Controversial guitar opinions you have.

Nerine · September 2023

Your 15/20w amp isn’t “loud”.

A JCM 800 is loud. Your 15/20w amp just isn’t, you wet wipe.

Sporky · September 2023

A JCM800 isn't loud. It only has one 13A plug, and doesn't use most of it.

Loud starts with three 32A commandos.

SpoonMan · September 2023

Lewy said:

carlos said:

SpoonMan said:

Too much theory makes jack a dull boy

Guitar music doesn't need to be technically complex to have great emotional depth/complexity.
Don't really know how to explain this point tbh, but something like pink Floyd can have much more than something like vai with much fewer notes and much simpler structure/chord progressions.
It's all about the feels, how it connects with you and where it takes you.
Indian/eastern musicians, for example, generally seem to understand this stuff better.

Incredibly condescending towards Indian/eastern musicians.

I don't see how it's condescending, but it does seem to overlook that Indian musicians pound for pound tend to be technical and theoretical monsters. Unless that's the point you're making - the assumption that they are not is condescending.

I certainly didn't intend to come across as condescending. Sorry if that's how it sounded. I'm not really talking about anyone's technical ability.
What I was thinking about was concepts like the aum where within one simple sound you can find the infinite complexity of all existence.
Does that make sense?

From a certain point of view you could say that the more notes you add and the deeper the "understanding", the more diluted the "experience" becomes.

I think you need to separate my first point from the second. They aren't necessarily connected.

stickyfiddle · September 2023

Nerine said:

Your 15/20w amp isn’t “loud”.

A JCM 800 is loud. Your 15/20w amp just isn’t, you wet wipe.

Thus spake the man who's never played a Matchless, methinks.

Anyway, we all know the loudest amp on the planet is an AC30

Philly_Q · September 2023

stickyfiddle said:

Nerine said:

Your 15/20w amp isn’t “loud”.

A JCM 800 is loud. Your 15/20w amp just isn’t, you wet wipe.

Thus spake the man who's never played a Matchless, methinks.

Anyway, we all know the loudest amp on the planet is an AC30

I find that just about any guitar amp is more than capable of being too loud. I know that means I'm too old.

skullfunkerry · September 2023

Philly_Q said:

stickyfiddle said:

Nerine said:

Your 15/20w amp isn’t “loud”.

A JCM 800 is loud. Your 15/20w amp just isn’t, you wet wipe.

Thus spake the man who's never played a Matchless, methinks.

Anyway, we all know the loudest amp on the planet is an AC30

I find that just about any guitar amp is more than capable of being too loud. I know that means I'm too old.

My Dark Terror was earsplitting when I cranked it*. I wiped quite a few smirks off of people’s faces with that little beast

*I say “cranked it”, but I never had the volume knob over about 1 o’clock, and even then it was like that Cheech & Chong scene where Cheech can’t open the front door

ICBM · September 2023

stickyfiddle said:

Thus spake the man who's never played a Matchless, methinks.

Anyway, we all know the loudest amp on the planet is an AC30

Thus spake the man who's never played a proper JCM800, methinks

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An AC30 is loud. A Matchless is louder. A fully cranked 2203 through a 4x12" or two is on a different level entirely... and then there's the non-MV 1959 model which they also made (albeit rarely) in the JCM800 series - how it's even louder I don't know, but it is.

swiller · September 2023

Sure i speak for a majority here, who would say the same about themselves..
My taste in guitars renders the rest of this forum pretty clueless individuals (unless siamese twins) with more money than sense.

stickyfiddle · September 2023

I have played JCM800s but I’m not into the bonecrushing stuff so never really turned them up, to be fair.

Give me a Deluxe Reverb or AC30 and I’m a happy man

pluckbuddy · September 2023

Stuckfast said:

Neck pickups FTW. Bridge pickups sound thin and scratchy and weedy.

This issue can be easily remedied by not using a strat.

dindude · September 2023

I think I’ve come to the conclusion that all vintage style guitars sound more or less like a Telecaster, just various levels of thickness. Except for a Strat, which sounds like a Strat. I’ll probably retract this statement tomorrow.

carlos · September 2023

Lewy said:

carlos said:

SpoonMan said:

Too much theory makes jack a dull boy

Guitar music doesn't need to be technically complex to have great emotional depth/complexity.
Don't really know how to explain this point tbh, but something like pink Floyd can have much more than something like vai with much fewer notes and much simpler structure/chord progressions.
It's all about the feels, how it connects with you and where it takes you.
Indian/eastern musicians, for example, generally seem to understand this stuff better.

Incredibly condescending towards Indian/eastern musicians.

I don't see how it's condescending, but it does seem to overlook that Indian musicians pound for pound tend to be technical and theoretical monsters. Unless that's the point you're making - the assumption that they are not is condescending.

Exactly. Just because SpoonMan doesn't understand how they're technical and theoretical monsters, he assumes they're feel and emotional players. Colonialist bollocks.

SpoonMan · September 2023

carlos said:

Lewy said:

carlos said:

SpoonMan said:

Too much theory makes jack a dull boy

Guitar music doesn't need to be technically complex to have great emotional depth/complexity.
Don't really know how to explain this point tbh, but something like pink Floyd can have much more than something like vai with much fewer notes and much simpler structure/chord progressions.
It's all about the feels, how it connects with you and where it takes you.
Indian/eastern musicians, for example, generally seem to understand this stuff better.

Incredibly condescending towards Indian/eastern musicians.

I don't see how it's condescending, but it does seem to overlook that Indian musicians pound for pound tend to be technical and theoretical monsters. Unless that's the point you're making - the assumption that they are not is condescending.

Exactly. Just because SpoonMan doesn't understand how they're technical and theoretical monsters, he assumes they're feel and emotional players. Colonialist bollocks.

Where are you getting this from?

Did you read my last post? It's nothing to do with anyone's level of technical or theoretical ability.

I wouldn't suggest that all musicians from anywhere where anything, apart from musicians.

Just plain bollocks. WTF has colonialism got to do with anything?!

NickB · September 2023

Guitar solos should be limited to 12 bars at most. After 12 bars it’s a boring wankfest. Apart from David Gilmour the rule doesn’t apply to him.

RocknRollDave · September 2023

Almost all guitarists have a horrible tone.

Lewy · September 2023

NickB said:

Guitar solos should be limited to 12 bars at most. After 12 bars it’s a boring wankfest. Apart from David Gilmour the rule doesn’t apply to him.

Yes, 6 bar limit for him.

NickB · September 2023

Lewy said:

NickB said:

Guitar solos should be limited to 12 bars at most. After 12 bars it’s a boring wankfest. Apart from David Gilmour the rule doesn’t apply to him.

Yes, 6 bar limit for him.

oooh that smarts a little.

flying_pie · September 2023

NickB said:

Guitar solos should be limited to 12 bars at most

That would never work. It would just mean that when the solo comes the song modulates to 1 bpm played at 130 x tempo

guitarjack66 · September 2023

The racial use of 'Jap' is news to me. I've always felt its a shortening of Japan and 'Nips' is the perjorative term based on one of the native names of Nippon. When we speak about these things the context is important and while former Asian people,including Japanese,may have been treated badly by the early white Imperialists(who wasn't!) the skin colour and it's shade of darkness is most of the deciding factor in things like 'Paki' rather than it simply being a shortening of Pakistani. Obviously the idiots using it often 'mistake' Indian,Sri Lankan, Bangladeshi et al with their intended abusees.

soma1975 · September 2023

Well yes context is important but now the news has been broken to you it's fair enough to expect some sensitivity towards people that don't know your entire innocent history of using the term and just hear the word which has a far greater and more important meaning for them than it does for you.

Poboy · September 2023

I think anything and everything is shit.

guitarjack66 · September 2023

soma1975 said:

Well yes context is important but now the news has been broken to you it's fair enough to expect some sensitivity towards people that don't know your entire innocent history of using the term and just hear the word which has a far greater and more important meaning for them than it does for you.

Agreed.

Stuckfast · September 2023

SpoonMan said:

Did you read my last post? It's nothing to do with anyone's level of technical or theoretical ability.

I wouldn't suggest that all musicians from anywhere where anything, apart from musicians.

Just plain bollocks. WTF has colonialism got to do with anything?!

I don't know if it's colonialist bollocks, but your post did read as though you were making the false and very dubious inference that because Indian music sounds simple to you, it lacks complexity or theoretical nuance. Whereas in reality if Indian music sounds simple to you that's because you lack the framework to understand it properly (as do I and probably most of us here).

Offset · September 2023

flying_pie said:
Agreed. I can't stand listening to recordings of traditional folk music but go to the odd gig as it's infinitely better live. Same thing with blues or jazz although I tend to stumble upon it rather than seek it out. Country is fucking awful and a step too far

Ahem.

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Cranky · September 2023

Stuckfast said:

SpoonMan said:

Did you read my last post? It's nothing to do with anyone's level of technical or theoretical ability.

I wouldn't suggest that all musicians from anywhere where anything, apart from musicians.

Just plain bollocks. WTF has colonialism got to do with anything?!

I don't know if it's colonialist bollocks, but your post did read as though you were making the false and very dubious inference that because Indian music sounds simple to you, it lacks complexity or theoretical nuance. Whereas in reality if Indian music sounds simple to you that's because you lack the framework to understand it properly (as do I and probably most of us here).

@SpoonMan I didn’t get that at all from what you originally said. And that’s saying something, as my “colonialist bollocks” antennae are always up.

All you said was that those who learned/knew how to play “Indian music” (I don’t remember exactly how you put it but I’m too lazy to go back and find it) were demonstrating a refined understanding/feel for the theory. I don’t see how saying that they get get what we often don’t is an insult to them.

Teyeplayer · September 2023

We are not being nearly controversial enough: the Fender Maverick Dorado is cool as, even with its crappy b50 and fake filtertrons.

bluecat · September 2023

Sporky said, acoustics are too loud, so don't I really need an acoustic amp?
If I had known that I would have been quids in.

EricTheWeary · September 2023

bluecat said:

Sporky said, acoustics are too loud, so don't I really need an acoustic amp?

Acoustic guitars are just right for sitting around a camp fire singing songs - ready made kindling.

noisepolluter · September 2023

The current American Pro ii model is the best Fender Strat design there has ever been.

soma1975 · September 2023

Smoke on the Water is a dogshit song and a dogshit riff and has no place being held up as an alltime classic.

If it weren't so ubiquitous for beginners playing along one string when they start out nobody would remember it.

Also Pearl Jam are a better band than Nirvana were with a far more diverse and less one-dimensional back catalogue.

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