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ICBM · September 2017

RandallFlagg said:

ICBM said:

WTF?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41103549

Someone thinks they're William Tell?

I hooe this doesn't become a 'thing'. A couple of these and there could be a serious problem.

There certainly could. One of those falling from a reasonable height could kill someone.

Given that it landed about 10m from the middle of the pitch, whoever did it was either extremely lucky or had been practicing - it's not easy to get the range right when you're shooting over an obstruction at a target you can't see. Or it was completely random, but that does seem to be stretching coincidence a bit...

Gassage · September 2017

Bumped into one of the people close to the England side yesterday and delighted to hear that I'm under serious contention for England to Australia.

He said "Even you've got more chance of playing for England than KP.'

Very excited and fingers crossed.

Heartfeltdawn · September 2017

ICBM said:

Given that it landed about 10m from the middle of the pitch...

A projectile launched by an individual that landed 10 metres from the middle of the pitch at the Oval... more accurate than Jade Dernbach.

cj73 · September 2017

England resting Stokes for Durham T20

Shocking decision, do they just want Durham to go away and stop being so northern?

scrumhalf · September 2017

Well done Jimmy Anderson, first English bowler to get 500 Test wickets.

This is another enthralling test match, nice to see the bowlers having the upper hand for once. So much better than a 550 v 500 batting fest.

crunchman · September 2017

Got a ticket for Sunday. What's the odds of the game getting as far as Sunday?

RandallFlagg · September 2017

crunchman said:

Got a ticket for Sunday. What's the odds of the game getting as far as Sunday?

Slim by the looks of it!

scrumhalf · September 2017

Well, that ended in a bit of an anti-climax.

Anderson has bowled beautifully, you have to acknowledge that he's magnificent.

And farewell Blowers, my dear old thing. You have been wonderfully entertaining over the years.

cj73 · September 2017

Looks like Ben Stokes has been a naughty boy.

Gassage · September 2017

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iseverynamegone · September 2017

Really hope this doesn't mean he is out of the ashes, but a bit silly being in a nightclub in Brizzle at that sort of time- bound to be pissed idiots looking for trouble.

scrumhalf · September 2017

Can you get demerit points for off-field activities?

And since we're on that topic, which bright spark
a) came up with the idea of demerit points, and
b) decided to callthem demerit points (presumably because everything else on the list of stupid names had been taken).

earwighoney · September 2017

scrumhalf said:

Can you get demerit points for off-field activities?

No. Demerit points are issued by ICC umpires for on field behaviour.

crunchman · September 2017

Need to give Demerit points to the selectors. Vince and Ballance. Why? Are the selectors being bribed by the Aussies.

earwighoney · September 2017

crunchman said:

Need to give Demerit points to the selectors. Vince and Ballance.

There's a joke in there in somewhere.

Overton is a really odd selection too. He's a Mark Ealham all rounder. Not a very batsman and a slightly above average trundling pace bowler with no pace; a poor man's Paul Collingwood.

crunchman · September 2017

earwighoney said:

crunchman said:

Need to give Demerit points to the selectors. Vince and Ballance.

There's a joke in there in somewhere.

Overton is a really odd selection too. He's a Mark Ealham all rounder. Not a very batsman and a slightly above average trundling pace bowler with no pace; a poor man's Paul Collingwood.

From what I've read, Overton has upped his pace this season. At 6'5" comparing him with Mark Ealham isn't valid. If nothing else, he will generate decent bounce on Aussie pitches.

scrumhalf · September 2017

There was an interview with Stokes in the Times magazine on Saturday. Among the things he said:
- "There is adrenaline but I'd never punch someone"
- "Of course I can have a few beers in the evening, I'm 26 not 14"

Heartfeltdawn · September 2017

earwighoney said:
There's a joke in there in somewhere.

Overton is a really odd selection too. He's a Mark Ealham all rounder. Not a very batsman and a slightly above average trundling pace bowler with no pace; a poor man's Paul Collingwood.

Try facing him. He's not trundly medium pace. Not quite as quick as his brother, mind...

Heartfeltdawn · September 2017

The reports I was getting from sources in Bristol was that it was a bit more than a tiff in the street. The video currently on display on the Sun website is not pretty at all. Reports were that a member of the public was swinging a bottle.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/cricket/4563431/ben-stokes-faces-england-axe-after-shocking-video-shows-him-punching-two-people-in-the-street/#

earwighoney · September 2017

Heartfeltdawn said:

earwighoney said:
There's a joke in there in somewhere.

Overton is a really odd selection too. He's a Mark Ealham all rounder. Not a very batsman and a slightly above average trundling pace bowler with no pace; a poor man's Paul Collingwood.

Try facing him. He's not trundly medium pace. Not quite as quick as his brother, mind...

When I've seen Craig Overton bowl his deliveries were generally in the mid 70's. Jamie occasionally hit over 90mph but with erratic control.

Craig Overton I imagine will be back up for Chris Woakes/Ben Stokes, as a batting all rounder. I'm not saying he's a bad player by any stretch of the imagination, he's a very good player for sure, but I'm unsure whether his batting or bowling will not be exposed on the flat Australian pitches for a tough Ashes series.

RandallFlagg · September 2017

Ben Stokes could be fucked here:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4563420/england-cricket-ace-ben-stokes-nightclub-brawl-video/

Teetonetal · September 2017

RandallFlagg said:

Ben Stokes could be fucked here:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4563420/england-cricket-ace-ben-stokes-nightclub-brawl-video/

To be fair.... This needs a proper investigation before he can be judged. At the end of that article is this:

The row appeared to start as Stokes leapt to the defence of Hales and another friend. It is thought the unknown reveller swung a bottle at Stokes’s group, hitting one on the back.

If that is true, then it looks to me, that 3 guys picked on the wrong guy to pick a fight with.

RandallFlagg · September 2017

Teetonetal said:

RandallFlagg said:

Ben Stokes could be fucked here:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4563420/england-cricket-ace-ben-stokes-nightclub-brawl-video/

To be fair.... This needs a proper investigation before he can be judged. At the end of that article is this:

The row appeared to start as Stokes leapt to the defence of Hales and another friend. It is thought the unknown reveller swung a bottle at Stokes’s group, hitting one on the back.

If that is true, then it looks to me, that 3 guys picked on the wrong guy to pick a fight with.

He still assaulted them way beyond self defence, regardless of the criminal aspect the issue the ECB will have is their reputation and being seen not to condone violence. He could end up being dropped from England.

crunchman · September 2017

From what I can see he has initially jumped in to defend his mates. The last bit looks over the top, but it's an understandable reaction if someone has hit your mate with a bottle.

The fundamental problem is that he ought to know better than being out like that at 2:30 in the morning - and if someone does start an argument, then walk away before the point where someone gets hit with a bottle.

I don't think they can keep him as vice captain whatever happens. You have to look at what the punishment would be for a less key player. If this was someone like Dawid Malan, I suspect he would be suspended or dropped. If they don't do something to Stokes it will reek of double standards.

Given that he has a broken finger, the other issue is that it's going to be touch and go whether he gets fit in time for the first test. They could always "suspend" him for the first test.

Heartfeltdawn · September 2017

Teetonetal said:

RandallFlagg said:

Ben Stokes could be fucked here:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4563420/england-cricket-ace-ben-stokes-nightclub-brawl-video/

To be fair.... This needs a proper investigation before he can be judged. At the end of that article is this:

The row appeared to start as Stokes leapt to the defence of Hales and another friend. It is thought the unknown reveller swung a bottle at Stokes’s group, hitting one on the back.

If that is true, then it looks to me, that 3 guys picked on the wrong guy to pick a fight with.

That's why I'm not judging him on whether he started the fight. It does appear that he prolonged it. This incident then gets placed alongside previous history, most notably getting sent home from Australia in 2013.

Heartfeltdawn · September 2017

earwighoney said:

Heartfeltdawn said:

earwighoney said:
There's a joke in there in somewhere.

Overton is a really odd selection too. He's a Mark Ealham all rounder. Not a very batsman and a slightly above average trundling pace bowler with no pace; a poor man's Paul Collingwood.

Try facing him. He's not trundly medium pace. Not quite as quick as his brother, mind...

When I've seen Craig Overton bowl his deliveries were generally in the mid 70's. Jamie occasionally hit over 90mph but with erratic control.

Craig Overton I imagine will be back up for Chris Woakes/Ben Stokes, as a batting all rounder. I'm not saying he's a bad player by any stretch of the imagination, he's a very good player for sure, but I'm unsure whether his batting or bowling will not be exposed on the flat Australian pitches for a tough Ashes series.

In the last year, Craig has gotten quicker more consistently in a similar way to how Woakes ramped it up. Before his back injury this season, Jamie was also a little quicker and a lot more consistent with it compared to 2016. Craig can be rated as fast-medium now, no worries. Jamie definitely an outright quick.

Overton will be the Woakes backup principally. Perhaps he will get exposed: so was Woakes at the start of his international career and now he's close to being an instant pick in two formats of the game.

Teetonetal · September 2017

RandallFlagg said:

Teetonetal said:

RandallFlagg said:

Ben Stokes could be fucked here:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4563420/england-cricket-ace-ben-stokes-nightclub-brawl-video/

To be fair.... This needs a proper investigation before he can be judged. At the end of that article is this:

The row appeared to start as Stokes leapt to the defence of Hales and another friend. It is thought the unknown reveller swung a bottle at Stokes’s group, hitting one on the back.

If that is true, then it looks to me, that 3 guys picked on the wrong guy to pick a fight with.

He still assaulted them way beyond self defence, regardless of the criminal aspect the issue the ECB will have is their reputation and being seen not to condone violence. He could end up being dropped from England.

I would argue that he is defending himself and friends from a group of 3, that were armed (with a bottle) that had been used once.

Heartfeltdawn said:
That's why I'm not judging him on whether he started the fight. It does appear that he prolonged it. This incident then gets placed alongside previous history, most notably getting sent home from Australia in 2013.

True, but clearly the ECB have to wait to see what the police report finds then act accordingly taking previous history into account. I suspect this one is going to rumble on for a while.

Heartfeltdawn · September 2017

Rumours had been going around for a bit that there was a bit of a drinking late hours thing going on after other matches and even Ian Ward, not someone who courts controversy, mentioned it yesterday on Sky, the first time I've heard it mentioned publicly and not as part of the rumour mill.

Hearing Ian Botham yesterday waffle on about how Stokes needs to take himself out of the action was glorious hypocrisy at its finest.

In other news, Matt Maynard is leaving Somerset. Hooo-bloody-ray!

57Deluxe · September 2017

great to see some fighting spirit from our cricketers at long last...!

iseverynamegone · September 2017

Ashes 2017: England sending one of 'worst ever batting line-ups' to Australia

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41421067

I tended to agree with this before , and it now looks like we will be missing Stokes.

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