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crunchman · September 2018

terada said:

guitars4you said:

WezV said:

poopot said:

How can these be a true reissue if Gibson don’t use the actual vintage fret scale?

surely that’s just makes them a modern “les Paul”...

I agree. It would be an easy thing to get right with modern manufacturing and would be a good distinction for a historic reissue

valid point, but ref Fender Custom Shop vintage replicas, very few are ever built with small frets and a 7.25" fingerboard radius - in fact you can have a 50's neck shape on a 60's model or vice versa and ditto 50's pick-ups on a 60's model as required - Yet always accepted as a 'vintage replica' - Granted this all goes with in a Custom Shop banner and as the name suggest (Custom Shop) then it allows for custom options - Maybe also as Fender Guitars are effectively a 'Mecano' style contraptions built out of a host of components then it goes with the territory of cut and suit as required

Would you say then that the AVRI line (or whatever it is called now) would be the most accurate fender 'reissue' type?

The AVRI was pretty accurate, but the new American Original is not. It has 9.5" radius fingerboards and taller frets. Some may regard that as an improvement, although I quite like 7.25" radius boards.

The "Lacquer" version of the Mexican Classic series might be most historically available at the moment, as most Custom Shop guitars have 9.5" radius.

https://www.gak.co.uk/en/fender-classic-series-50s-telecaster-lacquer-white-blonde/82593?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlpLjl5vb3QIVDbTtCh0-8wkEEAQYASABEgK1jvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

https://www.pmtonline.co.uk/fender-classic-series-60s-stratocaster-lacquer-pf-3-colour-sunburst?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy9uxpZvb3QIVBLXtCh11cQZiEAYYASABEgILVvD_BwE

The 60's models have Pau Ferro boards rather than rosewood though, so nigh on impossible to get a vintage accurate 60's reissue from Fender. You do always have the option of ordering a Custom Shop one though, but nothing off the shelf.

terada · September 2018

crunchman said:

terada said:

guitars4you said:

WezV said:

poopot said:

How can these be a true reissue if Gibson don’t use the actual vintage fret scale?

surely that’s just makes them a modern “les Paul”...

I agree. It would be an easy thing to get right with modern manufacturing and would be a good distinction for a historic reissue

valid point, but ref Fender Custom Shop vintage replicas, very few are ever built with small frets and a 7.25" fingerboard radius - in fact you can have a 50's neck shape on a 60's model or vice versa and ditto 50's pick-ups on a 60's model as required - Yet always accepted as a 'vintage replica' - Granted this all goes with in a Custom Shop banner and as the name suggest (Custom Shop) then it allows for custom options - Maybe also as Fender Guitars are effectively a 'Mecano' style contraptions built out of a host of components then it goes with the territory of cut and suit as required

Would you say then that the AVRI line (or whatever it is called now) would be the most accurate fender 'reissue' type?

The AVRI was pretty accurate, but the new American Original is not. It has 9.5" radius fingerboards and taller frets. Some may regard that as an improvement, although I quite like 7.25" radius boards.
The "Lacquer" version of the Mexican Classic series might be most historically available at the moment, as most Custom Shop guitars have 9.5" radius.
https://www.gak.co.uk/en/fender-classic-series-50s-telecaster-lacquer-white-blonde/82593?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlpLjl5vb3QIVDbTtCh0-8wkEEAQYASABEgK1jvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
https://www.pmtonline.co.uk/fender-classic-series-60s-stratocaster-lacquer-pf-3-colour-sunburst?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy9uxpZvb3QIVBLXtCh11cQZiEAYYASABEgILVvD_BwE
The 60's models have Pau Ferro boards rather than rosewood though, so nigh on impossible to get a vintage accurate 60's reissue from Fender. You do always have the option of ordering a Custom Shop one though, but nothing off the shelf.

Thanks @crunchman . I have an AVRI from 2011 I think so am more curious than anything else. I too like a 7.25 radius board.

In a sense then the Fender custom shop operates more as an actual custom shop where anything goes, rather than Gibson whose custom shop really acts more as another 'better quality (I'm sure this could be debated)' company giving people the most accurate version of the classic designs.

Jonathanthomas83 · September 2018

TimmyO said:

Jonathanthomas83 said:

For those feeling honest. Please tell me the results of this little test...

Play a C on the D string (10th fret), let it ring out.
Then play C on the B string (1st fret), let it ring out.
Then play C on the G string (5th fret), let it ring out.

Can you tell me if the fretted note on the G string dies out a lot quicker than those on the other strings?

If you go looking for things like this you'll drive yourself nuts over something that will be similar on many guitars all of which sound great when playing music

Good advice, you're right.

guitars4you · September 2018

terada said:

In a sense then the Fender custom shop operates more as an actual custom shop where anything goes, rather than Gibson whose custom shop really acts more as another 'better quality (I'm sure this could be debated)' company giving people the most accurate version of the classic designs.

effectively correct - Yet none can use Braz rosewood which was part of both products during certain periods of their golden era

fretfinder · September 2018

Twinfan said: If you buy bankrupt stock from a guitar shop and sell it on eBay you would sell them as "brand new" would you not? You're not the original supplying dealer but it's still a new product.

But in that case the products are brand new, they’ve never been sold to a customer, they’re not used or second hand.

That’s completely different from a guitar that was sold by a dealer to a punter, and the punter then decides to resell it. At that point it is a used/second hand instrument, as @guitarsforyou and others have already eloquently stated.

Twinfan · September 2018

The guitar may be second/third/fourth hand but it could still be "brand new". Like I said, it's a description of the condition of the item and it's nothing to do with how many times it's changed hands or if it was sold via a dealer/customer sale

terada · September 2018

Surely 105 pages and 88k views must be a record?

not_the_dj · September 2018

terada said:

Surely 105 pages and 88k views must be a record?

My "show us your pedalboard" thread is approaching 150 pages, but that was started in week 1 of the forum. So the rate at which this one has grown is pretty damn impressive.

...and the "s**t that boils your p**s" in BCD is in the 350s.

terada · September 2018

The pedalboard thread is such a great one. Has definitely contributed to many a pedal purchase.

Yeah the speed of this one has been something else, it has been (and continues to be) a fun ride too.

Fortheloveofguitar · September 2018

Actually quite sad to be bowing out of the game. Was great fun bagging a beauty and the hunt for another R8 or an R0 at one stage.

Boromedic · September 2018

The Helix thread in the FX section is also around 213 pages, noticed it the other day. That's been going since 2015 though, compared to one month for this one...... impressive stuff

WezV · September 2018

guitars4you said:

WezV said:

poopot said:

How can these be a true reissue if Gibson don’t use the actual vintage fret scale?

surely that’s just makes them a modern “les Paul”...

I agree. It would be an easy thing to get right with modern manufacturing and would be a good distinction for a historic reissue

valid point, but ref Fender Custom Shop vintage replicas, very few are ever built with small frets and a 7.25" fingerboard radius - in fact you can have a 50's neck shape on a 60's model or vice versa and ditto 50's pick-ups on a 60's model as required - Yet always accepted as a 'vintage replica' - Granted this all goes with in a Custom Shop banner and as the name suggest (Custom Shop) then it allows for custom options - Maybe also as Fender Guitars are effectively a 'Mecano' style contraptions built out of a host of components then it goes with the territory of cut and suit as required

i don't think its the same thing. That Fender will be advertised with the radius and fret size clearly stated. They have mixed them up, but the spec is always clear

Gibson will focus on being more historically accurate than ever... "now with more accurate plastic" etc.. whilst ignoring the scale length issue altogether.

edit - vid for those interested in how gibson scale lengths can be odd

poopot · September 2018

WezV said:

poopot said:

How can these be a true reissue if Gibson don’t use the actual vintage fret scale?

surely that’s just makes them a modern “les Paul”...

I agree. It would be an easy thing to get right with modern manufacturing and would be a good distinction for a historic reissue

Point is... Gibson must be laughing all the way to the bank! (For a change)... selling a Les Paul that is effectively a modern day plain top and calling it a reissue!!!!

Hattigol · September 2018

Twinfan said:

The guitar may be second/third/fourth hand but it could still be "brand new". Like I said, it's a description of the condition of the item and it's nothing to do with how many times it's changed hands or if it was sold via a dealer/customer sale

Do you want to buy my car? It's a 2015 model, done 10k miles, had two owners.

It's erm, brand new.

WezV · September 2018

poopot said:

WezV said:

poopot said:

How can these be a true reissue if Gibson don’t use the actual vintage fret scale?

surely that’s just makes them a modern “les Paul”...

I agree. It would be an easy thing to get right with modern manufacturing and would be a good distinction for a historic reissue

Point is... Gibson must be laughing all the way to the bank! (For a change)... selling a Les Paul that is effectively a modern day plain top and calling it a reissue!!!!

i think, just like the plastics used to be, they don't care because most players don't care. It would cost them very little to do a different fret scale.

Twinfan · September 2018

Hattigol said:

Twinfan said:

The guitar may be second/third/fourth hand but it could still be "brand new". Like I said, it's a description of the condition of the item and it's nothing to do with how many times it's changed hands or if it was sold via a dealer/customer sale

Do you want to buy my car? It's a 2015 model, done 10k miles, had two owners.

It's erm, brand new.

Don't be daft

If it's a 2015 with <10 miles on the clock i.e. as it came from the dealer and has been stored in a sealed garage all this time then you can call it brand new

dbphoto · September 2018

This thread has now entered some weird parallel universe.

Second hand guitars being listed as new!?

Anyone giving a monkeys about a few mm when it comes to scale length!?

poopot · September 2018

dbphoto said:

This thread has now entered some weird parallel universe.

Second hand guitars being listed as new!?

Anyone giving a monkeys about a few mm when it comes to scale length!?

Play one with the correct vintage scale length!...

there is a load of difference... more space above the 12th fret for a start!...

crunchman · September 2018

Twinfan said:

Hattigol said:

Twinfan said:

The guitar may be second/third/fourth hand but it could still be "brand new". Like I said, it's a description of the condition of the item and it's nothing to do with how many times it's changed hands or if it was sold via a dealer/customer sale

Do you want to buy my car? It's a 2015 model, done 10k miles, had two owners.

It's erm, brand new.

Don't be daft

If it's a 2015 with <10 miles on the clock i.e. as it came from the dealer and has been stored in a sealed garage all this time then you can call it brand new

You think that if you want, but you still only be able to sell it for about 70% of the new price because it is second hand.

As soon as you drive it off the forecourt it is now longer new.

There is a car dealership about a mile from my home. If I buy a new car from them, and drive it 1 mile home it is no longer new. I've lost about 30% (or thereabouts) of the value as soon as I drive it off the forecourt - because it is no longer new.

Legionreturns · September 2018

Twinfan said:

Hattigol said:

Twinfan said:

The guitar may be second/third/fourth hand but it could still be "brand new". Like I said, it's a description of the condition of the item and it's nothing to do with how many times it's changed hands or if it was sold via a dealer/customer sale

Do you want to buy my car? It's a 2015 model, done 10k miles, had two owners.

It's erm, brand new.

Don't be daft

If it's a 2015 with <10 miles on the clock i.e. as it came from the dealer and has been stored in a sealed garage all this time then you can call it brand new

2015?

Terrible year! I'm out!

Whitecat · September 2018

Twinfan said:

Whitecat said:

I can only think of two transferable warranties off the top of my head - Kia cars and Applecare (the latter of which is paid for above and beyond the product anyway).

I’d wager the majority of companies restrict warranty to first owners - and this will be especially true in the musical instrument world.

All new cars have transferable warranties. In fact, I think if you buy a kettle and subsequently sell it or give it away the 12 month warranty still stands as long as you have the original receipt as the warranty is on the product not the owner?

If you buy bankrupt stock from a guitar shop and sell it on eBay you would sell them as "brand new" would you not? You're not the original supplying dealer but it's still a new product.

All/most cars maybe - Kia came to mind because I actually have one - and no, if you buy bankrupt stock you are not the authorised supplier so the factory warranty could be easily void.

Pretty sure most kettle warranties will be for the original purchaser only.

Whitecat · September 2018

Twinfan said:

Being brand new and/or having a valid warranty are two independent and different things.

I disagree. One implies the other when it comes to guitars especially.

Twinfan · September 2018

Re. the cars I'm not talking about values, I'm talking about whether the item is brand new or not

And as I said earlier, warranties are independent of the item being classed as brand new or not. You may feel differently of course.

Anyhow, we'd better park this subject as no-one is going to change my mind and I'm not going to change anyone else's

mli3 · September 2018

Twinfan said:

Re. the cars I'm not talking about values, I'm talking about whether the item is brand new or not

And as I said earlier, warranties are independent of the item being classed as brand new or not. You may feel differently of course.

Anyhow, we'd better park this subject as no-one is going to change my mind and I'm not going to change anyone else's

Thank goodness for that! lets move on.

Any more new tops to drool over ?

Twinfan · September 2018

Not seen anything of the Iced Tea or the other two Dirty Lemons from Peach have we?

fretfinder · September 2018

Twinfan said:

The guitar may be second/third/fourth hand but it could still be "brand new". Like I said, it's a description of the condition of the item and it's nothing to do with how many times it's changed hands or if it was sold via a dealer/customer sale

No it couldn’t still be a ‘brand new’ guitar. It’s been sold by a dealer and is now being resold, as a used/second hand item, by the punter who bought it. You can describe its condition in any way you like, but the item itself is now second hand and used, not brand new.

Hattigol · September 2018

Never mind this. @peachguitarsdotcom where are these black over gold LPs you promised us at £1,299?

dbphoto · September 2018

poopot said:

dbphoto said:

This thread has now entered some weird parallel universe.

Second hand guitars being listed as new!?

Anyone giving a monkeys about a few mm when it comes to scale length!?

Play one with the correct vintage scale length!...

there is a load of difference... more space above the 12th fret for a start!...

If you care about such things then fair play to you. I dare say there are plenty of things I care about that would be irrelevant to you.

FWIW I didn’t buy mine due to any of the historic accuracy stuff as I really couldn’t care less.

I bought it simply because I liked the look of it and at the discounted price it was too good for me to ignore.

Musicman20 · September 2018

Twinfan said:

Not seen anything of the Iced Tea or the other two Dirty Lemons from Peach have we?

Mine is due tomorrow but I doubt I'll get much time on it until Sunday. (Iced Tea)

peachguitarsdotcom · September 2018

Hattigol said:

Never mind this. @peachguitarsdotcom where are these black over gold LPs you promised us at £1,299?

You mean £299?! ha

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