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  • StuckfastStuckfast Frets: 2124
    Magnificent collapse from Surrey this afternoon. Six for seven on what looks a thoroughly flat wicket.
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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 21788
    Stuckfast said:
    Do you think Overton and Robinson have the pace to be successful in the Ashes? I seem to remember Overton wasn't a huge threat last time around but maybe he's put on a yard or two. I'm sure they will want to play at least one of Archer, Stone and Wood in every Ashes Test though.

    I was quite impressed by Ethan Bamber in the Middlesex-Hampshire game. He seemed to be bowling at good pace and was very unlucky -- bowled a lot of absolute jaffas that were just too good to get the edge.

    First, I wouldn't ask if they're quick enough to do well in Australia. Waqar Younis was ruddy quick and averaged 40 down there. Allan Donald was rapid yet Fanie De Villiers had a lower average in Australia than AD. Some quicks do well, some don't. It's like spinners: some do and some of the greats have struggled. 

    Second, was Glenn McGrath quick enough to be successful in the Ashes? Pace is nothing if you don't utilise it properly. It's why Hazlewood and Cummins are top notch and Mitchell Starc isn't to me.

    Overton is more consistent with his pace than he used to be. He also does a lot more with the ball now than he did. As I moaned earlier, player development is something we haven't done well for ages. Look at his Test career: a couple in Oz, a random Test here, one in NZ... it's bullshit. Robinson is pretty similar, does a bit with the ball. His pace isn't outright quick but he does get bounce and he is more accurate than Overton. They're the two leading lights on the county scene and there's not much else. Jamie Porter seems out of the reckoning, Sam Cook is a bit too English swing and seam, and Jamie Overton ain't done shit this year and is an idiot for moving to Surrey.

    Bamber's an interesting one because he's a very non-county cricketer type in that he's got more going on upstairs than most, a bit like Zafar Ansari. Not outright quick, sharp pace. He and Saqib Mahmood would be a good combo for the future. Dillon Pennington at Worcestershire is probably the quickest young one out there but having to bowl on that New Road deck must be heartbreaking for him at this time of year. 



    Personally, I say fuck all the talk about pace. Pick Darren Stevens. Some absolutely mighty clobber today. 



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  • scrumhalfscrumhalf Frets: 10838
    Darren Stevens!

    After his innings today there isn't a cricketer in the land more worthy of a cap.
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 10961
    Anyone know anything about Kyle Jamieson for New Zealand?  After 6 tests he's averaging 13 with the ball and 56 with the bat.
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    He's about 9 feet tall.
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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 21788
    Tall, gets the bounce when he hits the deck, and has almost certainly been talking to Messrs Southee and Boult about how to get swing of both types when you pitch it up. This will give you an idea of him. 



    Generally operates around 135kph so not dissimilar to Craig Overton. Played all his Tests in NZ so it'll be interesting to see how he handles his first overseas tour. 



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  • StuckfastStuckfast Frets: 2124
    Interesting that they are saying Bracey will keep wicket, I assumed he was in as a specialist batsman. Do they not rate Pope as a keeper?

    Wonder if we'll play a spinner.
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    It makes sense for Bracey to take the gloves. Long term Pope's a middle order batsman and needs to get his head down. If you start giving him the gloves for a Test or two until Foakes or Buttler come back, then you disrupt that. Far better to let Bracey do it on the basis that it's easier for him to come in and out of the side in a manner of speaking. 

    All the talk appears to be of a four man attack. Brave against a side that bats deep and well. Sibley's selection means he will be in, which throws up the question as to why they bothered dropping Burns in the winter if ultimately nothing changes comes NZ time. Broad is VC with Stokes out so presumably he is playing. If we do go with the four man attack and it looks like this then it's a long batting line up with a low overall average between them. 

    Burns
    Sibley
    Crawley
    Root
    Pope
    Lawrence
    Bracey
    Broad
    Anderson
    Wood/Stone
    Robinson/Overton

    Shame Boult won't be playing, but Southree, Henry, Jamieson, and Wagner is a good mix. With the weather looking hot for the first two days and with a left-arm over bowler in Wagner playing who hits the crease hard and gets some rough going, I would pick Leach and go with the five man attack. NZ have a lot of righties in that batting line up. 




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  • guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 12794
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    Looking forward to the first test on English soil this summer and looks like the weather will be good for all days

    Got my tickets v India at Leeds in August for later in the year so lets start the summer with a good performance and result 
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 10961
    Given the weather forecast, they would be stupid to leave Leach out.  Atmospheric conditions aren't likely to be that helpful for the quick bowlers.  That does give a problem with balancing the side though.  Overton isn't good enough to bat at 7.
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  • scrumhalfscrumhalf Frets: 10838
    The Beeb's weather forecast suggested a possibility of showers late in the day. Of course, you can't have test cricket without rain.

    The first of the summer still brings the anticipation I used to have when I was a boy. 
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  • guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 12794
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    Surely we have a spinner - i know Root can turn his golden arm - But a) it isn't India and b) in this heat will need to rotate pace bowlers, so on a warm day and a the chance of NZ building an innings we need someone to hold down an end and then hopefully offers more after 2/3 days
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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 21788

    1 Rory Burns, 2 Dom Sibley, 3 Zak Crawley, 4 Joe Root (captain), 5 Ollie Pope, 6 Dan Lawrence, 7 James Bracey (wk), 8 Ollie Robinson, 9 Stuart Broad, 10 Mark Wood, 11 James Anderson


    No spinner. From my 6th floor vista in south London, the sky is blue with a few clouds but certainly not heavy overhead Lords superswing conditions. And NZ are batting first. Lordy lordy....



    New Zealand: 1 Tom Latham, 2 Devon Conway, 3 Kane Williamson (captain), 4 Ross Taylor, 5 Henry Nicholls, 6 BJ Watling (wk), 7 Colin de Grandhomme, 8 Mitchell Santner, 9 Kyle Jamieson, 10 Tim Southee, 11 Neil Wagner


    Of the top 7 NZ batsmen, Colin De Grandhomme has the lowest average at 37 (Conway on debut has no average as yet). Latham, Williamson, Ross Taylor and Nicholls all average 40+. Within English ranks, only Joe Root averages above 40. NZ have a very good side out now and they have reserves. Will Young could have opened and has done very well for Durham this year in hard conditions (if you can score runs at Durham early season, then you can play on seaming decks). Tom Blundell averages 38 and could have easily played in this game. NZ really maximise their talent pool and get everything out of it.




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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 7708
    no spinner,  no genuine all-rounder, 1 newbie, 2 oldies and an injury prone quick.

    Hmmm

    Perhaps Root now considers himself a front line bowler after his Indian wickets?
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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 21788
    crunchman said:
    Given the weather forecast, they would be stupid to leave Leach out.  Atmospheric conditions aren't likely to be that helpful for the quick bowlers.  That does give a problem with balancing the side though.  Overton isn't good enough to bat at 7.
    The problem is our top 6 isn't good enough to let Overton bat at 7 or to 'risk' (chortle) a spinner at Lords. Far too much of this "We should pick batting bowlers to make up for the top order failures" has happened in selection over the last few years. 



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  • guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 12794
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    no spinner,  no genuine all-rounder, 1 newbie, 2 oldies and an injury prone quick.

    Hmmm

    Perhaps Root now considers himself a front line bowler after his Indian wickets?
    agree - looks more questions in this line up and less guarantees for a forth coming Ashes tour and indeed another round against India

    I know Jimmy is super fit - But in this heat it is a lot to ask JA and SB to be bowling something around 20 overs each today 

    Root bowling in England is a different prospect to Root bowling in India
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  • GassageGassage Frets: 30192
    no spinner,  no genuine all-rounder, 1 newbie, 2 oldies and an injury prone quick.

    Hmmm

    Perhaps Root now considers himself a front line bowler after his Indian wickets?
    agree - looks more questions in this line up and less guarantees for a forth coming Ashes tour and indeed another round against India

    I know Jimmy is super fit - But in this heat it is a lot to ask JA and SB to be bowling something around 20 overs each today 

    Root bowling in England is a different prospect to Root bowling in India

    It's about 24 degrees! They should be fine!

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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 21788
    The view from my balcony. The Wembley Arch (blue circle) is 16 miles away by foot. Red circle is the rough area of St Johns Wood. 

    Ain't that just the loveliest bat all day sky? 

    https://i.imgur.com/tYFKUH1.png



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  • GassageGassage Frets: 30192
    MCC lads who have played or netted on the ground since the new stands finished have said the ball is swinging less since they were built. Seems to be the case.

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  • StuckfastStuckfast Frets: 2124
    Mark Wood's slowest delivery so far clocked at 91.2mph. That's serious heat.
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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 21788
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    25 overs in the first two hours. That's seriously shit. 

    Wood is a funny one because he's the reverse Woakes in that his away record is really good and his home record really isn't. 

    H: 11 Tests, 24 wickets at 45.83, SR of 78.5
    A: 6 Tests, 23 wickets at 22.78, SR of 46.1
    N: 2 Tests, 6 wickets at 28.33, SR of 62.8. 

    https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/351588.html?class=1;home_or_away=1;template=results;type=bowling

    If you go by his last five Tests at home: 

    Five Tests, 5 wickets at 82 at a SR of 147. 

    By means of comparison as to how shit this really is, I present Ian Salisbury's home Test figures:

    8 Tests, 9 wickets at 93.33, SR of 150.8. 

    Now I'm not saying Mark Wood is on the Salisbury level of awfulness but when we have so many stats to go by what the rationale for his selection was. Is it a case of him having a poor home average because he's not been used in the right way yet we have found the way to use him overseas? It rather touches on this development aspect and whether roles for bowlers was ever really established under Bayliss. 

    NB: and we keep the spinner dilemma going as Leach has a better home average than away average and yet hasn't played a home Test since September 2019. If we're going for a horses for courses approach, then I'm not understanding how they're grading all the horses. 



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  • StuckfastStuckfast Frets: 2124
    TBF that includes at least one home test where for some mad reason he played despite not being fully fit. 

    I think there's a good argument that having someone with that sort of pace benefits the other bowlers, even if Wood himself isn't taking wickets.
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  • StuckfastStuckfast Frets: 2124
    Having said that I'm surprised they didn't include Mahmood in the squad, he bowled superbly in that Roses match last week.
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  • GassageGassage Frets: 30192
    If anyone has nothing better to do this Sunday, I'm skippering the Duke of Norfolk v The Arabs at Arundel Castle.

    We're strong.....in fact my only captaincy decision will be "Which end do you want, Chris Peploe?".....but all of my side has FC or MCCA experience.

    If anyone fancies it, inbox me and I'll try and sort a ticket or two out.

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  • StuckfastStuckfast Frets: 2124
    Lucky you, Arundel is a beautiful ground! 
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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 21788
    Stuckfast said:
    TBF that includes at least one home test where for some mad reason he played despite not being fully fit. 

    I think there's a good argument that having someone with that sort of pace benefits the other bowlers, even if Wood himself isn't taking wickets.
    Here's an interesting quirk then. 

    Tests Wood has played where Jimmy Anderson has been absent versus Tests where JA has played alongside Wood:

    5 Tests, 17 wickets at 22, SR of 46.6
    14 Tests, 36 wickets at 39.44, SR of 70.2

    Interestingly, Broad has been in the side for 17 of Wood's 19 Tests. Wood's record when playing with Broad is practically identical to his overall career record. 

    So could you make the case that having Anderson in the side means Root doesn't utilise Wood as well as he does when JA is missing? 

    See, I have no idea why both of the old boys are playing in this Test. It's a meaningless series, it's a warmup to the winter, we learn nothing and gain nothing from having both of them play. We need to find another attack leader outside of these two and we won't find one if the old boys keep opening the attack. 





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  • GassageGassage Frets: 30192
    Stuckfast said:
    Lucky you, Arundel is a beautiful ground! 
    My 131st game there. I am genuinely honoured. Played at the Parks on Friday and have Lords in August. #blessed

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  • StuckfastStuckfast Frets: 2124
    That's 129 more than me. I think our friendly side got quietly dropped from the Arundel schedules for not being good enough, but it was fun while it lasted.
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  • guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 12794
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    Gassage said:
    If anyone has nothing better to do this Sunday, I'm skippering the Duke of Norfolk v The Arabs at Arundel Castle.

    We're strong.....in fact my only captaincy decision will be "Which end do you want, Chris Peploe?".....but all of my side has FC or MCCA experience.

    If anyone fancies it, inbox me and I'll try and sort a ticket or two out.
    I'm at Leeds that day - But enjoy and looks like the weather will be good - I've seen that ground and it looks very nice - Am I right in saying that years ago, touring countries would play the odd match there against an invitation X1 - Maybe before today's heavy schedules inc ODI and T20 - But few if any play county matches now as well
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  • GassageGassage Frets: 30192
    Cricketing FBers: Using

    LOL= no interest
    WOW= waiting to see
    Wiz= very interested

    ...describe your thoughts on the 100.

    Me- a huge LOL.

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