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No doubt some are kept purely for dog-fighting or as a breeding machine to make money from other arseholes.
And...it's been demonstrated time and time again that even those exact same dogs bred and trained for fighting can be rehabilitated. See the dogs rescued from Michael Vick's fighting ring - not one had a bite incident for the rest of their lives after they were taken.
In the 80s, everybody was saying all of the exact same things about GSDs. In the 90s, it was Rottweilers. In the 2010s it was huskies, Malamutes and Akitas.
I still maintain that the solution is not whack-a-mole banning breeds here and there according to the media's whims; it's prosecuting the owners exactly as though they committed the crime.
(Dunno what you do with all the ownerless dogs left over after that though.)
......Hopefully the armed response are half way through a tea break when they get the call
Seems like a WIN/WIN situation
I've seen quite a few people with these XLs and even the biggest strongest looking have problems handling the strength of these things, let alone a very petit woman I saw the other day who could not even handle a puppy version of the dog.
But, whenever reports of dog attacks hit the news and somebody is mauled or even killed by a dog, it's always a certain kind of dog involved, they are always the big, aggressive breeds or cross breeds known to have a dodgy temperament.
Rarely, if ever, do you ever hear of a child being mauled by an Old English Sheep Dog, or a granny being attacked by a dangerously out of control Red Setter.
Ironically, my sister was recently attacked by that very same kind of dog with a typical Roadman on the other end of the lead.
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This is totally different.
Kangals are a shepherd , Malamutes are a draught Dog , Wolfhounds are a Hunting Hound ......all derived for a purpose .
The only derivation of these monstrosities is a consciously genetic bred fighting machine.
There's lots of dog breeds with a POTENTIAL to inflict huge damage but the WHOLE PURPOSE of these monstrosities is to do exactly that.....................That's a HUGE difference.
There is no worthwhile point or purpose in them .
I'm sure if I had a puppy XL it would be as docile as Spaniel but that's not the point.
My friend ,an extremely experienced Wolfhound breeder had a dog that would and tried to kill 2 humans ....it's unknown in the breed.....when euthanised it was found to have a brain-tumour.The potential for damage was huge.
Keeping one of these Bullies is no different to keeping TNT in the kitchen cupboard .......it serves no purpose ,it's volatile and one day there is a chance it will go off of it's own accord...............it's just a pointless risk with awful consequences .
The owners need to held responsible as its a status symbol, lets start prosecuting the owners, your dog attacks someone, the owner gets an assault /attempted manslaughter charge. Start dealing with these scrotes properly
Staffie = Pistol
XL Bully = Howitzer
There's a whole dimension of difference in the damage potential
Dog ownership is inherently risky. If people can't think that through, then the law should be used to make it absolutely clear - transfer all of the risk to the owner, and if a dog attacks somebody then it's GBH. If it kills somebody, then its a manslaughter/murder charge. It won't take many "normal" people going to jail for 20 years to make people think twice before buying that cute puppy or that status dog.
The Birmingham video is bloody horrific though, poor guy in the petrol station, fair play to the lads who tried to help him.
For me any dog can be dangerous to a child and that's why we keep our placid Cockerpoos on a lead when out in public, but the power of these XL creatures means that if they do loose the plot the damage they could do could be much worse, I struggle to see how allowing these dogs in public is a reasonable risk. (but hey there are idiots behind the wheel and they continue to be a hazard too!)
Prosecute the owners up front? They'll just boast about that as if it is a badge of courage.
Treat dangerous breeds like guns - ban them, do whatever you need to get them off the streets.
Ban them. There are hundreds of other dog breeds to choose from.
whats a " dangerous breed" ? if a cockapoo kills a child is that then a dangerous breed? more people are bit by collies every year than any bull breed , is that now a dangerous breed? its the OWNERS that need to be held responsible, any dog can be a twat, i have previously owned a staffie, 14 inches tall, 15kg, so not a big dog at all, the most placid, people loving dog i have ever met, yet i watched people cross the road because of his breed.
The status that these little fuckwits get from owning these big bully/molloser types is why they own them, lets put a dog licence back in place, any dog has to be registered to its owner, and if that dog attacks someone the OWNER is responsible, not the dog.
Certainly no breeder should be allowed to genetically create a hybrid monster.
Anyone can own an air pistol (and they can hurt when hit at close quarters), with ever increasing regulation of guns the more powerful they get.
If you're doing it by bite frequency...you can add labradors, Shih Tzus, collies and retrievers to that list.
These are all breeds who've killed or disfigured children in the last 20 years.
The point is that banning breeds doesn't work because it's just whack-a-mole with an ever expanding list - if it did work, then we wouldn't have had any fatal attacks in the last 20-30 years. The cause of the problem is people wanting dogs who should never, ever be allowed to have them - licences don't work (that's proven), so the only deterrent available is being prosecuted after the fact.
And, if the market for those dogs dries up, then they'll never be bred in the first place. That is the preventative part, and it catches all present and future breeds.
And give up with "mine is so placid" nonsense. Every owner says the same right up to the point where the dog attacks.
PS Yes, I've owned dogs for decades, coming from a family of dog owners.
absolute sensationalist horseshit your talking there @Chalky ;
i knew that dog better than my own family, i had 100% recall with him and trusted him , and if we were ever in a situation where there was any danger , to him or any other dog , i would remove him from that situation straight away.
your classing every dog of a certain type as a killer, and that is just fucking ridiculous. Dogs, probably more than any other animal are a product of their environment, teach them well, bring them up to respect and behave in the way you expect them to and you will have a good loyal friend for life, teach them to be twats and they will be , specially these Bully breeds, who are generally in my experience , more people dogs than dog dogs.
Hence why hold the owner responsible, not the dog, and certainly not the BREED of the dog.
oh and this is my current dog
100% recall at 9 month old, walks to heel and listens to every word i say, because i have put the time and effort in to make her that way