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TeleMaster · May 2022

Shrews said:

Dad and his 9yo son on TalkSport, were there 2 hours before the match and still couldn't get in. They ended up seeing the tear gassing and the panic that unfolded. His lad is still shaking and both in tears on the radio.

Absolute shambles. Full investigation needed, but no matter what the outcome there is no need for indiscriminate tear gas unless it is a last resort to protect against serious injury or major disorder ie rioting. Just completely wrong to throw tear gas near men, women and children, who are little or no threat to the police or authorities.

If any fans were involved in any wrongdoing they should be ashamed. Possibly there were some, but I doubt very much anywhere near the numbers that required the need for tear gas use.

Exactly.

tony99 · May 2022

Wonder why tear gas was used then? Any reasons being given?

mgaw · May 2022

French police English fans

tony99 · May 2022

mgaw said:

French police English fans

No problems at the Madrid end then?

Shrews · May 2022

There was not only issues at the ground but in the fan parks as well. The Real Madrid fan park failed to show the game so the Real Madrid fans tried to get into the Liverpool fan park which obviously didn't go down too well. This was reported by the assistant producer of the TalkSport show who was in the Liverpool fan park.

How can a fan park not show the game?

Philly_Q · May 2022

I heard two journalists on the radio, one who was there covering the build-up to the match and another who I think was there just as a punter. They said some people did attempt to climb fences etc, but the vast majority were legitimate ticket-holders who were there for hours simply waiting to get into the stadium - and ended up getting tear-gassed just for being there.

I didn't see the match, just heard the radio commentary, but it all felt like it was completely overshadowed by the delayed start and the events outside the ground.

CHRISB50 · May 2022

TTony said:

bertie said:

we finished above The Arse, nothing else matters.

Until next season

To be fair, that’s getting a bit predictable now, and hardly an indicator of great things.

I think we should have a more challenging yardstick next season

Silverwear? They aren’t very good at that.

RobDavies · May 2022

Watching the game last night, I notice that the gangways at the Liverpool end were chock full of people standing on the stairs - which would indicate that the seats were full. This says to me that either the police let hundreds in without tickets, or plenty of Liverpool folk managed to ‘jib’ their way in. Seen several videos of Liverpool fans which are fairly damning… although not sure that justifies tear-gassing kids.

I did raise an eyebrow when queuing in the underground tunnel to Kew Bridge station, after the Liverpool game at Brentford last year…. About a dozen large gentlemen with scouse accents barged and pushed their way to the front of the queue - and it was heaving down there, so it took some doing. There’s definitely an element at Liverpool with a “We’ll do what we want and not worry about anyone else - including our own fans” attitude.

menamestom · May 2022

There’s definitely an element at Liverpool with a “We’ll do what we want and not worry about anyone else - including our own fans” attitude.

Yeah probably the same people who have attacked opposing team buses in the last few years. In fact there’s a bit of karma there with the result as the nutters put the window through on the on the Madrid team bus last year.

They made a right mess of the Man City team a few years ago as well. Pity when there’s a minority of fans who spoil things for others - all clubs have them, Liverpool have quite a lot unfortunately.

TeleMaster · May 2022

https://mobile.twitter.com/draper_rob/status/1530830463270518785?t=eDRdHNUQEeU2tvjkp6uIvw&s=08

Good eye witness account from the chief sports writer for the Mail on Sunday.

tony99 · May 2022

RobDavies said:

Watching the game last night, I notice that the gangways at the Liverpool end were chock full of people standing on the stairs - which would indicate that the seats were full. This says to me that either the police let hundreds in without tickets, or plenty of Liverpool folk managed to ‘jib’ their way in. Seen several videos of Liverpool fans which are fairly damning… although not sure that justifies tear-gassing kids.

I did raise an eyebrow when queuing in the underground tunnel to Kew Bridge station, after the Liverpool game at Brentford last year…. About a dozen large gentlemen with scouse accents barged and pushed their way to the front of the queue - and it was heaving down there, so it took some doing. There’s definitely an element at Liverpool with a “We’ll do what we want and not worry about anyone else - including our own fans” attitude.

There's been blag tickets around for a few weeks. Sadly some were even being touted by someone with JFT96 in his twitter handle.

tony99 · May 2022

Bit nasty...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1530819400345038849

wesker123 · May 2022

tony99 said:

Bit nasty...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1530819400345038849

All back to No.10 then.........

tony99 · May 2022

More from last night:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1530828632909877250

TeleMaster · May 2022

tony99 said:

More from last night:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1530828632909877250

Yea, but there's no context to it that is there. There's literally zero information as to what's going on.

Is that the fault of the fan too?

https://mobile.twitter.com/Watch_LFC/status/1530856356663771138?t=bfAaQhyTy9-kaCyqQpjeXg&s=08

DefaultM · May 2022

Did a liverpool fan say a mean word to you when you were a little boy or something? You always seem 2 seconds away from another bitch fit over them and their fans.

TeleMaster · May 2022

DefaultM said:

Did a liverpool fan say a mean word to you when you were a little boy or something? You always seem 2 seconds away from another bitch fit over them and their fans.

Yea I really don't get his angle tbh. Fans getting held up for hours, stuck in huge crowds, dozens of videos of people getting tear gassed including children and there is no condemnation for the tactics of the police or the organisers. We know football fans can be rowdy and aggressive, violence in large crowds is not new, but its clear that this was exacerbated by poor policing and organisation.

tony99 · May 2022

TeleMaster said:

tony99 said:

More from last night:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1530828632909877250

Yea, but there's no context to it that is there. There's literally zero information as to what's going on.

Is that the fault of the fan too?

https://mobile.twitter.com/Watch_LFC/status/1530856356663771138?t=bfAaQhyTy9-kaCyqQpjeXg&s=08

Who knows what went on? Don't see anyone laying any blame do you? I still think it was daft from Klopp encouraging fans to travel without tickets though.

TeleMaster · May 2022

Anyway. I for one hope that we don't get bitchy about this stuff. I'm up for moving on and talking about riridiculous transfer rumours.

CloudNine · May 2022

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CloudNine · May 2022

Please don’t watch isolated clips and assume you know what was going on with all this. I have just arrived home, total miracle I got in the ground, definitely thought I wasn’t getting in, but managed to go via another entrance. And yes I had a ticket, for the avoidance of doubt. Nearly got tear gassed on the way in, got it fully on the way out, for absolutely no reason at all. People just calmly walking away. The organisation was shocking, and exacerbated by being in a very dodgy part of Paris and thousands of locals trying to get near and in the ground. There were many 1000’s of fans with tickets queuing patiently right up to kick off, with gates completely locked and no communication whatsoever. Yes, tempers then got very frayed, but they should never have been put in that position.

This was a total failure of policing and authorities. You need look nowhere else for blame. It is their job to get it right and lives depend on them doing so. If you do get it right, there are no problems. They completely failed to set up a proper perimeter around the ground and way too many people without tickets got near the turnstiles. Very large portion of the people with no tickets being locals. I have been to 5 European Cup finals, and have seen it policed perfectly, such as in Kiev where there was a ring of steel around the ground, zero bother. The one in Athens was a bit more like this Paris one, as the Greek police are completely hopeless. Even I was feeling a bit tense with it all last night, and I don’t scare that easily, can’t imagine how some of the women and young children were feeling. This could have ended a lot worse, there were tunnels they were funnelling fans through which were way too small and they were then halting them, causing overcrowding, and then firing some tear gas in for good measure… Just a complete joke from start to finish.

TeleMaster · May 2022

Probably best to move on from it now mate tbh.

mudslide73 · May 2022

Well done to Forest for getting promoted to the big time. I think they've got some serious investment so should have a chance of establishing themselves. I think Hudds should have had at least one penalty but it just wasn't to be. Roll on August, eh?

TeleMaster · May 2022

mudslide73 said:

Well done to Forest for getting promoted to the big time. I think they've got some serious investment so should have a chance of establishing themselves. I think Hudds should have had at least one penalty but it just wasn't to be. Roll on August, eh?

All these big clubs who've been out for years, like Leeds, Forest are back in the top flight. It's like seeing a hybrid eclipse!

axisus · May 2022

mudslide73 said:

Well done to Forest for getting promoted to the big time. I think they've got some serious investment so should have a chance of establishing themselves. I think Hudds should have had at least one penalty but it just wasn't to be. Roll on August, eh?

Glad Huddersfield lost. The fans were complete arseholes when they beat Luton in the first playoff. Bunch of wankers. Well done Forest!

guitars4you · May 2022

So no VAR in the EFL - But for a match worth millions of £'s the authorities decide to bring it in - Maybe a right/wrong decision - Yet on the day of the match, VAR probably got it right for the first penalty appeal - Yet did not even check the 2nd decision which was a clear penalty

So 8/9 months of the season VAR is not an option - Yet we had the cameras there to make sure the game wasn't spoiled by a bad decision - So the logic of it for one game is ?????????????

axisus · May 2022

Liverpool - disappointing season. Normally 2 trophies would be good, but you have to realign to latter expectation. They were chasing and amazing 4 trophies, but 'only' got two of them, and by far the lesser two. The team were so close to immortality but ultimately failed. Didn't even equal Man U's treble. I'd have felt embarrassed having a parade ....

bloodandtears · May 2022

axisus said:

Liverpool - disappointing season. Normally 2 trophies would be good, but you have to realign to latter expectation. They were chasing and amazing 4 trophies, but 'only' got two of them, and by far the lesser two. The team were so close to immortality but ultimately failed. Didn't even equal Man U's treble. I'd have felt embarrassed having a parade ....

The parade does seem like an anti-climax but as a Spurs fan I would be over-joyed with their season's performance..

Side-note: They need another goalscorer if Mane does leave, they have looked impotent in the big games.. ironically the man for the finals, Origi, was let go.

UnclePsychosis · May 2022

guitars4you said:

So no VAR in the EFL - But for a match worth millions of £'s the authorities decide to bring it in - Maybe a right/wrong decision - Yet on the day of the match, VAR probably got it right for the first penalty appeal - Yet did not even check the 2nd decision which was a clear penalty

So 8/9 months of the season VAR is not an option - Yet we had the cameras there to make sure the game wasn't spoiled by a bad decision - So the logic of it for one game is ?????????????

VAR is a load of shit that's caused more problem then it solves.

Get it in the bin please.

scrumhalf · May 2022

VAR needs a margin of error similar to cricket's umpire's call.

And it also needs the laws of the game to be revised by a committee of people who have been proven, incontrovertibly, not to have their heads stuck up their arses.

Go back to a handball being hand to ball. Go back to penalties that require a foul, not "contact". And go back to goalkeepers being called Bert or Fred, wearing a heavy sweater and a flat cap.

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