Controversial guitar opinions you have.

CavemanGrogg · September 2023

@HarrySeven has ''a particular unique'' taste in guitars. Though I don't think this qualifies as a controversial opinion in the context of this thread or forum.

Philly_Q · September 2023

soma1975 said:

Wasn't there literally a Les Paul model called the Less Paul which was thinner?

There literally was. Around 2015 I think.

guitars4you · September 2023

Philly_Q said:

soma1975 said:

Wasn't there literally a Les Paul model called the Less Paul which was thinner?

There literally was. Around 2015 I think.

Did it cost less

Brio · September 2023

I pronounce it the French way, Lay Poul.

Philly_Q · September 2023

guitars4you said:

Philly_Q said:

soma1975 said:

Wasn't there literally a Les Paul model called the Less Paul which was thinner?

There literally was. Around 2015 I think.

Did it cost less

They were pretty cheap that year when Amazon bought loads of the leftover Gibson 2015 stock.

HarrySeven · September 2023

CavemanGrogg said:

@HarrySeven has ''a particular unique'' taste in guitars. Though I don't think this qualifies as a controversial opinion in the context of this thread or forum.

Hmmmm…this is true.

However, other opinions which may be controversial are:

*Gibson and Fender Custom Shops should be torched.

*Cork-sniffing obsession with ever-more forensic, historically-accurate, micro-differentiated detail is a total dead end.

*Blues as a genre should be dead and buried. It’s fucking cliched and pointless.

*Signature models are a complete and utter cynical marketing ploy - and those who buy into it have been well and truly suckered.

*Obsessing over ‘Guitar Heroes’ is a total waste of time. Fuck ‘em.

*Throwing shapes and gurning whilst playing makes you look like a twat. Fucking stop it, you’re pissing me off and embarrassing yourself.

*All neck pickups should be removed or disconnected. They sound shit.

*Away with your blinged-up ‘Wood Library’, ‘Private Stock’ and other such nonsense, Mr. PRS. Your guitars look like shite.

swiller · September 2023

im with you on all that apart from the neck pickup. They are the feminine voluptuous aspect of a guitar and sound like they have been oestrogen potted.

ICBM · September 2023

As I get older I find myself using the neck pickup more. It’s probably like the hollow guitar thing…

ScreamingDave · September 2023

HarrySeven said:

CavemanGrogg said:

@HarrySeven has ''a particular unique'' taste in guitars. Though I don't think this qualifies as a controversial opinion in the context of this thread or forum.

Hmmmm…this is true.

However, other opinions which may be controversial are:

*Gibson and Fender Custom Shops should be torched.

*Cork-sniffing obsession with ever-more forensic, historically-accurate, micro-differentiated detail is a total dead end.

*Blues as a genre should be dead and buried. It’s fucking cliched and pointless.

*Signature models are a complete and utter cynical marketing ploy - and those who buy into it have been well and truly suckered.

*Obsessing over ‘Guitar Heroes’ is a total waste of time. Fuck ‘em.

*Throwing shapes and gurning whilst playing makes you look like a twat. Fucking stop it, you’re pissing me off and embarrassing yourself.

*All neck pickups should be removed or disconnected. They sound shit.

*Away with your blinged-up ‘Wood Library’, ‘Private Stock’ and other such nonsense, Mr. PRS. Your guitars look like shite.

Just for the sake of balance, everything @HarrySeven just said is true

Stuckfast · September 2023

Neck pickups FTW. Bridge pickups sound thin and scratchy and weedy.

randella · September 2023

Philly_Q said:

Cranky said:

soma1975 said:

The Paul David 'listening face' in the corner of the screen of those guest solos videos he does is the worst thing on the internet since 2 girls 1 cup.

Yes! It’s equivalent to Stanley Tucci’s face when he is somehow blown away by every bite of spaghetti he takes. They can both fuck right off with that shite.

You're beginning to sound positively British.

"Controversial guitar opinions containing British vernacular sound best when read in a northern English accent."

flying_pie · September 2023

People listen to live music with their eyes. Guitar faces and moving around while playing to engage the audience improves your sound more than any amplifier or guitar "upgrade"

Offset · September 2023

skullfunkerry said:

EricTheWeary said:

Lebarque said:

Only sad sacks refer to a Les Paul as a 'Lester'

I noticed that Mick Taylor did this on TPS and I thought ooh I bet there are some Fretboarders seething.

What about people who call it a "Paul"?

Well if it is a Paul (as in the late '70s model) that's absolutely fine :-)

soma1975 · September 2023

So there actually is a 'Less Paul' and a 'The Paul' model.

So in fact the only unacceptable name is a Lester.

SteveRobinson · September 2023

Controversial guitar opinions you have

Nerine · September 2023

Stuckfast said:

Neck pickups FTW. Bridge pickups sound thin and scratchy and weedy.

This isn’t controversial, it’s just plain incorrect.

Philly_Q · September 2023

flying_pie said:

People listen to live music with their eyes. Guitar faces and moving around while playing to engage the audience improves your sound more than any amplifier or guitar "upgrade"

I think you also "feel" live music in the atmosphere - not just the sound, which is different from recorded sound, but being there in the room with the musicians, and the audience, adds to the experience.

But you're right, I can watch a live band (in person, or even on YouTube) play music which I would never listen to on record - be that jazz, blues, country... probably not folk, that's a step too far.

stickyfiddle · September 2023

flying_pie said:

People listen to live music with their eyes. Guitar faces and moving around while playing to engage the audience improves your sound more than any amplifier or guitar "upgrade"

This shouldn't be controversial but probably is for many.

Whether the performers like it or not, a gig is a performance and players should act as such. That can mean staring at their feet facing each other, or staying motionless while staring at the crowd, but it should be intentional.

HarrySeven · September 2023

stickyfiddle said:

flying_pie said:

People listen to live music with their eyes. Guitar faces and moving around while playing to engage the audience improves your sound more than any amplifier or guitar "upgrade"

Whether the performers like it or not, a gig is a performance and players should act as such.

And this is why I hate:

a. Gigging, and

b. Going to gigs.

flying_pie · September 2023

Philly_Q said:

flying_pie said:

People listen to live music with their eyes. Guitar faces and moving around while playing to engage the audience improves your sound more than any amplifier or guitar "upgrade"

I think you also "feel" live music in the atmosphere - not just the sound, which is different from recorded sound, but being there in the room with the musicians, and the audience, adds to the experience.

But you're right, I can watch a live band (in person, or even on YouTube) play music which I would never listen to on record - be that jazz, blues, country... probably not folk, that's a step too far.

Agreed. I can't stand listening to recordings of traditional folk music but go to the odd gig as it's infinitely better live. Same thing with blues or jazz although I tend to stumble upon it rather than seek it out. Country is fucking awful and a step too far

There's such a different feel in a pub or concert hall than through a recording, especially if the band performs and draws you in

Philly_Q · September 2023

flying_pie said:

Philly_Q said:

flying_pie said:

People listen to live music with their eyes. Guitar faces and moving around while playing to engage the audience improves your sound more than any amplifier or guitar "upgrade"

I think you also "feel" live music in the atmosphere - not just the sound, which is different from recorded sound, but being there in the room with the musicians, and the audience, adds to the experience.

But you're right, I can watch a live band (in person, or even on YouTube) play music which I would never listen to on record - be that jazz, blues, country... probably not folk, that's a step too far.

Agreed. I can't stand listening to recordings of traditional folk music but go to the odd gig as it's infinitely better live. Same thing with blues or jazz although I tend to stumble upon it rather than seek it out. Country is fucking awful and a step too far

There's such a different feel in a pub or concert hall than through a recording, especially if the band performs and draws you in

I think it applies to cinema as well, even though it lacks the live performance aspect. Watching a film on a big screen, sat with an audience who are laughing (or jumping in fright, or whatever) en masse makes such a big difference. Whether the film's good or bad, you can feel the mood in the audience shifting and changing and it really adds to the experience.

I know people nowadays say they prefer watching at home for convenience - cheaper, no travel, drinks and snacks whenever you want, pause for a toilet break if you need one - but I just don't think there's the same level of concentration or engagement.

Sporky · September 2023

I prefer home to cinema (or gig) precisely because there aren't a load of people doing things that pull me out of the film and back into the room.

SpoonMan · September 2023

Too much theory makes jack a dull boy

Guitar music doesn't need to be technically complex to have great emotional depth/complexity.
Don't really know how to explain this point tbh, but something like pink Floyd can have much more than something like vai with much fewer notes and much simpler structure/chord progressions.
It's all about the feels, how it connects with you and where it takes you.
Indian/eastern musicians, for example, generally seem to understand this stuff better.

carlos · September 2023

SpoonMan said:

Too much theory makes jack a dull boy

Guitar music doesn't need to be technically complex to have great emotional depth/complexity.
Don't really know how to explain this point tbh, but something like pink Floyd can have much more than something like vai with much fewer notes and much simpler structure/chord progressions.
It's all about the feels, how it connects with you and where it takes you.
Indian/eastern musicians, for example, generally seem to understand this stuff better.

Incredibly condescending towards Indian/eastern musicians.

flying_pie · September 2023

SpoonMan said:

Guitar music doesn't need to be technically complex to have great emotional depth/complexity.
Don't really know how to explain this point tbh, but something like pink Floyd can have much more than something like vai with much fewer notes

How can that be? How can less be more? It's impossible. More is more. Simple simple logic

distressed · September 2023

stickyfiddle said:

Whether the performers like it or not, a gig is a performance and players should act as such. That can mean staring at their feet facing each other, or staying motionless while staring at the crowd, but it should be intentional.

Performers should do whatever they like, until it is regulated by strict laws at the state level. After that, it will be all regulated by specialized gig police and courts.

SpoonMan · September 2023

carlos said:

SpoonMan said:

Too much theory makes jack a dull boy

Guitar music doesn't need to be technically complex to have great emotional depth/complexity.
Don't really know how to explain this point tbh, but something like pink Floyd can have much more than something like vai with much fewer notes and much simpler structure/chord progressions.
It's all about the feels, how it connects with you and where it takes you.
Indian/eastern musicians, for example, generally seem to understand this stuff better.

Incredibly condescending towards Indian/eastern musicians.

Eh?

Lewy · September 2023

soma1975 said:

So there actually is a 'Less Paul' and a 'The Paul' model.

So in fact the only unacceptable name is a Lester.

Not quite, because a common American way of pronouncing the abbreviated "Les" sounds like "less" as opposed to the typical British pronunciation which sounds like "lez" and it's that that people are affecting, as opposed to referring specifically to the model knows as the Less Paul. So for me it's as cringeworthy as when a British person says "ass" rhyming with crass when referring to an arse (it's fine when referring to a donkey). Or as daft as if we all started pronouncing Graham as Gram.

God I care way less about this than the amount of typing would indicate. Perhaps I should say I care lez about it.....

Lewy · September 2023

SpoonMan said:

Guitar music doesn't need to be technically complex to have great emotional depth/complexity.

I agree. But my controversial related opinion is that most players who say this aren't very good at putting those things into their playing either.

Lewy · September 2023

carlos said:

SpoonMan said:

Too much theory makes jack a dull boy

Guitar music doesn't need to be technically complex to have great emotional depth/complexity.
Don't really know how to explain this point tbh, but something like pink Floyd can have much more than something like vai with much fewer notes and much simpler structure/chord progressions.
It's all about the feels, how it connects with you and where it takes you.
Indian/eastern musicians, for example, generally seem to understand this stuff better.

Incredibly condescending towards Indian/eastern musicians.

I don't see how it's condescending, but it does seem to overlook that Indian musicians pound for pound tend to be technical and theoretical monsters. Unless that's the point you're making - the assumption that they are not is condescending.

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