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UNPLANNED DOWNTIME: 12th Oct 23:45

Should we get rid of Facepalms?

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monquixotemonquixote Frets: 17108
As I'm sure most of you have noticed one of the things that makes theFB different from most forums is our "Reactions" system.

This allows you to mark a post with one of several labels. My impression is that in general they have been well received and we've tried to ensure that they are unobtrusive for those who feel they are a bit too web 2.0 for their liking.
The exception to this is the "Facepalm" status which has been mentioned a couple of times in the Feedback section. 

My intention with this feature was that it would provide a method to indicate when someone was being a bit daft in an anonymous and lighthearted way. Some of the feedback we have received is that it's effect might instead be to discourage debate and encourage bullying. 

In the spirit of "By the community, for the community" that we want to foster here, I'm throwing the question open to the floor. 

Should we get rid of facepalms?

If the consensus is yes then we will remove it and replace it with either a "Thanks" or "Agree" button. 
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  • vizviz Frets: 10211
    I like facepalms. I wish I had more of them.
    Paul_C said: People never read the signature bit.
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  • monquixotemonquixote Frets: 17108
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    viz said:
    I like facepalms. I wish I had more of them.
    Shazam!
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  • bigjonbigjon Frets: 680

    If the consensus is yes then we will remove it and replace it with . . . "Agree" button. 
    This gets my vote
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  • DeijavooDeijavoo Frets: 3275
    FACEPALMS.  They must stay.
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  • spacecadetspacecadet Frets: 671
    I look at the face palm as exactly what you said, lighthearted and a bit of a laugh. Anyone that takes it personally should either grow up or grow a pair. With that said, if anyone dares to face palm me http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af135/roscoe2911/11E10273-82E7-49F5-B8DE-F63ADD3509E9-3706-00000295C23323B8_zps48706e00.jpg
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  • vizviz Frets: 10211
    viz said:
    I like facepalms. I wish I had more of them.
    Shazam!

    Lol :)
    Paul_C said: People never read the signature bit.
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  • thumpingrugthumpingrug Frets: 2803
    I look at the face palm as exactly what you said, lighthearted and a bit of a laugh. Anyone that takes it personally should either grow up or grow a pair. With that said, if anyone dares to face palm me http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af135/roscoe2911/11E10273-82E7-49F5-B8DE-F63ADD3509E9-3706-00000295C23323B8_zps48706e00.jpg
    Its tempting, but I'm probably quite easy to find so LOL

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  • thumpingrugthumpingrug Frets: 2803
    bigjon said:

    If the consensus is yes then we will remove it and replace it with . . . "Agree" button. 
    This gets my vote
    And mine

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  • Someone's given one to me. Given that I never say anything that isn't entirely sensible, they need to go....
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 24852
    I don't mind them, but would prefer an agree button given the option.
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  • vizviz Frets: 10211
    edited August 2013
    Agree. The icon could look like this: +1
    Paul_C said: People never read the signature bit.
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  • dindudedindude Frets: 8409
    edited August 2013
    Could we not replace facepalm with a button named "twat". That would be fun. Seriously though, I don't mind facepalm, you need balance. I would then replace Wisdom with +1, as there is some crossover between the two but I think +1 makes more sense to most people.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 69426
    edited August 2013
    I like the facepalm.

    The only problem is that you can't give a Lol and a facepalm to the same post. Some deserve both :).

    You can't give yourself a facepalm either... you should really be able to.

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  • Col_DeckerCol_Decker Frets: 2188
    I like 'em and I look forward to getting many many more

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  • I like them. I've always wanted an "unlike" or "dislike" button on Facebook. This is ours.  I think that it's unlikely to turn into bullying - within this community anyhow -  and I'd say only remove it if that DOES happen rather than based on speculation that it might happen.


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  • wordywordy Frets: 67

    I have seen the 'thanks' and 'groan' and 'rep' buttons almost ruin another forum I was on, so I did wonder about ours when I saw them.

    On that forum, you had a handful of sad people who really wanted to be 'thanked' and given 'reputation' (they really do exist), and so would just post all the time, meaning the forum became dominated by exactly the people you'd rather it wasnt.

    I'd also say there was a bit of bullying at some stage - and sometimes on this forum there is debate on proper stuff that people care about, and I wonder if anyone with a different opinion will just get utterly 'facepalmed' to death.

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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 25239
    bigjon said:

    If the consensus is yes then we will remove it and replace it with . . . "Agree" button. 
    This gets my vote
    And mine
    Likewise.
    <space for hire>
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  • jaygtrjaygtr Frets: 218
    edited August 2013
    digitalscream;9853" said:
    thumpingrug said:



    bigjon said:



    monquixote said:

    If the consensus is yes then we will remove it and replace it with . . . "Agree" button. 





    This gets my vote





    And mine





    Likewise.
    Me too

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  • JalapenoJalapeno Frets: 6284
    Where's the politeness gone ?

    Free the THANKS !!!!!!!!!!
    Imagine something sharp and witty here ......

    Feedback
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 25239
    Jalapeno said:
    Where's the politeness gone ?
    Let me introduce you to the Internet :D
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  • JalapenoJalapeno Frets: 6284
    But we aspire to be different !

    Imagine something sharp and witty here ......

    Feedback
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  • LongtallronnieLongtallronnie Frets: 1179
    edited August 2013

    I like the facepalm button and I think most seem to be using it as intended without any malice. If it starts getting nasty then get rid but let's not turn into a bunch of whiny bitches just yet eh? :o3

    Self facepalming should be allowed though.

    #-o 
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 15603
    As I am not 13 I don't really understand the facepalm so I am ignoring it anyway.
    I’ll handle this Violet, you take your three hour break. 
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  • VimFuegoVimFuego Frets: 14862
    I think I would tend to agree with the possibility that they could be used for bullying, and I have wondered why some guys on here seem to have managed to pick up so many (one advantage of having no friends is I'm not aware of any various cliques). Sadly, on other forums I've been on they also got rid of the neg rep system. On one I go to infrequently you are limited to how much neg rep a day you can give, but I'm not sure that makes a difference.

    I'm not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with me.

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  • dafuzzdafuzz Frets: 1522
    I like it and think it should stay, but I want a 'Thanks' button and 'Agree' button as well. Are we limited to just 4?
    All practice and no theory
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  • TimmyOTimmyO Frets: 6976
    imho the most effective thing is a simple cred/karma system with a single "+1" type count of how many times a user has had a thumbs up.

    I won't lose any sleep over it though :-) 
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 25239
    edited August 2013
    dafuzz said:
    I like it and think it should stay, but I want a 'Thanks' button and 'Agree' button as well. Are we limited to just 4?
    I believe we are limited to 4 in the plugin - it'd take some development to add another, but the problem we'll then have is too many options under a post.

    The thing is, we're using the overall "Frets" score as a measure of somebody's reputation in place of post count, yet the way it's set up a facepalm (whether intended humorously or not) negatively affects that score. How about we just don't let the facepalm take away from the fret score (ie it has zero effect)?

    It strikes me that's the best of all worlds.

    Also, just to throw another option in the mix...the Wow! button seems a little redundant to me (ie I've seen very, very few posts on any forum which would induce such a boggled state of mind that I'd find myself looking for "Wow!" instead of "Like") - how about making that one the "Agree!" or "Like!" instead of changing the facepalm?
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  • dafuzzdafuzz Frets: 1522

    Also, just to throw another option in the mix...the Wow! button seems a little redundant to me (ie I've seen very, very few posts on any forum which would induce such a boggled state of mind that I'd find myself looking for "Wow!" instead of "Like") - how about making that one the "Agree!" or "Like!" instead of changing the facepalm?
    I both Like and Agree with this
    All practice and no theory
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  • JalapenoJalapeno Frets: 6284

    The thing is, we're using the overall "Frets" score as a measure of somebody's reputation in place of post count, yet the way it's set up a facepalm (whether intended humorously or not) negatively affects that score. How about we just don't let the facepalm take away from the fret score (ie it has zero effect)?

    Psst - that's how it is already working ;)
    Imagine something sharp and witty here ......

    Feedback
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 25239
    Jalapeno said:

    The thing is, we're using the overall "Frets" score as a measure of somebody's reputation in place of post count, yet the way it's set up a facepalm (whether intended humorously or not) negatively affects that score. How about we just don't let the facepalm take away from the fret score (ie it has zero effect)?

    Psst - that's how it is already working ;)
    Well, I just facepalmed you and your score went from 20 to 19 ;)
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