INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAY U.S. HAS RETRIEVED CRAFT OF NON-HUMAN ORIGIN

Sporky · June 2023

Tannin said:

Have we had this yet?

Yes. On this page.

Jalapeno · June 2023

Surely the previous page ?

Sporky · June 2023

Aliens! Aliens abducted my post and transported it through space and time.

Also - paradox resolution!

Reverend · June 2023

Dark Forest theory may hold weight.

DuploLicks · June 2023

Axe_meister said:
But in a universe of 200 Billion Galaxies, each with 100million star systems and over 37 billion years the chances of other life happening is likely quite high. Now there may well be a planet 150 light years away, at the same level of technology as us, but given the distances they would not even have recived our earliest radio signals yet.

A billion-billion? That’s too many things! I can’t remember where I left my keys half the time.

Thank you Bill Bailey
https://youtu.be/q-NgNvq5e_g

Shrews · June 2023

Here's what happened all over the universe:

1. Star stuff becomes life stuff under the right conditions.
2.Life stuff becomes even more life stuff
3.Different life stuffs compete with other life stuffs until one life stuff dominates
4.Sometimes they get wiped out and the process starts again
5. Eventually one dominant life stuff survives long enough to create AI which can travel to the stars

The only stumbling block is how many extinctions take place and how long it takes for a lifestuff to become dominant again. We've had a few, but other worlds may have had less, giving them more time to evolve.

Therefore, aliens exist and there's loads of them.Trouble is, they are actually robots and their biological masters long since died out (killed by them).

maharg101 · June 2023

The idea that humans, being recently evolved from apes, can have the slightest grasp on whether faster than light travel is possible, is laughable. We know two tenths of fsck all.

Personally I think it likely that most nascent civilisations manage to bugger up their home planet before they manage to colonise other planets. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter

I also think it likely that more than few make it beyond that. Until we present some sort of threat or opportunity, they'll be getting on with much more interesting stuff.

Adey · June 2023

maharg101 said:

The idea that humans, being recently evolved from apes, can have the slightest grasp on whether faster than light travel is possible, is laughable. We know two tenths of fsck all.

I know two tenths is really one fifth...

Kittyfrisk · June 2023

Adey said:

maharg101 said:

The idea that humans, being recently evolved from apes, can have the slightest grasp on whether faster than light travel is possible, is laughable. We know two tenths of fsck all.

I know two tenths is really one fifth...

Bloody Linux users think they know everything.

Adey · June 2023

Isn’t he a character in Peanuts cartoons?

maharg101 · June 2023

Kittyfrisk said:

Adey said:

maharg101 said:

The idea that humans, being recently evolved from apes, can have the slightest grasp on whether faster than light travel is possible, is laughable. We know two tenths of fsck all.

I know two tenths is really one fifth...

Bloody Linux users think they know everything.

BSD mainly, but Linux too

axisus · June 2023

It's dumb. They talk about reverse engineering technology, but we have been able to reverse cars for literally decades.

Alex2678 · June 2023

ICBM said:

VimFuego said:

jeez, the idea that we're the only intelligent lifeform in the universe is a deeply worrying one!

“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” - Arthur C. Clarke

Very true, but I believe it’s the former.

Adey said:

The building blocks of basic organic life though are probably all over the place in the universe.

I don’t doubt there is primitive life almost everywhere conditions are suitable for it - that’s the easy bit. But the step to what made us possible is so high it’s almost inconceivable. To the best of our knowledge it has happened just once, ever.

The discovery of one single life form unrelated to all the others on Earth would blow the whole thing wide open and make extra-terrestrial advanced life a near certainty, but it has never been found. Not one - all life on Earth has a single common ancestor. Until it is… we are alone.

We are inconceivably unlikely but the universe is inconceivably big and the number of planets out there is absolutely unimaginable. I think both the odds and the numbers of planets are such huge numbers it’s hard to say either way.

We may be extremely unlikely, but here we are.

roberty · June 2023

Bellycaster · June 2023

Someone managed to capture this earlier today.

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Tannin · June 2023

TeleMaster · June 2023

This conversation always makes me wonder how all these people seem so sure of everything. 'There definitely are aliens, there has to be, no way that we are alone in this vast universe etc.'

Being open to it is one thing but believing in anything without evidence is illogical. It's the same mindset as any other based on faith without evidence. You WANT to believe in something even though there is no evidence for it, and you jump through all these mental hurdles to justify it even though they're all just assumptions and they're all based on faith and your own desire for it to be true.

Is it possible? Yes. Is is proven? No.

I'm open to it so show me the evidence, if it's concrete I'll believe it, if it's just another grainy video in an age where everyone has these high powered mega pixel cameras on them I'm afraid you'll have to do better.

Also Fermi paradox is a very compelling theory. Also the Great Filter is another thing to consider.

Mellish · June 2023

Sorry, don't believe it.

Advanced civilisations? Oh for sure, it's a mathematical certainty. But they have to be 4.2 ly from us minimum. That's some distance, and to make that voyage just to fly around in our atmosphere or play games with our armed forces in forests? Come on now.

TeleMaster · June 2023

Mellish said:

Sorry, don't believe it.

Advanced civilisations? Oh for sure, it's a mathematical certainty. But they have to be 4.2 ly from us minimum. That's some distance, and to make that voyage just to fly around in our atmosphere or play games with our armed forces in forests? Come on now.

It's not about belief, it's about evidence. And while it's a possibility it's not a certainty because we don't any evidence for this position.

I'd love for us to make contact with alien life, it would be incredible. But I don't believe in things that I have no evidence for just because it feels like the alternative is unlikely/dissatisfying.

Mellish · June 2023

@TeleMaster ; that we have no evidence of advanced civilisations is hardly a sign that they don't exist. In fact, since man is still deep in infancy, it's hardly surprising that we can't prove it. (We'll never be able to disprove it).

But since life evolved here, and there are billions of other rocky planets in their stars' habitable zone...

darthed1981 · June 2023

Wasn't there a British government report, commissioned by Tony Blair when he shut down our equivalent of Project Bluebook, that came to a startling conclusion? I remember clearing reading about it in the Guardian at university, however it could be Mandela syndrome!

Basically the jist of the conclusion was that although it's easy to discount the claims of a farmer who gets pissed up on moonshine and claims to have had things shoved up his ass, there are too many sightings of UFOs from sensible, logical, sober people (fighter pilots being a prime example) to completely dismiss. However, if these are alien spacecraft, they have been visiting us for decades and not done anything hostile, so probably they are nothing to worry about.

If we have recovered alien technology at some point, it would be hard to tell when, and what was recovered.

Some fun possibilities occur. For example there could have been contact and we have been told, in no uncertain terms, to stay in our lane for a few centuries. This could explain the glacially slow progress of space exploration when potentially vast reserves of raw materials exist on other worlds, and the asteroids.

Of course it's explained just as easily by corporate interests favouring making as much as possible from strip mining our own planet first!

It's also possible that if alien life does exist and is monitoring us, they are despairing of our horrible behaviour. We are destroying the only habitable planet we know about in the universe through greed and stupidity. Maybe, they have decided to let us die off.

TeleMaster · June 2023

Mellish said:

@TeleMaster ; that we have no evidence of advanced civilisations is hardly a sign that they don't exist. In fact, since man is still deep in infancy, it's hardly surprising that we can't prove it. (We'll never be able to disprove it).

But since life evolved here, and there are billions of other rocky planets in their stars' habitable zone...

I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm saying that there's no evidence for it so taking a position where you state you believe they do, and that it's a mathematical certainty even without evidence just doesn't align with the evidence. Until we have the evidence, it's just blind faith. And that's okay, but it's not based in anything real.

I want to believe too, but I need something to believe in.

darthed1981 · June 2023

TeleMaster said:

Mellish said:

@TeleMaster ; that we have no evidence of advanced civilisations is hardly a sign that they don't exist. In fact, since man is still deep in infancy, it's hardly surprising that we can't prove it. (We'll never be able to disprove it).

But since life evolved here, and there are billions of other rocky planets in their stars' habitable zone...

I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm saying that there's no evidence for it so taking a position where you state you believe they do, and that it's a mathematical certainty even without evidence just doesn't align with the evidence. Until we have the evidence, it's just blind faith. And that's okay, but it's not based in anything real.

We have seen blind faith in both sides of the debate in this thread.

I have the greatest admiration and respect for Prof. Brian Cox, but just because he believes in "the great filter" it is only one possible solution for the Fermi paradox. It's really an explanation for the lack of evidence, and lack of evidence isn't evidence.

Conversely as you say @telemaster we have been looking moderately hard for alien life for a few decades and found no real evidence.

Also, on top of this, there is the uncertainty of if there WAS evidence, like an actual alien spacecraft, or some kind of direct contact, would we even get told about it?

I'm a lifelong Star Trek fan, amongst other sci-fi, and my "faith" is that long after I'm dead, humanity's future lies out there in the stars amongst other life. whether in a Trek way, or more likely in an "Expanse" way, where after centuries colonising the Solar system we discover hints of incredibly advanced alien life (not willing to spoiler one of the best TV shows ever made any more than that).

Mellish · June 2023

@TeleMaster ; I believe that where life *can* get a foothold, it will, simply because what is the evidence that it can't? You call for evidence but it's too early for that.

The other side of the coin, that it doesn't exist on any other planet orbiting any other suitable star in our galaxy (never mind the billions of other galaxies that make up the universe), well that's saying that what happened here can't possibly happen any where else.

Now, I'm not saying this is anything to do with UFOs.

RocknRollDave · June 2023

Thing is, I guess most of us are intrigued by the thought of receiving communications from alien species.
but, think about it: on our planet, we’re surrounded by millions of other species. How much meaningful communication have we received from any of those nevermind species from other planets?

Tannin · June 2023

RocknRollDave said:

Thing is, I guess most of us are intrigued by the thought of receiving communications from alien species.

Never been married then?

RocknRollDave · June 2023

Tannin said:

RocknRollDave said:

Thing is, I guess most of us are intrigued by the thought of receiving communications from alien species.

Never been married then?

All I am prepared to say on the matter is that I am sure my ex-wife and her gf understand each other better than we did…

EDIT: Perhaps I ought to edit my post to say “the thought of receiving INTELLIGENT communication…”…?

darthed1981 · June 2023

RocknRollDave said:

Thing is, I guess most of us are intrigued by the thought of receiving communications from alien species.
but, think about it: on our planet, we’re surrounded by millions of other species. How much meaningful communication have we received from any of those nevermind species from other planets?

Do you have pets?

I'm not being a dick BTW though apologise if it sounds that way - but I know EXACTLY what my Dog is trying to say to me most of the time, and he never says a word.

With people who spend a lot of time in the wild, they communicate with animals. They know when a Bear or Lion doesn't pose a threat, when it REALLY does, when to approach Elephants, when not to, because of communication.

For a sadder story, Whales are intelligent creatures as are Dolphins, and readily communicate with humans, I read a story that actually made me tear up a bit how small whales that we used to kill by the hundreds were friendly and playful when approached - we are fucking dicks, as a species, we really fucking are - sometimes at least.

Sporky · June 2023

Mellish said:

man is still deep in infancy

I'd suggest we don't know how long the human race has, nor how far we'll progress. It's quite possible that we've reached senility already.

Mellish · June 2023

@Sporky ; How long we have is anyone's guess, and that's all it *could* be.

But it's interesting that you mention it because natural disasters (supervolcano eruptions, asteroid/comet impacts), fatal wars/ epidemics. If intelligent extraterrestrials exist, why wouldn'they they face these...catastrophes like we do, and possibly be wiped out?

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