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Lestratcaster · September 2023

TTony said:

Lestratcaster said:

Havertz belongs further up the attacking line

But he'll miss more up there ....

Haha couldn't believe that mis-kick yesterday. Just put him on the bench instead, he's taking the place of someone who can play in midfield better.

RaymondLin · September 2023

I would love it if they play Havertz over Jesus up front.

Lestratcaster · September 2023

RaymondLin said:

I would love it if they play Havertz over Jesus up front.

He probably will in the next game, or at left back!

TTony · September 2023

Spurs are winning this transfer window.

Previous contender for #1 - James Maddison for £30m (net).
New entry, straight in at undisputed #1 slot - Ndombelazygit is off to Galatasary.

Unfortunately it's only a loan, but at least he'll be out of sight, out of mind for another season.

RobDavies · September 2023

Had a lovely trip to Newport in the Carabou cup last week. A fantastic reminder of how far Brentford have come in such a relatively short space of time. Ground no.126 for me. Friendly locals, cheap beer and a huge fry up in the hotel the following morning.

I love away days.

bloodandtears · September 2023

@TTony we can celebrate, both Sanchez and NDombele are out the door.. I had forgotten just how expensive the former was... two club record signings... neither lit the club up.

RaymondLin · September 2023

Sanchez cost more than Maddison...

guitars4you · September 2023

RobDavies said:

Had a lovely trip to Newport in the Carabou cup last week. A fantastic reminder of how far Brentford have come in such a relatively short space of time. Ground no.126 for me. Friendly locals, cheap beer and a huge fry up in the hotel the following morning.

I love away days.

Wow - That is some going - 126 grounds - I'll be in to double digits, but nothing like that

TTony · September 2023

bloodandtears said:

we can celebrate, both Sanchez and NDombele are out the door.. I had forgotten just how expensive the former was... two club record signings... neither lit the club up.

I always felt that there was a good defender somewhere in Sanchez.

Yes, he made mistakes and was inconsistent, but then he never seemed to have a decent run of games (and CB partners) in which he could establish himself, build his confidence and settle into the team.

I’d have kept him rather than Dier as I think Sanchez under-achieved (so there was potential for the manager to tease out) whereas Dier on a good day was over-achieving and likely to revert to his natural level sooner or later.

But, yes, we don’t spend money well. I fear Richarlison will be added to that list. He’s got 5-10 games left to find his scoring boots … I can see him going in January.

RaymondLin · September 2023

TTony said:

bloodandtears said:

we can celebrate, both Sanchez and NDombele are out the door.. I had forgotten just how expensive the former was... two club record signings... neither lit the club up.

I always felt that there was a good defender somewhere in Sanchez.

Yes, he made mistakes and was inconsistent, but then he never seemed to have a decent run of games (and CB partners) in which he could establish himself, build his confidence and settle into the team.

I’d have kept him rather than Dier as I think Sanchez under-achieved (so there was potential for the manager to tease out) whereas Dier on a good day was over-achieving and likely to revert to his natural level sooner or later.

But, yes, we don’t spend money well. I fear Richarlison will be added to that list. He’s got 5-10 games left to find his scoring boots … I can see him going in January.

I think Richarlison will only have 1 more shot, either if Son stops scoring or is injured. He is unlikely to be rotated out since Spurs are not in Europe and the FA Cup doesn't start until the new year.

With Brendan Johnson in the team now, who can play in the same position as well...Richarlison seems to be a surplus.

There is a very good player in there, Ancelotti said he could win the Ballon d'Or when he coached him, he is Brazil's No.9, so arguably there is no bigger pressure than that role in the world.

bloodandtears · September 2023

TTony said:

bloodandtears said:

we can celebrate, both Sanchez and NDombele are out the door.. I had forgotten just how expensive the former was... two club record signings... neither lit the club up.

I always felt that there was a good defender somewhere in Sanchez.

Yes, he made mistakes and was inconsistent, but then he never seemed to have a decent run of games (and CB partners) in which he could establish himself, build his confidence and settle into the team.

I’d have kept him rather than Dier as I think Sanchez under-achieved (so there was potential for the manager to tease out) whereas Dier on a good day was over-achieving and likely to revert to his natural level sooner or later.

But, yes, we don’t spend money well. I fear Richarlison will be added to that list. He’s got 5-10 games left to find his scoring boots … I can see him going in January.

Sanchez had 200 plus games.. he lacked quality and consistency.. I'd say he most definitely had his chance...

I hear you about Richarlison.. and our purchasing in general.. some real money wasted over the years...

scrumhalf · September 2023

Sanchez was one of those defenders who played well if paired with a solid, reliable centre-back partner.

Michael Dawson playing alongside Ledley King was such a player. If he was the senior centre-back he was nowhere near as good.

As for N'Donkey, the kick he needed up his arse would be enough to break his spine. So much talent, so little effort and application.

victorludorum · September 2023

Ndombele's only a loan it seems.

A question for Man U fans: what's the feeling about Ten Hag? The criticism seems to be fairly well aimed at The Glazers, but is Ten Hag good enough or is he just another overrated foreign coach?

bloodandtears · September 2023

victorludorum said:

Ndombele's only a loan it seems.

Compulsory purchase based on performance.. (so yeah probably be coming back like a boomerang)

Lloris is funny one, not sure what he expects at his age.. turned down a number of options... if he's not gonna be listed in the Squad, cancel his contract now..

joneve · September 2023

RaymondLin said:

TTony said:

bloodandtears said:

we can celebrate, both Sanchez and NDombele are out the door.. I had forgotten just how expensive the former was... two club record signings... neither lit the club up.

I always felt that there was a good defender somewhere in Sanchez.

Yes, he made mistakes and was inconsistent, but then he never seemed to have a decent run of games (and CB partners) in which he could establish himself, build his confidence and settle into the team.

I’d have kept him rather than Dier as I think Sanchez under-achieved (so there was potential for the manager to tease out) whereas Dier on a good day was over-achieving and likely to revert to his natural level sooner or later.

But, yes, we don’t spend money well. I fear Richarlison will be added to that list. He’s got 5-10 games left to find his scoring boots … I can see him going in January.

I think Richarlison will only have 1 more shot, either if Son stops scoring or is injured. He is unlikely to be rotated out since Spurs are not in Europe and the FA Cup doesn't start until the new year.

With Brendan Johnson in the team now, who can play in the same position as well...Richarlison seems to be a surplus.

There is a very good player in there, Ancelotti said he could win the Ballon d'Or when he coached him, he is Brazil's No.9, so arguably there is no bigger pressure than that role in the world.

*Brennan. Don't disrespect the Star Boy like that.

TeleMaster · September 2023

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66714875

This guy... Just own it you melt. You went for the money, stop this bollocks.

RaymondLin · September 2023

TeleMaster said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66714875

This guy... Just own it you melt. You went for the money, stop this bollocks.

When i read that earlier I mumbled out loud...."Hurt? Your feelings? I bet all those zeros helped quite a bit."

TTony · September 2023

TeleMaster said:

This guy... Just own it you melt. You went for the money, stop this bollocks.

Completely agree. Just STFU and keep on counting your money. It’ll keep you busy longer than counting your principles.

S56035 · September 2023

TeleMaster said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66714875

This guy... Just own it you melt. You went for the money, stop this bollocks.

As a Liverpool fan of 40 years and a *big fan of Henderson as person I couldn't agree with you more.

*Previously

Philly_Q · September 2023

I think we all have the same reaction to Henderson. I don't know why he's spoken out, he's said nothing at all which justifies the choice he's made. And the comment about not wanting to offend his hosts' religious sensibilities... Just shut up, Jordan.

axisus · September 2023

Jordan is coming off as a tool. A rich tool. I'd settle for that.

Teetonetal · September 2023

TeleMaster said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66714875

This guy... Just own it you melt. You went for the money, stop this bollocks.

Classic case of someone wanting to support a cause, but not understanding that to do that properly you might have to turn down opportunities that don't agree with your cause.

To be pro LGTBQ+ more or less makes you anti religion.

Philly_Q · September 2023

axisus said:

Jordan is coming off as a tool. A rich tool. I'd settle for that.

You'd settle for that yourself, or for him?

axisus · September 2023

Philly_Q said:

axisus said:

Jordan is coming off as a tool. A rich tool. I'd settle for that.

You'd settle for that yourself, or for him?

I don't give a rats arse about Jordan, but I will happily betray my ideals for anything over £100.

Philly_Q · September 2023

On a serious note, call me naive but I genuinely can't understand footballers and their never-ending greed for money.

I know there's the old "short career, long time retired" argument, but that's a throwback to the days when footballers retired on £100 a week and became builders or pub landlords. A top player today can not only make all the money they'll ever need in that "short career", but someone like Henderson, in particular, has decades ahead of him as a well-paid coach or pundit.

And those situations where a top player falls out of favour at their club, but we're told the club can't sell him, although there's interest, because "no one can afford his wages". Well if he wants to play, why the fuck can't he take a pay cut? From "stratospherically well-paid" to "extraordinarily well-paid"? I honestly don't get it.

I do realise that we have to factor in greedy agents so it's not just the players, but even so.

UnclePsychosis · September 2023

axisus said:

Jordan is coming off as a tool. A rich tool. I'd settle for that.

https://twitter.com/jackwhitehall/status/1699020543528169820

axisus · September 2023

Philly_Q said:

On a serious note, call me naive but I genuinely can't understand footballers and their never-ending greed for money.

I know there's the old "short career, long time retired" argument, but that's a throwback to the days when footballers retired on £100 a week and became builders or pub landlords. A top player today can not only make all the money they'll ever need in that "short career", but someone like Henderson, in particular, has decades ahead of him as a well-paid coach or pundit.

And those situations where a top player falls out of favour at their club, but we're told the club can't sell him, although there's interest, because "no one can afford his wages". Well if he wants to play, why the fuck can't he take a pay cut? From "stratospherically well-paid" to "extraordinarily well-paid"? I honestly don't get it.

I do realise that we have to factor in greedy agents so it's not just the players, but even so.

100% my thoughts! It really winds me up when pundits come out with that 'short career' bollocks these days. To be honest I admired Beckham, who I believe gave away ALL his PSG wages to a local charity. THAT's what footballers should be about these days!

joneve · September 2023

Philly_Q said:

On a serious note, call me naive but I genuinely can't understand footballers and their never-ending greed for money.

I know there's the old "short career, long time retired" argument, but that's a throwback to the days when footballers retired on £100 a week and became builders or pub landlords. A top player today can not only make all the money they'll ever need in that "short career", but someone like Henderson, in particular, has decades ahead of him as a well-paid coach or pundit.

And those situations where a top player falls out of favour at their club, but we're told the club can't sell him, although there's interest, because "no one can afford his wages". Well if he wants to play, why the fuck can't he take a pay cut? From "stratospherically well-paid" to "extraordinarily well-paid"? I honestly don't get it.

I do realise that we have to factor in greedy agents so it's not just the players, but even so.

Yea, this is 100% valid and much of the views I have

tony99 · September 2023

axisus said:

Philly_Q said:

On a serious note, call me naive but I genuinely can't understand footballers and their never-ending greed for money.

I know there's the old "short career, long time retired" argument, but that's a throwback to the days when footballers retired on £100 a week and became builders or pub landlords. A top player today can not only make all the money they'll ever need in that "short career", but someone like Henderson, in particular, has decades ahead of him as a well-paid coach or pundit.

And those situations where a top player falls out of favour at their club, but we're told the club can't sell him, although there's interest, because "no one can afford his wages". Well if he wants to play, why the fuck can't he take a pay cut? From "stratospherically well-paid" to "extraordinarily well-paid"? I honestly don't get it.

I do realise that we have to factor in greedy agents so it's not just the players, but even so.

100% my thoughts! It really winds me up when pundits come out with that 'short career' bollocks these days. To be honest I admired Beckham, who I believe gave away ALL his PSG wages to a local charity. THAT's what footballers should be about these days!

I admire Richarlison for similar; donates a percentage of his salary to a kids charity in Brazil. An absolute top fella he is.

TTony · September 2023

Philly_Q said:

On a serious note, call me naive but I genuinely can't understand footballers and their never-ending greed for money.

It's all relative, and all based on your own individual perspective, experience and expectations.

Henderson may well look at Ronaldo (or whoever) and think that Ronaldo is paid a ridiculous amount of money.
We look at Henderson (and the other top earning footballers) and think that they're paid a ridiculous amount of money.
We might also look at FTSE-100 CEOs and think that they earn a ridiculous amount of money.
Most of the people in small boats crossing the channel would look at us and think that we earn a ridiculous amount of money.

Footballers are just taking whatever they can get from their employers for doing their job, same as we do, same as most people do.

Their - and our - lifestyles soon grow into (and often beyond) our income to the point that we think that we couldn't possibly survive on any less. Whereas those people in the boats clearly have survived on a lot less, albeit with very different lifestyles.

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