XL Bully Dogs.........

WezV · September 2023

Banning Artificial Insemination Clinics would be a good first step. Then ban all the usual sales channels from listing these breeds.

Make it harder to breed, and harder to sell.

euan · September 2023

If we are all about punishing irresponsible owners I’d start with making it illegal to have dogs off leash in non designated public areas

paulnb57 · September 2023

All dog breeds are, or can be dangerous, they need to be well socialised, with people and other animals
As the owner of a Stafford and an English Bull Terrier, I know all to well people breed prejudices, people cross the, pick up their dogs etc when they see us coming, my dogs just ignore them as they have been trained to do.
I always put them back on lead if there are kids about..
The amount of rug rats that charge up to us spitting and snarling, you wouldn't believe and the owner laugh it off, if mine did it there would be hell on.....
I think it the Labrador that has the most reported bite incidents annually? Ok they are probably also the most popular breed here and of course a Bull breed is a strong biter
We regulated our dogs bits as pups, they only ever mouth even when ultra excited.....

But there will always be the scrote stinking of weed with a trophy dog ruining it for us all.

Trouble is, dogs are not policed until something happens

Kittyfrisk · September 2023

paulnb57 said:

All dog breeds are, or can be dangerous, they need to be well socialised, with people and other animals
As the owner of a Stafford and an English Bull Terrier, I know all to well people breed prejudices, people cross the, pick up their dogs etc when they see us coming, my dogs just ignore them as they have been trained to do.
I always put them back on lead if there are kids about..
The amount of rug rats that charge up to us spitting and snarling, you wouldn't believe and the owner laugh it off, if mine did it there would be hell on.....
I think it the Labrador that has the most reported bite incidents annually? Ok they are probably also the most popular breed here and of course a Bull breed is a strong biter
We regulated our dogs bits as pups, they only ever mouth even when ultra excited.....

But there will always be the scrote stinking of weed with a trophy dog ruining it for us all.

Trouble is, dogs are not policed until something happens

Trouble is, in England most crimes are not policed until something very serious happens.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66784250

tony99 · September 2023

I think the owner of the dog in the Birmingham video has now been arrested: on suspicion of possessing a dog dangerously out of control

merlin · September 2023

tony99 said:

I think the owner of the dog in the Birmingham video has now been arrested: on suspicion of possessing a dog dangerously out of control

"On suspicion".

m_c · September 2023

merlin said:

tony99 said:

I think the owner of the dog in the Birmingham video has now been arrested: on suspicion of possessing a dog dangerously out of control

"On suspicion".

You do realise you're only suspected of a crime until you've been proven/pled guilty?

hollywoodrox · September 2023

digitalscream said:

Axe_meister said:

I've seen quite a few people with these XLs and even the biggest strongest looking have problems handling the strength of these things, let alone a very petit woman I saw the other day who could not even handle a puppy version of the dog.

One problem is that people wildly underestimate canine strength - I'm a 16st not-particularly-weak bloke, and our 7st Akita has enough pulling power that it takes all of my strength to stop her when she's decided it's go-time (usually a sheep issue). Even a Westie has enough strength and four-wheel-drive to pull someone off-balance if they're not paying attention, which is why it drives me absolutely nuts that you see people walking their dogs while on the phone, usually with an extendable lead that gives them zero control.

Dog ownership is inherently risky. If people can't think that through, then the law should be used to make it absolutely clear - transfer all of the risk to the owner, and if a dog attacks somebody then it's GBH. If it kills somebody, then its a manslaughter/murder charge. It won't take many "normal" people going to jail for 20 years to make people think twice before buying that cute puppy or that status dog.

Was speaking to a lady about two weeks ago , she was attacked by a Doberman on a long lead she got bit on the arm & then it got her on the floor and bit her side . It had previously attacked other people

hollywoodrox · September 2023

All dogs are wild beasts & could at any moment revert to their true nature , they may have a toothache , arthritis, be pissed off,or hurt by a kid mauling them , they really need to be owned by responsible people

digitalscream · September 2023

hollywoodrox said:

All dogs are wild beasts & could at any moment revert to their true nature , they may have a toothache , arthritis, be pissed off,or hurt by a kid mauling them , they really need to be owned by responsible people

That part isn't true - they're domesticated animals, quite different from wild animals; that's why their behaviour is significantly different from that of wolves.

The rest, however, is spot on; a major mistake that many make is assuming that dogs will react to external stimuli based on human perceptions and socialisation, or that they can be trained to do so. The most you can really expect is to be able to train your dogs to trust you to determine the correct course of action, but every dog will have its own threshold beyond which it feels it has no choice but to act. The trick is to know where that line is for our dogs, and do everything we can to keep them well below it (for their own sake, as well as everyone else's).

Offset · September 2023

octatonic said:

I have owned large breeds- Bulldog, Boxer/American Bulldog cross and currently have a Bernese Mountain Dog (Holly).
The latter is a total sweetheart. She is still a big dog with the ability to cause actual harm in the wrong circumstances.

One day my wife was walking her off lead in the woods (we live in rural Oxon) and Holly turned and ran at a chicken that had got out of its pen.
She picked it up in her mouth and injured it so much that it had to be killed- she didn't do this intentionally, she is just a big dog with big teefs. She was young at the time and was just 'playing'.

Janet was mortified and we compensated the owner but you just have to be aware of what a dog can do and what they are designed to do, really.
Never alone with children, never off leash in places where it could be a problem.

I agree with this. Never forget what harm a big dog can do. And never forgot that some people who don't know your mutt will be shit-scared of it. As I said earlier, we love our old mutt but we never entirely trust her with other dogs or some people - and NEVER with small children. She's still a gorgeous old thing though but as an owner, you just need to be on your toes.

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Offset · September 2023

Dr_Necessiter said:

What's the problem, the hyenas are muzzled?

It's the baboon I was worried about.

Axe_meister · September 2023

Even with our two little mutts (Beagle and a Jack Russel/Dachshund cross), You have to read other peoples and dogs body language. (A good dog owner can read dog body language)
Even the biggest scariest looking man can be shit scared of a little dog. All they say is a bunch of walking fangs.
So far after 12 years, we have had nothing but the usual puppy play bites. But the cross can be a bit sweary when certain dogs approach (never found the pattern), so we take the dogs out of potential harm either for them or the other party.

Chalky · September 2023

One of my dogs back in the 90s was a rough collie, beautiful dog, soft as a brush with my young kids, confident with strangers, who were more likely to be licked to death than barked at.

Then when he was 5 years old he started going after wood pigeons in our back garden. Ignored blackbirds, sparrows, etc. Garden was big but if he saw a wood pigeon land down the bottom he would sprint at them, full tilt for the 50 yards or more. Then one day he'd obviously caught one and half eaten it (sadly it was still alive).

Then we visited family who had a few acres. Some mallards were near a natural pond there. He crawled up to them on his belly, leopard style, very slowly, over a long distance. We were chatting and half watching, thinking the ducks would fly off anytime now. Suddenly he caught one by the base of its neck. I ran over, shouting at him to drop it, which he did as I got near. The duck was a bit stunned and just sat on the ground. The dog came back to me fine.

Other than that he was fine for another year or so, but then we noticed he seemed to be trying to escape the back garden. He'd get caught in the hedgerows and brambles next to the fencing. One night, I went to call him in and after a torchlight search realised he'd gone. Went searching with the aid of the local copper who called to say he'd found him a mile away, killed by a car.

No idea why his behaviour changed, but no shortage of theories from other dog owners (brain tumour, schizophrenia, wanted to find a mate, etc). He never hurt anyone but my point is that despite always following his training, he developed an unusual behaviour later in his life for no apparent reason. Animals always have an element of unpredictability.

rhinofeet · September 2023

I've been bitten by dogs twice, once by a nutter's alsatian when walking down the street and the second time by a handbag sized westie when pushing my dad's car in the snow. I've got scars but nothing serious. Both times I had my back turned. These big dangerous dogs are so commonplace I'm on alert whenever I am out with my son. He was on my shoulders twice at the weekend to keep him away from bullys. I can't be the only one that is scared of other people's pets- something has to change.

Penn · September 2023

I was out walking the dog the other day, he’s 18 month old and walks next to my foot. Doesn’t go more that a couple of feet from me. I’ve been training him hard as I can to just focus on me when we’re out and nothing else. I want to be 100% in control of him.

As we were walking down the riverside a child of about 6/7 dived out of a side path. I went to put the dog on the lead. I always put him back on when there’s children about. Anyway the rogue child started trying to grab the dog. I’m trying to say to him don’t grab the dog. The dog was scared. The dog didn’t want to be charged at and grabbed. Literally this little terror is trying to grab him by the back legs and chasing him. The dog starts running away. Luckily the child fell over. I grabbed the dog and walked briskly away. The child was with a family of about 6 other people. They didn’t say a word to him, try to call him back, stop him or anything.

It’s lucky my dogs good natured. He could still give a nasty little nip if he wanted. I’m not sure they’d have grabbed a bully XL but I’m pretty sure if they did it wouldn’t have ended the same.

He’s also recently taken possession of a travel pillow and is carrying it around like this.

WezV · September 2023

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DrCornelius · September 2023

Penn said:

I was out walking the dog the other day, he’s 18 month old and walks next to my foot. Doesn’t go more that a couple of feet from me. I’ve been training him hard as I can to just focus on me when we’re out and nothing else. I want to be 100% in control of him.

As we were walking down the riverside a child of about 6/7 dived out of a side path. I went to put the dog on the lead. I always put him back on when there’s children about. Anyway the rogue child started trying to grab the dog. I’m trying to say to him don’t grab the dog. The dog was scared. The dog didn’t want to be charged at and grabbed. Literally this little terror is trying to grab him by the back legs and chasing him. The dog starts running away. Luckily the child fell over. I grabbed the dog and walked briskly away. The child was with a family of about 6 other people. They didn’t say a word to him, try to call him back, stop him or anything.

It’s lucky my dogs good natured. He could still give a nasty little nip if he wanted. I’m not sure they’d have grabbed a bully XL but I’m pretty sure if they did it wouldn’t have ended the same.

He’s also recently taken possession of a travel pillow and is carrying it around like this.

What a handsome fellow !

BillDL · September 2023

The last time I had my old Mum out for a run on a nice day we stopped at a man-made loch / lake where there is a car park next to a shingle beach. Althouth there are prominent signs telling people to keep dogs on leads and not to let them crap everywhere, there are always the scumbag families that lie basking their walrus bodies on the grass and allow their dogs to roam everywhere shitting and chasing kids. On this occasion Wayne, Waynetta and their scruffy kids threw bread into the water to encourage the ducks and swans, then actively encouraged their two terrier type dogs to dive into the water and chase the birds. One caught a duck and started shaking it, to which the swans ganged together and had a right good peck at the dogs, allowing the duck to escape. Wayne Slobb jumps into the shallow water and starts kicking the swan that was obviously leading the defence. A workie in a Hi-Viz that had been having a break in his van had obviously seen enough. He ran to the water's edge, decked the fat bastard on the jaw causing him to fall into the water and then pushed Waynetta over into the water as she lumbered lunged at him. He received whoops and cheers, but I would bet that he was probably charged with assault. The vast majority of dog owners are responsible and thoughtful, but slobs like that will never change.

Sporky · September 2023

Sprocket tried to catch a duck once, but hadn't appreciated that ducks float and these ones were on water. I like to think she realised her mistake mid-air.

It's quite tricky getting a particularly dim sheepdog out of a canal.

DefaultM · September 2023

Penn said:

The child was with a family of about 6 other people. They didn’t say a word to him, try to call him back, stop him or anything.

They won't do, nothing could possibly happen to their child until it does and they're screaming at you.

I picked my daughter up from Rainbows on Monday, and all the parents have to wait on some very steep stairs for the last 5 minutes while the kids sing their song and say bye. One woman has got what looks like a 3 year old and she's just letting him play on the stairs right near the top while she browses her phone. Not holding his hand or even looking at him, and not in a position she'd be able to reach him if he fell.
He lays down along one of the stairs and I thought he was going to roll down them or something daft so I'm waiting there to catch him while she doesn't give 2 shits. If he fell she'd have been saying it's Rainbows fault for having stairs.

Offset · September 2023

BillDL said:

The last time I had my old Mum out for a run on a nice day we stopped at a man-made loch / lake where there is a car park next to a shingle beach. Althouth there are prominent signs telling people to keep dogs on leads and not to let them crap everywhere, there are always the scumbag families that lie basking their walrus bodies on the grass and allow their dogs to roam everywhere shitting and chasing kids. On this occasion Wayne, Waynetta and their scruffy kids threw bread into the water to encourage the ducks and swans, then actively encouraged their two terrier type dogs to dive into the water and chase the birds. One caught a duck and started shaking it, to which the swans ganged together and had a right good peck at the dogs, allowing the duck to escape. Wayne Slobb jumps into the shallow water and starts kicking the swan that was obviously leading the defence. A workie in a Hi-Viz that had been having a break in his van had obviously seen enough. He ran to the water's edge, decked the fat bastard on the jaw causing him to fall into the water and then pushed Waynetta over into the water as she lumbered lunged at him. He received whoops and cheers, but I would bet that he was probably charged with assault. The vast majority of dog owners are responsible and thoughtful, but slobs like that will never change.

I fucking hate people like that - they're a walking advert for involuntary sterilisation. I'd have given Mr Hi-Viz a medal and a case of beer.

CavemanGrogg · September 2023

Breed Specific Legislation is neither worth the hot air that the politicians spewed debating it, the time spent debating it in parliament, nor the paper that was wasted writing it. For a start the law that people in this thread are talking about only mentions 4 so called breeds of ''demon dogs'' that are banned in the UK - American Pit Bull Terriers, Japanese Tosas, Dogo Argentinos and Fila Brasileiros, when in fact there are actually dozens of different breeds that are ''banned'' - just look at wolf dogs* first generation is banned but second generation and later are not, except they're not really banned, read the legislation and you can see there are a shit load of loop holes and legal work arounds so that all these breeds can be legally bought, sold, and bred in the UK, as long as you get a license, and that is extremely easy to get - I own two demon breeds of dogs that are technically banned but I have a license to own them though not breed them so they have been snipped, and just using common sense it's extremely easy to keep these licenses - muzzle the dog in public, never let it off the leash in public, and display dangerous dog signs around your property. Hell you can actually still legally dock dog tails and clip their ears still in the UK, which I personally find to be both disgusting and evil - though only special breeders are allowed to do this and these are breeders who primarily breed working dogs for working and only sell the ones who don't cut it as a working dog to the general public and the fast majority of the dogs they breed must be sold to work if not the breeders loose their special license that allows them to legally dock tails and clip ears.

When charities such as the RSPCA, SSPCA, and Battersea Dog Home, and in fact every animal/pet rescue/charity are against Breed Specific Legislation, that should scream very loudly to not just the politicians, but also the general public - you know the very people who support these charities via either financial donations or donating their time, that Breed Specific Legislation simply doesn't work, nor is enforceable in a consistent manner, for example they don't run DNA tests to determine a dog's breed, but rather they measure the dog, and those measurements determines what breed the dog is via various, as in more the one of these rations of measurements - and it's not just the width vs length of the skull but also height vs width vs length vs weight vs strength, in other words it's extremely inaccurate, so much so that ''leggy Staffies'' - tall Staffies which is a legal breed to own in the UK with no licensing requirements, have be put down/destroyed because they don't meet the Crofts breed standard for a Staffie, and are closer to the standard Crofts expect for an American Pit Bull Terrier. And lets face reality here, Crofts are not exactly world renowned for caring about animals or animal wellfare, in fact just about every animal/pet/dog/cat charity/rescue/shelter, and even vets have tried to shut Crofts down, and managed to have their rules and standards changed multiple times in the name of animal well fare, and people here are really ok with Crofts setting the standards to decide a dogs fate?

How do people feel about adding Spaniels to the list of banned breeds, after all they do suffer from a medical condition as they age called ''corker rage''

*A first generation wolf dog is the offspring of a wolf and dog mating, a second generation wolf dog is a puppy from the mating of a wolf and a dog, mated to another dog, so they are two thirds dog and one third wolf, basically more dog than wolf.

Penn · September 2023

DrCornelius said:

Penn said:

I was out walking the dog the other day, he’s 18 month old and walks next to my foot. Doesn’t go more that a couple of feet from me. I’ve been training him hard as I can to just focus on me when we’re out and nothing else. I want to be 100% in control of him.

As we were walking down the riverside a child of about 6/7 dived out of a side path. I went to put the dog on the lead. I always put him back on when there’s children about. Anyway the rogue child started trying to grab the dog. I’m trying to say to him don’t grab the dog. The dog was scared. The dog didn’t want to be charged at and grabbed. Literally this little terror is trying to grab him by the back legs and chasing him. The dog starts running away. Luckily the child fell over. I grabbed the dog and walked briskly away. The child was with a family of about 6 other people. They didn’t say a word to him, try to call him back, stop him or anything.

It’s lucky my dogs good natured. He could still give a nasty little nip if he wanted. I’m not sure they’d have grabbed a bully XL but I’m pretty sure if they did it wouldn’t have ended the same.

He’s also recently taken possession of a travel pillow and is carrying it around like this.

What a handsome fellow !

Thanks @DrCornelius. Off off topic I know but I hope Stan is doing well.

Penn · September 2023

CavemanGrogg said:

Breed Specific Legislation is neither worth the hot air that the politicians spewed debating it, the time spent debating it in parliament, nor the paper that was wasted writing it. For a start the law that people in this thread are talking about only mentions 4 so called breeds of ''demon dogs'' that are banned in the UK - American Pit Bull Terriers, Japanese Tosas, Dogo Argentinos and Fila Brasileiros, when in fact there are actually dozens of different breeds that are ''banned'' - just look at wolf dogs* first generation is banned but second generation and later are not, except they're not really banned, read the legislation and you can see there are a shit load of loop holes and legal work arounds so that all these breeds can be legally bought, sold, and bred in the UK, as long as you get a license, and that is extremely easy to get - I own two demon breeds of dogs that are technically banned but I have a license to own them though not breed them so they have been snipped, and just using common sense it's extremely easy to keep these licenses - muzzle the dog in public, never let it off the leash in public, and display dangerous dog signs around your property. Hell you can actually still legally dock dog tails and clip their ears still in the UK, which I personally find to be both disgusting and evil - though only special breeders are allowed to do this and these are breeders who primarily breed working dogs for working and only sell the ones who don't cut it as a working dog to the general public and the fast majority of the dogs they breed must be sold to work if not the breeders loose their special license that allows them to legally dock tails and clip ears.

When charities such as the RSPCA, SSPCA, and Battersea Dog Home, and in fact every animal/pet rescue/charity are against Breed Specific Legislation, that should scream very loudly to not just the politicians, but also the general public - you know the very people who support these charities via either financial donations or donating their time, that Breed Specific Legislation simply doesn't work, nor is enforceable in a consistent manner, for example they don't run DNA tests to determine a dog's breed, but rather they measure the dog, and those measurements determines what breed the dog is via various, as in more the one of these rations of measurements - and it's not just the width vs length of the skull but also height vs width vs length vs weight vs strength, in other words it's extremely inaccurate, so much so that ''leggy Staffies'' - tall Staffies which is a legal breed to own in the UK with no licensing requirements, have be put down/destroyed because they don't meet the Crofts breed standard for a Staffie, and are closer to the standard Crofts expect for an American Pit Bull Terrier. And lets face reality here, Crofts are not exactly world renowned for caring about animals or animal wellfare, in fact just about every animal/pet/dog/cat charity/rescue/shelter, and even vets have tried to shut Crofts down, and managed to have their rules and standards changed multiple times in the name of animal well fare, and people here are really ok with Crofts setting the standards to decide a dogs fate?

How do people feel about adding Spaniels to the list of banned breeds, after all they do suffer from a medical condition as they age called ''corker rage''

*A first generation wolf dog is the offspring of a wolf and dog mating, a second generation wolf dog is a puppy from the mating of a wolf and a dog, mated to another dog, so they are two thirds dog and one third wolf, basically more dog than wolf.

So you’re for more Bully XL?

CavemanGrogg · September 2023

Penn said:

CavemanGrogg said:

Breed Specific Legislation is neither worth the hot air that the politicians spewed debating it, the time spent debating it in parliament, nor the paper that was wasted writing it. For a start the law that people in this thread are talking about only mentions 4 so called breeds of ''demon dogs'' that are banned in the UK - American Pit Bull Terriers, Japanese Tosas, Dogo Argentinos and Fila Brasileiros, when in fact there are actually dozens of different breeds that are ''banned'' - just look at wolf dogs* first generation is banned but second generation and later are not, except they're not really banned, read the legislation and you can see there are a shit load of loop holes and legal work arounds so that all these breeds can be legally bought, sold, and bred in the UK, as long as you get a license, and that is extremely easy to get - I own two demon breeds of dogs that are technically banned but I have a license to own them though not breed them so they have been snipped, and just using common sense it's extremely easy to keep these licenses - muzzle the dog in public, never let it off the leash in public, and display dangerous dog signs around your property. Hell you can actually still legally dock dog tails and clip their ears still in the UK, which I personally find to be both disgusting and evil - though only special breeders are allowed to do this and these are breeders who primarily breed working dogs for working and only sell the ones who don't cut it as a working dog to the general public and the fast majority of the dogs they breed must be sold to work if not the breeders loose their special license that allows them to legally dock tails and clip ears.

When charities such as the RSPCA, SSPCA, and Battersea Dog Home, and in fact every animal/pet rescue/charity are against Breed Specific Legislation, that should scream very loudly to not just the politicians, but also the general public - you know the very people who support these charities via either financial donations or donating their time, that Breed Specific Legislation simply doesn't work, nor is enforceable in a consistent manner, for example they don't run DNA tests to determine a dog's breed, but rather they measure the dog, and those measurements determines what breed the dog is via various, as in more the one of these rations of measurements - and it's not just the width vs length of the skull but also height vs width vs length vs weight vs strength, in other words it's extremely inaccurate, so much so that ''leggy Staffies'' - tall Staffies which is a legal breed to own in the UK with no licensing requirements, have be put down/destroyed because they don't meet the Crofts breed standard for a Staffie, and are closer to the standard Crofts expect for an American Pit Bull Terrier. And lets face reality here, Crofts are not exactly world renowned for caring about animals or animal wellfare, in fact just about every animal/pet/dog/cat charity/rescue/shelter, and even vets have tried to shut Crofts down, and managed to have their rules and standards changed multiple times in the name of animal well fare, and people here are really ok with Crofts setting the standards to decide a dogs fate?

How do people feel about adding Spaniels to the list of banned breeds, after all they do suffer from a medical condition as they age called ''corker rage''

*A first generation wolf dog is the offspring of a wolf and dog mating, a second generation wolf dog is a puppy from the mating of a wolf and a dog, mated to another dog, so they are two thirds dog and one third wolf, basically more dog than wolf.

So you’re for more Bully XL?

I'm against banning any dog based off of it's breed, especially when the breed of the dog is determined via a means designed by a company famous for cruelty and causing suffering to dogs, two border collies from the same litter can very easily be vastly different in size and appearance, just look at the runt in any litter, and the ''greedy one'', both the same breed, same linage, yet have vastly different measurements and therefore size, and strength to size ratios.

Pedigree is nothing but a rich mans word for ''working dog'', look at the history of any pedigree, from chihuahuas to poodles, these breeds where bred to preform a specific task, ie work, for chihuahuas that is vermin and pest control, for poodles,they're gun dogs, specifically for shooting water fowl.

Kittyfrisk · September 2023

^ Not so sure about "poodles,they're gun dogs, specifically for shooting water fowl."
I like standard poodles & think they make great retrievers, particularly in waterlands, but even they would admit they are lousy shots...

CavemanGrogg · September 2023

Kittyfrisk said:

^ Not so sure about "poodles,they're gun dogs, specifically for shooting water fowl."
I like standard poodles & think they make great retrievers, particularly in waterlands, but even they would admit they are lousy shots...

That's what the standard poodle was originally bred for, to retrieve shot water fowl. I know a few people who breed them for exactly this, and know people who use them as gun dogs, much better than a retriever especially when the dog is expected to get wet often and for long periods of time.

Kittyfrisk · September 2023

:o3

yocky · September 2023

CavemanGrogg said:

Penn said:
So you’re for more Bully XL?

I'm against banning any dog based off of it's breed,

You're right. Maybe it would be more effective to pay for therapy to address whatever is lacking in the owner's life to require the presence of a huge powerful dog, and why they feel entitled to inflict the increased risks on the neighbouring population.

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