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But bear in mind the BBC's Panorama episode on Corbyn regarding 'The Labour files'. Obviously BBC media and political persons were colluding with an end game here. Most of this crowd have no allegiance anyway, it's just business.
But this doesn't necessarily mean Channel 4 have colluded with government, government could just be using the whole shitstorm as a lever. But like I said, with no arrest, no court case and no official proof, their actions sound completely over the top
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The people that are saying that they "stand by" him, obviously fans, are clearly nailing their colours to the mast, and will apparently side with him. That will either be denying the allegations, however well proven, or just not listening to any of it at all.
Similar thing happened with Depp.
I find it absolutely deplorable. People are innocent until proven guilty, but unless you have a genuine reason to disbelieve these claims you are in no position to vouch for the accused either. It's cult-like follower behaviour and a sad representation of celebrity culture.
I have no doubt that some foolish people will have been waving "we believe in you" banners at Mr Savile.
Just. Stop. You don't know the person, you're a fan - either trying to get a moment of approval from your idol and your fellow followers, or so invested in someone that you can't take the idea that this person might be a scumbag.
And he was a pillar of the establishment.
People just don't want to be exposed to unsavouriness whether it's proved or not.
Actually back then Brand was trying to convince people to not bother voting, which is why Miliband did the interview with the him, to counter Brand's ''don't bother voting'' campaign.
There is an argument to be made that lesser evilism, as in, just voting for the sake of it for someone you dislike to keep someone else you dislike more out makes a mockery of your vote, of democracy, and by doing so when candidates are very similar or indifferent you condone shitty candidates and politics because they only have to be slightly different from their opponent and never have to actually work for your vote, and this results in stunted progress in politics.
The argument goes on to say that low voter turnout based not on apathy, but as a result of civil disobedience should spur alternative parties into action to try and shore up those voters and provide policies that appeal to the public, and in turn this should shock the bigger parties into pulling their finger out.
There are of course many reasons to vote. I'm not saying don't, I'm just explaining this position and why electioneering can be detrimental to progress, and why people can feel like their vote doesn't mean a lot when the Overton window is so narrow and candidates reflect this in their policies.and efforts.
I see, so it's his high profile and general anti-establishment stance which has caught the attention of the government, rather than anything very specific.
Tom Walker / Jonathan Pie is much closer to the bone with regards to his government critisism, you have to wonder why he's allowed to get away with it if people like Brand aren't.
Shock.
About two years later it was discovered this man had once been a cub scout leader and the sick, manipulative cunt had raped a number of those little boys. The bravery of those children in coming forward got this sick bastard convicted.
And in Brand's case we have a woman (NOTE: not the alleged victims but the woman from the video) not coming forward because she was worried about her mortgage. Strewth.
I urge every one of you to be more like those kids and not like her.
As I said earlier the blame is not with the victims. They will all have their reasons why they don't come forward. But people who 'know something' and choose not to say anything I have absolutely no time for whatsoever. I just disagree with their stance completely.
Google Pete Davidson and the list of women he's dated and slept with. If you think looks are everything that women look for, you've been misinformed
”Do you have any proof of these accusations?”
”Thank you and good evening Ms Ryan”
And it's been reported that she called him out - assuming the unnamed person is indeed Brand - several times, on camera, during the filming of a TV programme. The TV producers chose not to air it. Save some of your ire for them.
(Edit: @euan has made the same point, rather better than I have.)
Nope, that's not how it works, especially post-Savile, when many people came forward and the police acted upon them with regards to Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall etc. It's up to the court to 'prove' not up to someone who just want to alert the police to something. For all that person knows, 100 others might have done the same, now that is building a case.
In the pedo case above I will tell you how they got this monster. Someone from the police listened to the kids. No proof of course. But they listened. Other brave boys came forward. Then they started to monitor his activities. They set up a mock accident outside his home and knocked on his door to ask if they could use his computer. Then they found all the images needed to convict him and add more credence to the reports from the boys. In effect they found enough 'proof'.
Now with regards to Katherine Ryan, as an adult, an adult who was so convinced that Brand was a sex pest, she should've gone and banged on their door, shouted, screamed, but she didn't. Yes, even if it did affect her career. Yes, even if she thought there was no hope. She wasn't a child like those boys, she was an adult. I bet you the parents of the boys didn't settle for just walking away.
As an adult who 'knows something' we really should do more. Report it to the police and shout and scream if you're as certain as Katherine Ryan says she was. That would truly be helping the victim.
I think you are being hard on her tbh
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The Scout thing is not the same. The scouts aren't going to deploy thousands of followers to destroy your life. Brand is much more famous and powerful than Katherine Ryan or any of the others involved here.
But I was asked to watch the video, that it was some sort of reason as to why people don't report stuff (which from a victims standpoint I already understood and agreed to anyway). But I watched it as asked and found a woman who had reported but didn't follow it up, even though she says she KNEW it was happening. I found that staggering.
And nope I do not agree it was a passing comment that was almost a joke. She didn't continue her complaint because of the possible financial effects, as would many others, she's just an example (because I was specifically asked to look at that one).
As said, I have no time for anyone who behaves that way. Don't sit back, don't think about your career, do the right bloody thing.
Or Lemmy.