much and as a breed has crossed the line.

This was really to point out to poeple that believe this is just the latest breed, in a long line of sensationalist media led knee jerk reactions, it really isn't.

Dominic · September 2023

I don't for one moment think it's a knee jerk ........I think something needs to be done quickly ....why call it a knee-jerk ?
The fact that there has been a sudden spate of death is pretty serious.
The old newspaper editor line " Dog bites man isn't news ...........man bites dog is " ......is true ;
"Dog bites man ",sure happens all the time ..........Dog mauls man/child etc to death and is an unstoppable monstrosity certainly is news .
If you've seen these things ( I have now seen 3 ) they are fearsome .
Get rid.

Offset · September 2023

I'd go further. I'd say that existing BXLs shouldn't be put on an exemption list - they should all be put down (preferably along with their owners). How many more people do you want to die?

mikeyrob73 · September 2023

Dominic said:

I don't for one moment think it's a knee jerk ........I think something needs to be done quickly ....why call it a knee-jerk ?
The fact that there has been a sudden spate of death is pretty serious.
The old newspaper editor line " Dog bites man isn't news ...........man bites dog is " ......is true ;
"Dog bites man ",sure happens all the time ..........Dog mauls man/child etc to death and is an unstoppable monstrosity certainly is news .
If you've seen these things ( I have now seen 3 ) they are fearsome .
Get rid.

Do you think for one second banning this “ breed” is going to fix the problem ?

The problem will return with a different breed and until we fix the actual problem ,Dogs as weapons, there is very little recourse on the owner. Start holding owners responsible and you soon see a change. The owner/s of these dogs should be on a murder charge, for me it’s that simple.

And yes I have seen “these things” I have met a few and everyone I have met have been well trained and well socialised.

They are units. They are big dogs but that does not make them “devil dogs”
but without proper handling and decent breeding these things are going to keep happening.

Stop back yard breeders breeding these things bigger and bigger, stop back yard breeders selling these things to anyone and everyone ( roadman init ) make them registered , stop these scrotes using dogs as weapons. Deal with the fucking problem not just ban a breed of dog because roadman will just move onto the next breed until it’s banned

danishbacon · September 2023

The most enlightening thing for me has been reading up on the incidents list and looking at the repercussions to owners. It’s very little for a lot of damage.

Gilly · September 2023

danishbacon said:

The most enlightening thing for me has been reading up on the incidents list and looking at the repercussions to owners. It’s very little for a lot of damage.

And therein lies the problem. As usual the government will go for a headline grabbing “solution” that won’t address the real problem.

Cranky · September 2023

Maybe there should be a program where XL bullies are put up for adoption, but then anyone who comes in looking to adopt gets arrested.

AK99 · September 2023

^ Torn between a lol and a wis for that. I went for the former, because I did

menamestom · September 2023

mikeyrob73 said:

Dominic said:

I don't for one moment think it's a knee jerk ........

Me neither. There has always been irresponsible owners, using them as fighting dogs and weapons.

But the jump with this breed has been statistically very significant.

Doesn’t mean you don’t tackle the owners as well.

menamestom · September 2023

mikeyrob73 said:

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Stop back yard breeders breeding these things bigger and bigger,

That’s literally what has been happening with the
Bully XL. (Clue is in the title, you can also get an XXL apparently?

Did you read the article I posted btw?

Agree on punishing the owners severely but that won’t put others off and is very much after the horse has bolted.

It is mainly on the owners in all cases, but as the link I posted said from the dog behaviourist said this breed is a bit different and the only breed he will not work with because if its unpredictability.

euan · September 2023

It turns out a substantial amount of the UK population of XL Bullies are bred from a stud called Killer Kimbo.

Guess why he got his name?

goldtop · September 2023

On Twitter 'dog racism' is trending. And someone posted this in response:

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Jo-to-po · September 2023

euan said:

It turns out a substantial amount of the UK population of XL Bullies are bred from a stud called Killer Kimbo.

Guess why he got his name?

Because his owner’s a cunt.

breezytele · September 2023

Cycling around the perimeter track in Richmond Park, I encountered an owner (on his phone)
with a bully XL off lead. First time I’d ever seen one, and it’s nothing like a pit bull or Staff.

it was huge.

I was immediately aware of its speed (fortunately after a squirrel) and massive bulk and jaws.
I’m a dog lover, but the physicality of this dog just made me aware that it could ruin, or even kill me.

Simply put, It was a massively intimidating beast.

within 30 seconds, I was beyond range and it had showed no interest in me.

I’m delighted to hear they’re banned.

tony99 · September 2023

best make sure your 'shinnying up a lamppost game is on point until these things are gone, we're all at risk

they look like Zul's gargoyle dogs from Ghostbusters

notanon · September 2023

I spent a couple of hours trying to figure out how to defend against a 'triggered' dangerous dog. I mean for ordinary ppl not a super fit martial artist.

Fat chance!

There are ways but you will most likely end up prosecuted :-(

Now, consider walking in the park with your grandson of granddaughter FFS this is wrong!

Offset · September 2023

"Officers had spoken to the dog owner on two previous occasions after being called to incidents in the area, the force said."

What a cunt.

Gilly · September 2023

notanon said:

I spent a couple of hours trying to figure out how to defend against a 'triggered' dangerous dog. I mean for ordinary ppl not a super fit martial artist.

Fat chance!

There are ways but you will most likely end up prosecuted :-(

Now, consider walking in the park with your grandson of granddaughter FFS this is wrong!

My first thought would be ramming a key into its eyeball but how realistic that would be in the heat of the moment I don’t know. Hope I never find out.

Dominic · September 2023

I was with somebody yesterday ,58 years old but very seriously hard . 14 years Royal Marine Commandos , actively fought in the Falklands and is Sargant at arms of a well known 1% Motorcycle Club .......has also worked as a Club doorman and been a bare knuckle fighter . You would never ,never fuck with the guy........somebody he knows has one of these things .
He said ....."That fucking thing would kill me in minutes " .....and he's very big
How can the public......children,older people....anybody be exposed to that risk ?

Moloch · September 2023

Had a friend who had one of these and wanted another one. I absolutely refused to go near it. For all that he could get it under control for the most part, it was clearly only a matter of wrong place, wrong time, with him either not around or not able to control in in the moment. I'm 6'1, about 18 stone and have lifted weights since I left school. I wanted nothing to do with that animal.

No exemption list. Put them down and give serious prison time to anyone who doesn't hand them over.

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