R8 Peach Deal

roberty · September 2018

dbphoto said:

poopot said:

dbphoto said:

This thread has now entered some weird parallel universe.

Second hand guitars being listed as new!?

Anyone giving a monkeys about a few mm when it comes to scale length!?

Play one with the correct vintage scale length!...

there is a load of difference... more space above the 12th fret for a start!...

If you care about such things then fair play to you. I dare say there are plenty of things I care about that would be irrelevant to you.

FWIW I didn’t buy mine due to any of the historic accuracy stuff as I really couldn’t care less.

I bought it simply because I liked the look of it and at the discounted price it was too good for me to ignore.

I couldn't give a monkeys about plastics, ABR vs Nashville, etc etc, it's just an astonishingly good guitar to me. 50's wiring out the box is pretty nice though :-)

Edit: I also like how the carve/neck angle allows the tailpiece to be screwed down tight

guitars4you · September 2018

WezV said:

guitars4you said:

WezV said:

poopot said:

How can these be a true reissue if Gibson don’t use the actual vintage fret scale?

surely that’s just makes them a modern “les Paul”...

I agree. It would be an easy thing to get right with modern manufacturing and would be a good distinction for a historic reissue

valid point, but ref Fender Custom Shop vintage replicas, very few are ever built with small frets and a 7.25" fingerboard radius - in fact you can have a 50's neck shape on a 60's model or vice versa and ditto 50's pick-ups on a 60's model as required - Yet always accepted as a 'vintage replica' - Granted this all goes with in a Custom Shop banner and as the name suggest (Custom Shop) then it allows for custom options - Maybe also as Fender Guitars are effectively a 'Mecano' style contraptions built out of a host of components then it goes with the territory of cut and suit as required

i don't think its the same thing. That Fender will be advertised with the radius and fret size clearly stated. They have mixed them up, but the spec is always clear

Gibson will focus on being more historically accurate than ever... "now with more accurate plastic" etc.. whilst ignoring the scale length issue altogether.

edit - vid for those interested in how gibson scale lengths can be odd

yes see what you mean - each individual Fender, whatever spec it has, has a travel sheet plan available for it - Gibson have ducked n dived and changed so much, so many times, with very little open info available

crunchman · September 2018

roberty said:

I couldn't give a monkeys about plastics, ABR vs Nashville, etc etc, it's just an astonishingly good guitar to me. 50's wiring out the box is pretty nice though :-)

Edit: I also like how the carve/neck angle allows the tailpiece to be screwed down tight

Believe it or not ABR vs Nashville does make a difference. I put a Nashville on my previous LP for while. The neck angle wasn't great, so the bridge was very high up and was moving on top of the posts. The Nashville sat on there more solidly but it didn't sound as good. When I put the ABR on again, it definitely sounded better.

Thankfully, the one I've just bought doesn't have the neck angle issue.

poopot · September 2018

dbphoto said:

poopot said:

dbphoto said:

This thread has now entered some weird parallel universe.

Second hand guitars being listed as new!?

Anyone giving a monkeys about a few mm when it comes to scale length!?

Play one with the correct vintage scale length!...

there is a load of difference... more space above the 12th fret for a start!...

If you care about such things then fair play to you. I dare say there are plenty of things I care about that would be irrelevant to you.

FWIW I didn’t buy mine due to any of the historic accuracy stuff as I really couldn’t care less.

I bought it simply because I liked the look of it and at the discounted price it was too good for me to ignore.

Im not knocking anyone for buying one at all... a good guitar is a good guitar at the end of the day... I have issue with Gibson calling it a reissue when its not!...

Ive had (and got rid of) more than a few LP's over the years... cant get on with them at all... but, as soon as I played one with the vintage scale length it made sense...

Now, if Gibson did one they can have whatever's in my bank account!

Danielsguitars · September 2018

poopot said:

dbphoto said:

poopot said:

Now, if Gibson did one they can have whatever's in my bank account!

I'll gladly clear your bank account

poopot · September 2018

customkits said:

poopot said:

dbphoto said:

poopot said:

Now, if Gibson did one they can have whatever's in my bank account!

I'll gladly clear your bank account

If it’s anything like the special then TAKE MY MONEY NOW

roberty · September 2018

crunchman said:

roberty said:

I couldn't give a monkeys about plastics, ABR vs Nashville, etc etc, it's just an astonishingly good guitar to me. 50's wiring out the box is pretty nice though :-)

Edit: I also like how the carve/neck angle allows the tailpiece to be screwed down tight

Believe it or not ABR vs Nashville does make a difference. I put a Nashville on my previous LP for while. The neck angle wasn't great, so the bridge was very high up and was moving on top of the posts. The Nashville sat on there more solidly but it didn't sound as good. When I put the ABR on again, it definitely sounded better.

Thankfully, the one I've just bought doesn't have the neck angle issue.

That's interesting. Do you think the bushings are an impediment? Makes me a bit nervous having to adjust something screwed right into the cap. Seems too important to thread. I suppose the originals are still knocking about and playable

terada · September 2018

Musicman20 said:

Twinfan said:

Not seen anything of the Iced Tea or the other two Dirty Lemons from Peach have we?

Mine is due tomorrow but I doubt I'll get much time on it until Sunday. (Iced Tea)

Really looking forward to yours coming in, it looked like a belter

terada · September 2018

peachguitarsdotcom said:

Hattigol said:

Never mind this. @peachguitarsdotcom where are these black over gold LPs you promised us at £1,299?

You mean £299?! ha

Put me down for 5

roberty · September 2018

terada said:

peachguitarsdotcom said:

Hattigol said:

Never mind this. @peachguitarsdotcom where are these black over gold LPs you promised us at £1,299?

You mean £299?! ha

Put me down for 5

Be honest, you're going to flip them, aren't you

Fifty9 · September 2018

poopot said:

Can you describe the difference the scale length made?

poopot · September 2018

@customkits will be better to placed to describe the technical difference... but... from a practical point of actually playing, there is more space between frets up the dusty end... or that is how it appears to me (and a few other folk that have played them).

roberty · September 2018

poopot said:

@customkits will be better to placed to describe the technical difference... but... from a practical point of actually playing, there is more space between frets up the dusty end... or that is how it appears to me (and a few other folk that have played them).

So there's more space at the top but the bottom is the same?

poopot · September 2018

roberty said:

poopot said:

@customkits will be better to placed to describe the technical difference... but... from a practical point of actually playing, there is more space between frets up the dusty end... or that is how it appears to me (and a few other folk that have played them).

So there's more space at the top but the bottom is the same?

Different all the way along the neck.

WezV · September 2018

roberty said:

poopot said:

@customkits will be better to placed to describe the technical difference... but... from a practical point of actually playing, there is more space between frets up the dusty end... or that is how it appears to me (and a few other folk that have played them).

So there's more space at the top but the bottom is the same?

found this image - not totally accurate in the comments, but the maths is okay.

the two comments at the end ignore compensation, which you need less of on a rule of 18 instrument. in fact many early guitars didn't have any compensation at all, the rule of 18 provided enough to each fret position to make it work

WezV · September 2018

there are also stories of worn out tools, periods of inaccurate measurement, different maths being used above and below the 12th fret etc....

its a fun topic

Danielsguitars · September 2018

WezV said:

roberty said:

poopot said:

@customkits will be better to placed to describe the technical difference... but... from a practical point of actually playing, there is more space between frets up the dusty end... or that is how it appears to me (and a few other folk that have played them).

So there's more space at the top but the bottom is the same?

found this image - not totally accurate in the comments, but the maths is okay.

the two comments at the end ignore compensation, which you need less of on a rule of 18 instrument. in fact many early guitars didn't have any compensation at all, the rule of 18 provided enough to each fret position to make it work

That's far too scientific for me Wez, i just know it works really well and that's the only scale i use on my short scale builds

Danielsguitars · September 2018

poopot said:

@customkits will be better to placed to describe the technical difference... but... from a practical point of actually playing, there is more space between frets up the dusty end... or that is how it appears to me (and a few other folk that have played them).

The technical difference is the old one is better, i really don't get technically bogged down in any of this stuff, the old ones used it and they sound good to me, it's the only one i use and i had custom made fret scale templates made, i have 2 more being made so i can cut inlays and fret without removing the board

They do feel different to play for me as poopot said there seems to be more space above the 12th fret and possibly why the old ones sound a bit different too

This is a whole different subject and may not be wanted in this thread

WezV · September 2018

I agree it’s probably best suited to a new thread... might get technical though.

Most obviously don’t need to consider that maths. No-one really does now there are so many things that do it for you.

roberty · September 2018

Honestly this thread is a rollercoaster

Fifty9 · September 2018

Is it time to measure & compare our nuts with calipers yet??

roberty · September 2018

Fifty9 said:

Is it time to measure & compare our nuts with calipers yet??

I beg your pardon?

WezV · September 2018

Fifty9 said:

Is it time to measure & compare our nuts with calipers yet??

Why not. No different to you all weighing them with and without the daft switch covers

nut width is fairly crucial to feel

JerkMoans · September 2018

Fifty9 said:

Is it time to measure & compare our nuts with calipers yet??

Is it Friday, already?

poopot · September 2018

Vintage scale on the left... modern scale on the right...

skikdi53 · September 2018

This Morning, chat with GG, and oh surprised when i ask for a 58 DL, that they have one in Camden, the guy just send me a pic, i said, i want it.
Hope this time will not have a bad experience like my first one with Richtone.
[URL=https://www.casimages.com/i/180928120411892682.png.html][IMG]https://nsa39.casimages.com/img/2018/09/28/180928120411892682.png[/IMG][/URL]

Fortheloveofguitar · September 2018

skikdi53 said:

This Morning, chat with GG, and oh surprised when i ask for a 58 DL, that they have one in Camden, the guy just send me a pic, i said, i want it.
Hope this time will not have a bad experience like my first one with Richtone.
[URL=https://www.casimages.com/i/180928120411892682.png.html][IMG]https://nsa39.casimages.com/img/2018/09/28/180928120411892682.png[/IMG][/URL]

Nice one buddy that’s a great score and pleased you got one

Jalapeno · September 2018

skikdi53 said:

This Morning, chat with GG, and oh surprised when i ask for a 58 DL, that they have one in Camden, the guy just send me a pic, i said, i want it.
Hope this time will not have a bad experience like my first one with Richtone.
[URL=https://www.casimages.com/i/180928120411892682.png.html][IMG]https://nsa39.casimages.com/img/2018/09/28/180928120411892682.png[/IMG][/URL]

lovely !

Fortheloveofguitar · September 2018

Still haven’t sold any yet though

skikdi53 · September 2018

Thank's.
GG have a good Customer service, just called them cause i payed with paypal and the exchange fees seems to be high, so they canceled my order after Registered my card number and they send me a mail with the link to buy the guitar.
Very happy.

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