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TeleMaster · May 2022

Dele Ali.

TTony · May 2022

TeleMaster said:

Dele Ali.

guitars4you said:

I'm sure there are many examples of a bad transfer deal - But this takes some beating

Are you suggesting @TeleMaster ; - that Everton getting Dele for £0 upfront was a bad deal?

OK, you might have a point.

Wherever did this player go ...

TeleMaster · May 2022

guitars4you said:

I'm sure there are many examples of a bad transfer deal - But this takes some beating

Danny Drinkwater - 35 Mill in 2017 - So a 5 year deal - Granted he was part of the Leicester winning title and in a Leicester team, a good player - But no way was he ever going to be a good player out of Leicester IMO - As someone mentioned earlier, you are sometimes better being a star in your own club and playing at a comfortable ability, as against being a total nothing in a big club - Not sure where he'll go next, but I'm guessing the EFL, if he stays in England - At best, a newly promoted EFL club to the PL and a squad player at that and not on a big deal (ie Forest/Huddersfield)

I didn't realise the ins and outs. It may be that they never have to pay anything for him!

TeleMaster · May 2022

Champions League final day!

I'll be rooting for Liverpool.

Two of the best teams in the world, both CL royalty, both super attacking teams with entertaining styles of play. What's your prediction?

I'm thinking 3-2 Liverpool.

guitars4you · May 2022

TeleMaster said:

Champions League final day!

I'll be rooting for Liverpool.

Two of the best teams in the world, both CL royalty, both super attacking teams with entertaining styles of play. What's your prediction?

I'm thinking 3-2 Liverpool.

Likewise I'll be rooting for LFC - I would love to see an open, full on game - That RM v Citeh game in the semi's was awesome, so more of that - In fact RM v Chelski and PSG was good

Looking fwd to a great game

TeleMaster · May 2022

guitars4you said:

TeleMaster said:

Champions League final day!

I'll be rooting for Liverpool.

Two of the best teams in the world, both CL royalty, both super attacking teams with entertaining styles of play. What's your prediction?

I'm thinking 3-2 Liverpool.

Likewise I'll be rooting for LFC - I would love to see an open, full on game - That RM v Citeh game in the semi's was awesome, so more of that - In fact RM v Chelski and PSG was good

Looking fwd to a great game

Yea same. It has the hallmarks of a classic!

tony99 · May 2022

TeleMaster said:

Champions League final day!

I'll be rooting for Liverpool.

Two of the best teams in the world, both CL royalty, both super attacking teams with entertaining styles of play. What's your prediction?

I'm thinking 3-2 Liverpool.

Got to hope Real can do it given they've spent so much less than Liverpool. They're up against it but they can probably pull it off. Hala Madrid!

DesVegas · May 2022

I'm hoping Liverpool are well rested as they looked bloody knackard in the f.a. cup final.

Robertson to score the winning goal (and that's only because I can't spell Van Dijke)

TTony · May 2022

I think/hope Liverpool do it.

Unless Bale comes on as a second half sub...

guitars4you · May 2022

DesVegas said:

I'm hoping Liverpool are well rested as they looked bloody knackard in the f.a. cup final.

Robertson to score the winning goal (and that's only because I can't spell Van Dijke)

VVD will do - saves the issue of learning to spell - As a side note surely his team mates call him Dick - Or are they to young to know about Mary Poppins

Philly_Q · May 2022

guitars4you said:

DesVegas said:

I'm hoping Liverpool are well rested as they looked bloody knackard in the f.a. cup final.

Robertson to score the winning goal (and that's only because I can't spell Van Dijke)

VVD will do - saves the issue of learning to spell - As a side note surely his team mates call him Dick - Or are they to young to know about Mary Poppins

James Milner would get that joke. But nobody else would.

guitars4you · May 2022

tony99 said:

TeleMaster said:

Champions League final day!

I'll be rooting for Liverpool.

Two of the best teams in the world, both CL royalty, both super attacking teams with entertaining styles of play. What's your prediction?

I'm thinking 3-2 Liverpool.

Got to hope Real can do it given they've spent so much less than Liverpool. They're up against it but they can probably pull it off. Hala Madrid!

Don't think this can be considered excessive - Not sure how it stacks up v Real Madrid and indeed other top PL clubs

Jurgen Klopp since October 2015 - Net Spend: £132,950,000

43 Players Bought: £549,050,000

44 Players Sold: £416,100,000

UnclePsychosis · May 2022

I do love the "Liverpool haven't spent lots of money" chat.

Putting aside the small matter of the £70m goalkeeper and the £75m centre half (who earns £220k a week), Liverpool fans claiming to be the biggest and bestest club in the whole world whilst simultaneously pretending to be plucky underdogs is quite entertaining, if nothing else.

guitars4you · May 2022

Maybe to late to mention it now, as nearly 1/2 time - But come on Grimsby - national League Play Off semi final - My mum's home town and I still have many family/cousins etc over there

Philly_Q · May 2022

UnclePsychosis said:

I do love the "Liverpool haven't spent lots of money" chat.

Putting aside the small matter of the £70m goalkeeper and the £75m centre half (who earns £220k a week), Liverpool fans claiming to be the biggest and bestest club in the whole world whilst simultaneously pretending to be plucky underdogs is quite entertaining, if nothing else.

It seems to me that fans of all the big clubs think all the other big clubs have "bought their success".

UnclePsychosis · May 2022

Philly_Q said:

UnclePsychosis said:

I do love the "Liverpool haven't spent lots of money" chat.

Putting aside the small matter of the £70m goalkeeper and the £75m centre half (who earns £220k a week), Liverpool fans claiming to be the biggest and bestest club in the whole world whilst simultaneously pretending to be plucky underdogs is quite entertaining, if nothing else.

It seems to me that fans of all the big clubs think all the other big clubs have "bought their success".

Yep. The reality of course is that they all have, because that's how professional sports work.

One of the things I detest the most about all of these big clubs is the pretence that they're somehow special. The reality is that they're all the same.

guitars4you · May 2022

Philly_Q said:

UnclePsychosis said:

I do love the "Liverpool haven't spent lots of money" chat.

Putting aside the small matter of the £70m goalkeeper and the £75m centre half (who earns £220k a week), Liverpool fans claiming to be the biggest and bestest club in the whole world whilst simultaneously pretending to be plucky underdogs is quite entertaining, if nothing else.

It seems to me that fans of all the big clubs think all the other big clubs have "bought their success".

I have mixed emotions on this - Whilst 70M for a keeper and 75M for VVD is big money - Both were just about paid for with the revenue from Coutinho - But there is more skill in finding the likes of VVD for 11M or so, as Soton did, as against having a bigger cheque book than others - The former approach is good scouting - The latter is more 'vulgar' in some ways

I've said before that I like the Ajax model, of finding/developing etc - But they will never be able to hang on to such talent, playing in such a small league - For every Foden that comes out of a youth academy and as an overview such finds are small in the PL, in the main, the big clubs want/demand instant success, so a spend spend spend policy often dictates policy over 'nurturing' youth - For every R Giggs, S Gerrard, that comes out of the youth set-up, the big spend on players from other clubs is basically par for the course - And I dare say the ability to 'purchase success' will remain so until funding changes - Look at Barca now and they are seriously skint - Will be interesting to see what the PL do shortly about Everton and their excessive losses

tony99 · May 2022

guitars4you said:

tony99 said:

TeleMaster said:

Champions League final day!

I'll be rooting for Liverpool.

Two of the best teams in the world, both CL royalty, both super attacking teams with entertaining styles of play. What's your prediction?

I'm thinking 3-2 Liverpool.

Got to hope Real can do it given they've spent so much less than Liverpool. They're up against it but they can probably pull it off. Hala Madrid!

Don't think this can be considered excessive - Not sure how it stacks up v Real Madrid and indeed other top PL clubs
Jurgen Klopp since October 2015 - Net Spend: £132,950,000
43 Players Bought: £549,050,000
44 Players Sold: £416,100,000

If you don't know how it "stacks up" then what was your point in posting it? It's meaningless without context no?

guitars4you · May 2022

tony99 said:

guitars4you said:

tony99 said:

TeleMaster said:

Champions League final day!

I'll be rooting for Liverpool.

Two of the best teams in the world, both CL royalty, both super attacking teams with entertaining styles of play. What's your prediction?

I'm thinking 3-2 Liverpool.

Got to hope Real can do it given they've spent so much less than Liverpool. They're up against it but they can probably pull it off. Hala Madrid!

Don't think this can be considered excessive - Not sure how it stacks up v Real Madrid and indeed other top PL clubs
Jurgen Klopp since October 2015 - Net Spend: £132,950,000
43 Players Bought: £549,050,000
44 Players Sold: £416,100,000

If you don't know how it "stacks up" then what was your point in posting it? It's meaningless without context no?

Sorry - I see where you are coming from, as a direct LFC v RM on net spend - I was looking/replying more as a 'global' figure, when you look at the net spend of other European big clubs and indeed many PL clubs - PL wise, then LFC net spend is considerably below that of other top 4/5/6 clubs, whilst the likes of Wolves, Everton, West Ham, Villa and even Brighton, all have a similar net spend to LFC over the last few years

Will be interesting to see how Newcastle's net spend will progress over the next 3-5 years and what siverware it might bring in and/or visits to the CL

bertie · May 2022

we finished above The Arse, nothing else matters.

Until next season

TTony · May 2022

bertie said:

we finished above The Arse, nothing else matters.

Until next season

To be fair, that’s getting a bit predictable now, and hardly an indicator of great things.

I think we should have a more challenging yardstick next season

tony99 · May 2022

Not looking good outside the Stade at the minute. For all the people licking klopp's arse, him condoning people to go to Paris without tickets was a very bad idea.

TeleMaster · May 2022

tony99 said:

Not looking good outside the Stade at the minute. For all the people licking klopp's arse, him condoning people to go to Paris without tickets was a very bad idea.

I don't think it's Klopp's fault if the authorities don't know how to manage large groups of people and act like absolute scum by tear gassing children and families.

If people wanna go and support their team they should.

tony99 · May 2022

TeleMaster said:

tony99 said:

Not looking good outside the Stade at the minute. For all the people licking klopp's arse, him condoning people to go to Paris without tickets was a very bad idea.

I don't think it's Klopp's fault if the authorities don't know how to manage large groups of people and end up tear gassing children like absolute scum.

If people wanna go and support their team they should.

Not sure about that mate. People turning up at a stadium without tickets?

TeleMaster · May 2022

tony99 said:

TeleMaster said:

tony99 said:

Not looking good outside the Stade at the minute. For all the people licking klopp's arse, him condoning people to go to Paris without tickets was a very bad idea.

I don't think it's Klopp's fault if the authorities don't know how to manage large groups of people and end up tear gassing children like absolute scum.

If people wanna go and support their team they should.

Not sure about that mate. People turning up at a stadium without tickets?

Unless they're trying to break in en masse it's fairly normal for people to go to stadiums because they have fan parks/zones at new, modern stadiums. There's one at the London, Wembley etc. 10K Hammers turned up for West Ham v Sevilla and just congregated outside the ground.

The authorities started pepper spraying people including families and children indiscriminately, people who actually had tickets too. So there's no way I'm gonna have that. It's indefensible. It's their responsibility to ensure that things are safe for people in these situations, and they very much seem to have screwed this one up.

Anyway, controversies aside, Liverpool are bossing this game.

tony99 · May 2022

TeleMaster said:

tony99 said:

TeleMaster said:

tony99 said:

Not looking good outside the Stade at the minute. For all the people licking klopp's arse, him condoning people to go to Paris without tickets was a very bad idea.

I don't think it's Klopp's fault if the authorities don't know how to manage large groups of people and end up tear gassing children like absolute scum.

If people wanna go and support their team they should.

Not sure about that mate. People turning up at a stadium without tickets?

Unless they're trying to break in en masse

Er yeah about that.

Enjoy your game and maybe do a bit of research on what's happening inside and outside the stands later on. Plenty of vids doing the rounds.

TeleMaster · May 2022

tony99 said:

TeleMaster said:

tony99 said:

TeleMaster said:

tony99 said:

Not looking good outside the Stade at the minute. For all the people licking klopp's arse, him condoning people to go to Paris without tickets was a very bad idea.

I don't think it's Klopp's fault if the authorities don't know how to manage large groups of people and end up tear gassing children like absolute scum.

If people wanna go and support their team they should.

Not sure about that mate. People turning up at a stadium without tickets?

Unless they're trying to break in en masse

Er yeah about that.

Enjoy your game and maybe do a bit of research on what's happening inside and outside the stands later on. Plenty of vids doing the rounds.

I have done my research. It's all very much inconclusive right now.

There are plenty of people saying that this escalated because there were no signs so people didn't know where to go, no stewards and the gates weren't working so people were stuck at the gates for hours and eventually got frustrated because of the huge crowds and started to climb over. What if people were being crushed? Why are people so quick to blame the fans when the organisation of this event appears to be quite poor?

It's the responsibility of the organisers to ensure that things are safe for people in these situations, and at the very least, it seems clear they very much seem to have screwed this one up.

TeleMaster · May 2022

I guess you can never bet against Madrid.

tony99 · May 2022

So liverpool "win" 2 cups without scoring in any final? Overrated.

Well done to Madrid. Stay safe Paris.

Shrews · May 2022

Dad and his 9yo son on TalkSport, were there 2 hours before the match and still couldn't get in. They ended up seeing the tear gassing and the panic that unfolded. His lad is still shaking and both in tears on the radio.

Absolute shambles. Full investigation needed, but no matter what the outcome there is no need for indiscriminate tear gas unless it is a last resort to protect against serious injury or major disorder ie rioting. Just completely wrong to throw tear gas near men, women and children, who are little or no threat to the police or authorities.

If any fans were involved in any wrongdoing they should be ashamed. Possibly there were some, but I doubt very much anywhere near the numbers that required the need for tear gas use.

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