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guitars4you · September 2023

Man City v Fulham
how did var get it wrong- wrong call - clearly the goalkeeper was distracted about the City player’dancing/jumping’ over the ball

RaymondLin · September 2023

guitars4you said:

Man City v Fulham
how did var get it wrong- wrong call - clearly the goalkeeper was distracted about the City player’dancing/jumping’ over the ball

I am in the camp that VAR got that one wrong. The other player was in the line of play, close enough to have touched the ball if he wanted to even if not within a mm variance of a straight line.

Rocker · September 2023

munckee said:

How the hell does Jordan Henderson get in the England squad and James Ward Prowse doesn't. I think Sterling should be in too.

As I have said before many times, an international football team manager must know how he wants ‘his’ team to play and he then selects the players who will slot in and play as he wants the team to play. A club team manager decides on ‘his’ teams tactics depending on the availability of fit players, the opposition and the upcoming games.

That is why some very inform players are ignored by the national team manager who favours a number of dependable but less flashy players in the team.

cruxiform · September 2023

guitars4you said:

Man City v Fulham
how did var get it wrong- wrong call - clearly the goalkeeper was distracted about the City player’dancing/jumping’ over the ball

VAR *checking club badge*.

guitars4you · September 2023

Looks like I’ve got the wrong match on Sky
Was expecting Arsenal v Man U - Looks like the Geordie boys are in town

mrkb · September 2023

guitars4you said:

Looks like I’ve got the wrong match on Sky
Was expecting Arsenal v Man U - Looks like the Geordie boys are in town

The Geordies lost yesterday , so perhaps the Saudi owners bought another match from the glaziers ?

guitars4you · September 2023

Rashford and that Eminem moment - one shot - one opportunity

scrumhalf · September 2023

Oh lord, Sky are using Peter DRURY who SHOUTS out the SURNAME of any PLAYER who takes a SHOT.

mrkb · September 2023

Wow what a finish!!! superb

CHRISB50 · September 2023

mrkb said:

Wow what a finish!!! superb

Enjoyed that one!

guitars4you · September 2023

Wow - what a game - Drama - 2 close calls inc a potential Man U winner and only a tad in it - Ref probably got the right call on the penalty review and credit to him - But I bet Arsenal fans think it was twice as nice when it was scored by Rice

Enjoyed the game

Lestratcaster · September 2023

Don't you just love being a football fan. What a match. Thought we'd lost it when Garnacho scored but it was chalked off and we nicked 2 goals at the end.

This is what happens when you play 4 actual defenders at the back, we win! So Partey missing today was a blessing as it meant he didn't have to play RB. Havertz shouldn't be in the team should, what is his role? He's a more attacking player but is taking up someone's place such as Vieira or Jorginho, both should have started today ahead of him.

RaymondLin · September 2023

Havertz is a passenger in the team. He slows everything down going forward. He doesn’t make runs, he doesn’t carry the ball, he just pass it backwards, usually from the person who just passed him the ball from the back.

Lestratcaster · September 2023

I don't like this thing where players aren't played in their correct positions. We saw with Xhaka when we tried to use him as a defensive midfielder it didn't work, only last season did we see the best of him when he was actually used in his best position which is a bit further forward.

Teetonetal · September 2023

RaymondLin said:

Havertz is a passenger in the team. He slows everything down going forward. He doesn’t make runs, he doesn’t carry the ball, he just pass it backwards, usually from the person who just passed him the ball from the back.

It's a bizarre signing - I wouldn't have really said he was particularly successful at Chelsea either and thought they did very well to move him on at such a fee.

I just cannot see why he is in the Arsenal Squad, let alone the team.

axisus · September 2023

Man U still sh*te. We buy cr*p players like Martial then stick with them for years and years. Years ago we'd have been in for Kane, Bellingham, Rice, now it's just a micky mouse club with mediocre ambition. Get those effin Glazers out and hopefully we can start again ...

RaymondLin · September 2023

Teetonetal said:

RaymondLin said:

Havertz is a passenger in the team. He slows everything down going forward. He doesn’t make runs, he doesn’t carry the ball, he just pass it backwards, usually from the person who just passed him the ball from the back.

It's a bizarre signing - I wouldn't have really said he was particularly successful at Chelsea either and thought they did very well to move him on at such a fee.

I just cannot see why he is in the Arsenal Squad, let alone the team.

All the while Smith-Rowe is sitting on the bench, is he even on the bench?

guitars4you · September 2023

axisus said:

Man U still sh*te. We buy cr*p players like Martial then stick with them for years and years. Years ago we'd have been in for Kane, Bellingham, Rice, now it's just a micky mouse club with mediocre ambition. Get those effin Glazers out and hopefully we can start again ...

Big chat on Sky yesterday about the Glazers - No news, as you know, regarding a potential buy out - Are they just going through the motions - What are they trying to achieve by staying and saying nothing - Bids in for around 5 billion, yet Man U effectively owes them only £250 mill of their own funds - So what is going on - Ground news improvement, as does training ground, so when/who is going to finance this -Do they think they'll get more in a year or two, for some reason

Far more questions than answers

See Sancho having a dig that he is being made a scapegoat - "I will not allow people saying things that is completely untrue, I have conducted myself very well in training this week.

"I believe there are other reasons for this matter that I won't go into, I've been a scapegoat for a long time which isn't fair!"

Maybe it is because your crap Jadon, not good enough for the Man U 1st team and certainly seriously over priced at 70 odd million - Have you thought about that

joneve · September 2023

First win at Stamford Bridge since 1995.

UP THE FUCKING REDS

Best weekend of Football to be a Forest fan that I can remember with United losing in injury time too. And Derby losing to Bolton thanks to an own goal from former Forest academy player Tyrese Fornah (on his debut no less

)

Topped off by a deadline day for the ages.

guitars4you · September 2023

joneve said:

First win at Stamford Bridge since 1995.

UP THE FUCKING REDS

Best weekend of Football to be a Forest fan that I can remember with United losing in injury time too. And Derby losing to Bolton thanks to an own goal from former Forest academy player Tyrese Fornah (on his debut no less )

Topped off by a deadline day for the ages.

The lad in my local coffee shop is a big Forest fan - And yes he was chuffed to bits today - Think Poch will have to suffer a few more such days before he hits the good times again - On the day they will be electric, but will be very inconsistent for a while, I believe - Yes a great result for you

joneve · September 2023

guitars4you said:

joneve said:

First win at Stamford Bridge since 1995.

UP THE FUCKING REDS

Best weekend of Football to be a Forest fan that I can remember with United losing in injury time too. And Derby losing to Bolton thanks to an own goal from former Forest academy player Tyrese Fornah (on his debut no less )

Topped off by a deadline day for the ages.

The lad in my local coffee shop is a big Forest fan - And yes he was chuffed to bits today - Think Poch will have to suffer a few more such days before he hits the good times again - On the day they will be electric, but will be very inconsistent for a while, I believe - Yes a great result for you

The most exciting thing is that, in theory, the best is yet to come. We've signed some REAL quality (on paper) this window. If we can get them bedded into the squad - our style of play could (and will, I Think) change drastically for the better, especially against lower half teams/at home.

TeleMaster · September 2023

guitars4you said:

axisus said:

Man U still sh*te. We buy cr*p players like Martial then stick with them for years and years. Years ago we'd have been in for Kane, Bellingham, Rice, now it's just a micky mouse club with mediocre ambition. Get those effin Glazers out and hopefully we can start again ...

Big chat on Sky yesterday about the Glazers - No news, as you know, regarding a potential buy out - Are they just going through the motions - What are they trying to achieve by staying and saying nothing - Bids in for around 5 billion, yet Man U effectively owes them only £250 mill of their own funds - So what is going on - Ground news improvement, as does training ground, so when/who is going to finance this -Do they think they'll get more in a year or two, for some reason

Far more questions than answers

See Sancho having a dig that he is being made a scapegoat - "I will not allow people saying things that is completely untrue, I have conducted myself very well in training this week.
"I believe there are other reasons for this matter that I won't go into, I've been a scapegoat for a long time which isn't fair!"
Maybe it is because your crap Jadon, not good enough for the Man U 1st team and certainly seriously over priced at 70 odd million - Have you thought about that

It's difficult. If someone just isn't good enough it also feels unfair to dig them out publicly. It's not really his fault how much Man Utd decided to pay for him either. Sometimes stuff is going on that is not visible to the public and like with Dele Ali, there can be more than meets the eye.

Sell the kid and let him continue his career at a club that is more at his level.

guitars4you · September 2023

joneve said:

guitars4you said:

joneve said:

First win at Stamford Bridge since 1995.

UP THE FUCKING REDS

Best weekend of Football to be a Forest fan that I can remember with United losing in injury time too. And Derby losing to Bolton thanks to an own goal from former Forest academy player Tyrese Fornah (on his debut no less )

Topped off by a deadline day for the ages.

The lad in my local coffee shop is a big Forest fan - And yes he was chuffed to bits today - Think Poch will have to suffer a few more such days before he hits the good times again - On the day they will be electric, but will be very inconsistent for a while, I believe - Yes a great result for you

The most exciting thing is that, in theory, the best is yet to come. We've signed some REAL quality (on paper) this window. If we can get them bedded into the squad - our style of play could (and will, I Think) change drastically for the better, especially against lower half teams/at home.

With the greatest of respect, for 1/2 the PL clubs, that is the battle - To be the top of the rest - You have the 6/7 Elite clubs - Then Brighton, Brentford and should be West Ham as part of the top 10 - The rest and you have that relegation zone battle - So 9 matches x 2 for home/away so 18 matches against the competition - So 2 points a game should be min - Then add the odd point from other games - Simple theory - As you know a win v Chelsea is a big bonus, both points acquired and confidence - Sod law then says you'll loose to Wolves at home

joneve · September 2023

guitars4you said:

joneve said:

guitars4you said:

joneve said:

First win at Stamford Bridge since 1995.

UP THE FUCKING REDS

Best weekend of Football to be a Forest fan that I can remember with United losing in injury time too. And Derby losing to Bolton thanks to an own goal from former Forest academy player Tyrese Fornah (on his debut no less )

Topped off by a deadline day for the ages.

The lad in my local coffee shop is a big Forest fan - And yes he was chuffed to bits today - Think Poch will have to suffer a few more such days before he hits the good times again - On the day they will be electric, but will be very inconsistent for a while, I believe - Yes a great result for you

The most exciting thing is that, in theory, the best is yet to come. We've signed some REAL quality (on paper) this window. If we can get them bedded into the squad - our style of play could (and will, I Think) change drastically for the better, especially against lower half teams/at home.

With the greatest of respect, for 1/2 the PL clubs, that is the battle - To be the top of the rest - You have the 6/7 Elite clubs - Then Brighton, Brentford and should be West Ham as part of the top 10 - The rest and you have that relegation zone battle - So 9 matches x 2 for home/away so 18 matches against the competition - So 2 points a game should be min - Then add the odd point from other games - Simple theory - As you know a win v Chelsea is a big bonus, both points acquired and confidence - Sod law then says you'll loose to Wolves at home

Oh of course - I'm not saying we're all of a sudden elite. But for teams that aren't in that elite, we should be "giving it a go" and not parking the bus/low block like we've basically done for 7 months and relying on the counter attack. Against the Burnleys, Luton's etc at home, we should be trying to go at them now we have the personnel to do so.

guitars4you · September 2023

joneve said:y you

guitars4you said:

joneve said:

guitars4you said:

joneve said:

First win at Stamford Bridge since 1995.

UP THE FUCKING REDS

Best weekend of Football to be a Forest fan that I can remember with United losing in injury time too. And Derby losing to Bolton thanks to an own goal from former Forest academy player Tyrese Fornah (on his debut no less )

Topped off by a deadline day for the ages.

The lad in my local coffee shop is a big Forest fan - And yes he was chuffed to bits today - Think Poch will have to suffer a few more such days before he hits the good times again - On the day they will be electric, but will be very inconsistent for a while, I believe - Yes a great result for you

The most exciting thing is that, in theory, the best is yet to come. We've signed some REAL quality (on paper) this window. If we can get them bedded into the squad - our style of play could (and will, I Think) change drastically for the better, especially against lower half teams/at home.

With the greatest of respect, for 1/2 the PL clubs, that is the battle - To be the top of the rest - You have the 6/7 Elite clubs - Then Brighton, Brentford and should be West Ham as part of the top 10 - The rest and you have that relegation zone battle - So 9 matches x 2 for home/away so 18 matches against the competition - So 2 points a game should be min - Then add the odd point from other games - Simple theory - As you know a win v Chelsea is a big bonus, both points acquired and confidence - Sod law then says you'll loose to Wolves at home

Oh of course - I'm not saying we're all of a sudden elite. But for teams that aren't in that elite, we should be "giving it a go" and not parking the bus/low block like we've basically done for 7 months and relying on the counter attack. Against the Burnleys, Luton's etc at home, we should be trying to go at them now we have the personnel to do so.

Agree - please stay up to annoy the Rams fans if nothing else- Ensure Luton get more than 11 points - Brighton will now be seen as the model to adopt for the non elite clubs , and to a degree Brentford- But it will take 2/3 more years of work to get there - How long Brighton and Brentford can maintain such a healthy status will remain to be seen - For now both have had success on the pitch and with their financial position , especially buy low and unknown - Then sell high

joneve · September 2023

guitars4you said:

joneve said:y you

guitars4you said:

joneve said:

guitars4you said:

joneve said:

First win at Stamford Bridge since 1995.

UP THE FUCKING REDS

Best weekend of Football to be a Forest fan that I can remember with United losing in injury time too. And Derby losing to Bolton thanks to an own goal from former Forest academy player Tyrese Fornah (on his debut no less )

Topped off by a deadline day for the ages.

The lad in my local coffee shop is a big Forest fan - And yes he was chuffed to bits today - Think Poch will have to suffer a few more such days before he hits the good times again - On the day they will be electric, but will be very inconsistent for a while, I believe - Yes a great result for you

The most exciting thing is that, in theory, the best is yet to come. We've signed some REAL quality (on paper) this window. If we can get them bedded into the squad - our style of play could (and will, I Think) change drastically for the better, especially against lower half teams/at home.

With the greatest of respect, for 1/2 the PL clubs, that is the battle - To be the top of the rest - You have the 6/7 Elite clubs - Then Brighton, Brentford and should be West Ham as part of the top 10 - The rest and you have that relegation zone battle - So 9 matches x 2 for home/away so 18 matches against the competition - So 2 points a game should be min - Then add the odd point from other games - Simple theory - As you know a win v Chelsea is a big bonus, both points acquired and confidence - Sod law then says you'll loose to Wolves at home

Oh of course - I'm not saying we're all of a sudden elite. But for teams that aren't in that elite, we should be "giving it a go" and not parking the bus/low block like we've basically done for 7 months and relying on the counter attack. Against the Burnleys, Luton's etc at home, we should be trying to go at them now we have the personnel to do so.

Agree - please stay up to annoy the Rams fans if nothing else- Ensure Luton get more than 11 points - Brighton will now be seen as the model to adopt for the non elite clubs , and to a degree Brentford- But it will take 2/3 more years of work to get there - How long Brighton and Brentford can maintain such a healthy status will remain to be seen - For now both have had success on the pitch and with their financial position , especially buy low and unknown - Then sell high

I was very nervous about staying up last season. I've seen no reason so far this season to expect that we won't comfortably stay up. We are a couple of bad refereeing decisions and wonder goals from 12 points, which is a far cry from where we were at this time last season, essentially fighting for our lives.

axisus · September 2023

TeleMaster said:

guitars4you said:

axisus said:

Man U still sh*te. We buy cr*p players like Martial then stick with them for years and years. Years ago we'd have been in for Kane, Bellingham, Rice, now it's just a micky mouse club with mediocre ambition. Get those effin Glazers out and hopefully we can start again ...

Big chat on Sky yesterday about the Glazers - No news, as you know, regarding a potential buy out - Are they just going through the motions - What are they trying to achieve by staying and saying nothing - Bids in for around 5 billion, yet Man U effectively owes them only £250 mill of their own funds - So what is going on - Ground news improvement, as does training ground, so when/who is going to finance this -Do they think they'll get more in a year or two, for some reason

Far more questions than answers

See Sancho having a dig that he is being made a scapegoat - "I will not allow people saying things that is completely untrue, I have conducted myself very well in training this week.
"I believe there are other reasons for this matter that I won't go into, I've been a scapegoat for a long time which isn't fair!"
Maybe it is because your crap Jadon, not good enough for the Man U 1st team and certainly seriously over priced at 70 odd million - Have you thought about that

It's difficult. If someone just isn't good enough it also feels unfair to dig them out publicly. It's not really his fault how much Man Utd decided to pay for him either. Sometimes stuff is going on that is not visible to the public and like with Dele Ali, there can be more than meets the eye.

Sell the kid and let him continue his career at a club that is more at his level.

Personally I don't blame Sancho for anything. Yes, he has 'failed' so far at the club, but I have a lists of Man U failures over the years, sometimes for whatever reason things just don't work out. The problem at Man U isn't Sancho (directly), but it is recruitment generally.

The top 10 transfer fees ever paid in the Prems history - 4 of them were Man U players: Pogba, Maguire, Lukaku and more recently Antony. Not exactly a roll call of success. And outside of that, the Sanchez debacle comes to mind.

Man U right now remind me of the Fowler/McManaman era of Liverpool. That team looked pretty good and had some good players but were never going to be a league winning team.

guitars4you · September 2023

axisus said:

TeleMaster said:

guitars4you said:

axisus said:

Man U still sh*te. We buy cr*p players like Martial then stick with them for years and years. Years ago we'd have been in for Kane, Bellingham, Rice, now it's just a micky mouse club with mediocre ambition. Get those effin Glazers out and hopefully we can start again ...

Big chat on Sky yesterday about the Glazers - No news, as you know, regarding a potential buy out - Are they just going through the motions - What are they trying to achieve by staying and saying nothing - Bids in for around 5 billion, yet Man U effectively owes them only £250 mill of their own funds - So what is going on - Ground news improvement, as does training ground, so when/who is going to finance this -Do they think they'll get more in a year or two, for some reason

Far more questions than answers

See Sancho having a dig that he is being made a scapegoat - "I will not allow people saying things that is completely untrue, I have conducted myself very well in training this week.
"I believe there are other reasons for this matter that I won't go into, I've been a scapegoat for a long time which isn't fair!"
Maybe it is because your crap Jadon, not good enough for the Man U 1st team and certainly seriously over priced at 70 odd million - Have you thought about that

It's difficult. If someone just isn't good enough it also feels unfair to dig them out publicly. It's not really his fault how much Man Utd decided to pay for him either. Sometimes stuff is going on that is not visible to the public and like with Dele Ali, there can be more than meets the eye.

Sell the kid and let him continue his career at a club that is more at his level.

Personally I don't blame Sancho for anything. Yes, he has 'failed' so far at the club, but I have a lists of Man U failures over the years, sometimes for whatever reason things just don't work out. The problem at Man U isn't Sancho (directly), but it is recruitment generally.

The top 10 transfer fees ever paid in the Prems history - 4 of them were Man U players: Pogba, Maguire, Lukaku and more recently Antony. Not exactly a roll call of success. And outside of that, the Sanchez debacle comes to mind.

Man U right now remind me of the Fowler/McManaman era of Liverpool. That team looked pretty good and had some good players but were never going to be a league winning team.

I know where you are coming from, but at least Fowler and McManaman came thru' the back door as junior kids - Not a high transfer in thru' the front door

You are right about your comments ref Sancho and to be fair T Hag was not at the realms when the deal was done

Not sure if there is any good data, but will be interesting to see how much more 'wastage' there is in the PL, with its new riches, compared to pre PL - Plus how much more wastage there is amongst the elite v the rest - On that topic, Leeds purchased 6/7 players at the start of the previous PL season - 6/7 have now gone out on loan with I think only 1 confirmed sale - The same riff riff that helped to send us down, have jumped ship, with release clauses within their contracts - So no shortage of wastage amongst the relegation clan either

I'm sure there are many other good examples, but makes me smile now when you see that Revie built that great late 60's/early 70's side on a budget - Most where kids when they arrived with mainly transfer fees spent on Giles and Clarke - And how many played 500/600/700 games for the club - How many players now make 100/200 or even 300 appearances at their current club

Lestratcaster · September 2023

RaymondLin said:

Teetonetal said:

RaymondLin said:

Havertz is a passenger in the team. He slows everything down going forward. He doesn’t make runs, he doesn’t carry the ball, he just pass it backwards, usually from the person who just passed him the ball from the back.

It's a bizarre signing - I wouldn't have really said he was particularly successful at Chelsea either and thought they did very well to move him on at such a fee.

I just cannot see why he is in the Arsenal Squad, let alone the team.

All the while Smith-Rowe is sitting on the bench, is he even on the bench?

He's been on the bench for the last few games, just hasn't come on as Arteta favours Vieira. To be fair he's done well when he's come on, great pass for Jesus yesterday and 2 key contributions vs Fulham.

But ESR should get a go in that no.8 role, Havertz belongs further up the attacking line but I don't think is better than Martinelli or Saka.

TTony · September 2023

Lestratcaster said:

Havertz belongs further up the attacking line

But he'll miss more up there ....

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