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guitars4you · August 2023

mrkb said:

guitars4you said:

Hattigol said:

Nitefly said:

Anyway, back at the football.

Have Arsenal got any mileage trying to appeal the Tomiyasu red card? It seems it was Havertz who wasted the time at the throw-in, then left the ball for Tomiyasu, who then got his first yellow for time-wasting!

Pretty sure you can't appeal a yellow so a red made up of two yellows is unappealable.

Correct - Can't appeal on the 2nd yellow

This will happen again and again and overall it deserves to - Why could Havertz not take it before - It was essential a yellow card for the team - The one that annoys me is the defensive free kick outside your own penalty box - The CB lines it all up, then walks away as the goalie walks 20/30 yards, moves the ball 12" before he wants to take it

I actually thought the 2nd yellow was for Tomiyasu kicking the ball away after the free kick for the 'shirt pull' was awarded

He didnt kick the ball away.

Sorry if I was wrong - I thought he did, just as the camera shot panned away - Maybe as Tony said he thought about it - But agree you can't be booked for thinking about it ( can you)

mrkb · August 2023

guitars4you said:

mrkb said:

guitars4you said:

Hattigol said:

Nitefly said:

Anyway, back at the football.

Have Arsenal got any mileage trying to appeal the Tomiyasu red card? It seems it was Havertz who wasted the time at the throw-in, then left the ball for Tomiyasu, who then got his first yellow for time-wasting!

Pretty sure you can't appeal a yellow so a red made up of two yellows is unappealable.

Correct - Can't appeal on the 2nd yellow

This will happen again and again and overall it deserves to - Why could Havertz not take it before - It was essential a yellow card for the team - The one that annoys me is the defensive free kick outside your own penalty box - The CB lines it all up, then walks away as the goalie walks 20/30 yards, moves the ball 12" before he wants to take it

I actually thought the 2nd yellow was for Tomiyasu kicking the ball away after the free kick for the 'shirt pull' was awarded

He didnt kick the ball away.

Sorry if I was wrong - I thought he did, just as the camera shot panned away - Maybe as Tony said he thought about it - But agree you can't be booked for thinking about it ( can you)

2mins into this video - he was no where near the ball

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guitars4you · August 2023

mrkb said:

guitars4you said:

mrkb said:

guitars4you said:

Hattigol said:

Nitefly said:

Anyway, back at the football.

Have Arsenal got any mileage trying to appeal the Tomiyasu red card? It seems it was Havertz who wasted the time at the throw-in, then left the ball for Tomiyasu, who then got his first yellow for time-wasting!

Pretty sure you can't appeal a yellow so a red made up of two yellows is unappealable.

Correct - Can't appeal on the 2nd yellow

This will happen again and again and overall it deserves to - Why could Havertz not take it before - It was essential a yellow card for the team - The one that annoys me is the defensive free kick outside your own penalty box - The CB lines it all up, then walks away as the goalie walks 20/30 yards, moves the ball 12" before he wants to take it

I actually thought the 2nd yellow was for Tomiyasu kicking the ball away after the free kick for the 'shirt pull' was awarded

He didnt kick the ball away.

Sorry if I was wrong - I thought he did, just as the camera shot panned away - Maybe as Tony said he thought about it - But agree you can't be booked for thinking about it ( can you)

2mins into this video - he was no where near the ball

Odegaard spot on as 10-player Arsenal see off Palace | Crystal Palace 0-1 Arsenal | EPL highlights - YouTube

Glad I watched it - I was right - Someone kicked the ball away - Yellow card - Just wasn't Tomiyasu, so sorry I got the wrong player, but the right 'issue' - Ref probably tied up with other 'issue' and distracted - But the CB could well have had a yellow card for stupidly kicking the ball away

I think the 2nd yellow was harsh - barely a free kick let alone a yellow - But no issue with 'the team' time wasting over the throw in - As I said earlier, Tomiyasu took one for the team there

I'm sure it won't be the last time this season whereby the 2nd yellow card will be petty, but the 1st yellow card will be for stupidity - They no the directive about time wasting and kicking the ball away so don't do it

Nitefly · August 2023

So the initial time-waster (Havertz) gets away with it... not sure I'd be too happy if I was Tomiyasu!

guitars4you · August 2023

Nitefly said:

So the initial time-waster (Havertz) gets away with it... not sure I'd be too happy if I was Tomiyasu!

Agree - But how about 4/5/6 different players walk up to take the throw in, one by one, then 5 seconds later walk away and leave it to the next man - No one player guilty, but the team has wasted time and slowed the game down - As I said earlier, Tomiyasu had to take one for the team in that situation

Again as I mentioned before, how many times do we see a CB place the ball for a free kick, what maybe 5/10 yards out of the penalty zone - Then walk away, to allow the keeper to take it , but they want to replace the ball first, albeit 12" away - Frustrating and time wasting

I have no issues with what the officials are trying to do with deliberate time wasting

axisus · August 2023

guitars4you said:

I have no issues with what the officials are trying to do with deliberate time wasting

I have to admit that I have always thought of time wasting as kind of part of the game.

TTony · August 2023

axisus said:

guitars4you said:

I have no issues with what the officials are trying to do with deliberate time wasting

I have to admit that I have always thought of time wasting as kind of part of the game.

Not the most entertaining part of the game.

Though perhaps that depends on who you typically watch.

S56035 · August 2023

axisus said:

guitars4you said:

I have no issues with what the officials are trying to do with deliberate time wasting

I have to admit that I have always thought of time wasting as kind of part of the game.

I'm the total opposite, it's totally not part of the game as the game can't continue while it's happening. Taking the ball to the corner, keeper not picking up the ball at his feet until the opposite run over yes, taking 60 seconds for a throw-in no.

guitars4you · August 2023

TTony said:

axisus said:

guitars4you said:

I have no issues with what the officials are trying to do with deliberate time wasting

I have to admit that I have always thought of time wasting as kind of part of the game.

Not the most entertaining part of the game.

Though perhaps that depends on who you typically watch.

Look back on the greatest moments in football - Club or country - Whichever team it maybe - Great crunching tackles - Great saves - Great dribbles and beating your man - Great shots from outside the box - Team goals - Individual goals - Comedy of errors - Vieira and Keane squaring off and that glare, or indeed other 'competitive' moments - Whatever any great moments that there might be, I don't see time wasting in any of those magic moments - It is off course different when the ball is in play and they are going through. 'the game management' process as in reality the ball is in play and the ref can't do anything about it

Throw ins - Would be interesting to see the netball approach - Once you have the ball at the touch line, in the appropriate place, you have 3 seconds to get it back in play, otherwise you loose the ball

axisus · August 2023

guitars4you said:

TTony said:

axisus said:

guitars4you said:

I have no issues with what the officials are trying to do with deliberate time wasting

I have to admit that I have always thought of time wasting as kind of part of the game.

Not the most entertaining part of the game.

Though perhaps that depends on who you typically watch.

Look back on the greatest moments in football - Club or country - Whichever team it maybe - Great crunching tackles - Great saves - Great dribbles and beating your man - Great shots from outside the box - Team goals - Individual goals - Comedy of errors - Vieira and Keane squaring off and that glare, or indeed other 'competitive' moments - Whatever any great moments that there might be, I don't see time wasting in any of those magic moments - It is off course different when the ball is in play and they are going through. 'the game management' process as in reality the ball is in play and the ref can't do anything about it

Throw ins - Would be interesting to see the netball approach - Once you have the ball at the touch line, in the appropriate place, you have 3 seconds to get it back in play, otherwise you loose the ball

I didn't word my reply very well, I was thinking of playing the ball into the corner rather than someone arseing about taking a throw in. Your 'great moments' are fine, but that has nothing to do with the fact that it is useful to keep hold of the ball by the corner flag! Not every team plays beautiful flowing football, but they all play football.

I rather like the netball idea though, although 3 seconds is a bit short!

guitars4you · August 2023

axisus said:j

guitars4you said:

TTony said:

axisus said:

guitars4you said:

I have no issues with what the officials are trying to do with deliberate time wasting

I have to admit that I have always thought of time wasting as kind of part of the game.

Not the most entertaining part of the game.

Though perhaps that depends on who you typically watch.

Look back on the greatest moments in football - Club or country - Whichever team it maybe - Great crunching tackles - Great saves - Great dribbles and beating your man - Great shots from outside the box - Team goals - Individual goals - Comedy of errors - Vieira and Keane squaring off and that glare, or indeed other 'competitive' moments - Whatever any great moments that there might be, I don't see time wasting in any of those magic moments - It is off course different when the ball is in play and they are going through. 'the game management' process as in reality the ball is in play and the ref can't do anything about it

Throw ins - Would be interesting to see the netball approach - Once you have the ball at the touch line, in the appropriate place, you have 3 seconds to get it back in play, otherwise you loose the ball

I didn't word my reply very well, I was thinking of playing the ball into the corner rather than someone arseing about taking a throw in. Your 'great moments' are fine, but that has nothing to do with the fact that it is useful to keep hold of the ball by the corner flag! Not every team plays beautiful flowing football, but they all play football.

I rather like the netball idea though, although 3 seconds is a bit short!

Okay I see what you mean - think that is considered game management- difference is the ball is actually in play just that the opposing player can’t really get it - like a goal keeper not picking up the ball until a striker goes to him - frustrating all the same - A restart not actually taken place yet is more of a delaying tactic that the ref can get involved with

Lestratcaster · August 2023

Really harsh for Tomiyasu to get the 2 yellows. As mentioned before Havertz held the ball for longer before the throw-in took place then before that Saliba and Ramsdale I think took a long time too.

The 'foul' on Ayew wasn't a yellow either. Hardly touched him. Now we have another defender unavailable.

But we dug in and got the win, the subs brought on were all defensive minded to see out the game and it worked well as we squeezed the space in the middle so they had to go wide or resort to long range shots.

thecolourbox · August 2023

When we had Ben Foster in goal at West Brom he was the absolute master of time wasting, he'd often turn his back to the ref whilst fetching the ball for a goal kick and would tell the ball boys to stay where they were, he'd sometimes bounce the ball and drop it or bounce it off his toe "by accident" to stall a bit further

It was quite amusing, and was indeed more entertaining than the Pulis-ball we would have been watching instead were the ball in play. However not really in the spirit of the game and i'd very much differentiate between that (time wasting) and keeping the ball in the corner (managing the game).

I notice Ben Foster has retired this week actually, perhaps it's in response to the new time wasting rules

sev112 · August 2023

Doesn’t really matter if you take him lightly or take him heavy, he was starting a counter attack and the foul stopped that. Yellow perfectly fine there, wish more would give them

Lestratcaster · August 2023

Hardly any contact to warrant a foul though.

mrkb · August 2023

Lestratcaster said:

Hardly any contact to warrant a foul though.

This wasnt even a foul at Palace a few years ago!

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TeleMaster · August 2023

https://twitter.com/WestHam_Central/status/1694118700624785680
The first two seem pretty innocuous to me, the third one coild be suspicious.

blobb · August 2023

Shouldn't a yellow. Give the ball to the other team instead.

thecolourbox · August 2023

Yes we've mentioned that idea whilst at matches at west brom actually, time wasting on a throw or free kick etc could be given to the opposition, if it's a goal kick or free kick in the area then i guess they'd have to come up with something (indirect free kick outside the box on nearest edge? drop ball somewhere?

Treat it like a foul throw (not that they EVER seem to give foul throws but that's by the by)

blobb · August 2023

Originally it was given to whichever player got to the ball first regardless of who kicked it out, maybe that would liven things up a bit?

thecolourbox · August 2023

blobb said:

Originally it was given to whichever player got to the ball first regardless of who kicked it out, maybe that would liven things up a bit?

Haha that would be amazing. Can they allow "Changes" to be shouted when a corner comes across to allow a team to change the goalkeeper to whoever is best placed to punch it out? A la Suarez against Ghana

blobb · August 2023

It was always 'Rush goalie' when I was a kid.

sev112 · August 2023

Goalie when needed

RaymondLin · August 2023

I think it is harsh to give the yellow to Tomiyashu for time wasting when there were two other players who also held the ball. The only fair thing would be give all 3 players a yellow since they were all part of it. It’s not like you can give the team a yellow card.

guitars4you · August 2023

blobb said:

It was always 'Rush goalie' when I was a kid.

and jumpers for goal posts - plus put the small kid in the 'imaginary goals' then claim any shot must be over the bar

guitars4you · August 2023

RaymondLin said:

I think it is harsh to give the yellow to Tomiyashu for time wasting when there were two other players who also held the ball. The only fair thing would be give all 3 players a yellow since they were all part of it. It’s not like you can give the team a yellow card.

I agree - But teams need to be aware of such scenarios and not repeat it - Otherwise imagine 2/3/4 players each taking turns and say 5 seconds to hold the ball, yet it is still not in play - Sooner or later the ref will be quite rightly pee'd off at the team wasting time

blobb · August 2023

RaymondLin said:

I think it is harsh to give the yellow to Tomiyashu for time wasting when there were two other players who also held the ball. The only fair thing would be give all 3 players a yellow since they were all part of it. It’s not like you can give the team a yellow card.

Or give it to the manager. Do it twice he's in the stands.

Hattigol · August 2023

It might be harsh....but I bet they don't do it again next game.

TTony · August 2023

Hattigol said:

It might be harsh....but I bet they don't do it again next game.

Tomiyasu certainly won’t.

guitars4you · August 2023

Not looking good for Everton's on going financial issues - MSP Capital pull out of a potential financial investment - They are still going to make a huge investment into the new stadium, but no longer investing within the club itself - Everton looking at other options, so I dare say time will tell

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