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Not really. My impression is that even people who think he’s a twat have said we should reserve judgment until any allegations are proven. I could be wrong - I’m not going back through the thread to check though.
I haven’t given an opinion on whether I think they are true or not because I don’t know.
If you decide not to then you're not helping to stop the abuser abusing again.
When I worked at college we had a safeguarding department. As lecturers (in fact all staff) we were trained to spot the signs of abuse, ill health, anguish, manipulation, extremism, behavioural changes etc. It was in our contracts that we must report this, which I did a number of times. We were told we must report this even if our initial chat with the person resulted in the student saying 'Please don't say anything'. A difficult dilemma because of student/teacher confidentiality and a possible breaking of ongoing trust.
Plus we were also trained to report to Prevent with any extremism worries
I know for certain that one of my students wrote to the college thanking the college for intervening (they did all the hard work). She had escaped an abusive relationship. I reported it because this woman (not a child) came to class with two black eyes. Our safeguarding department did their job. In other cases I heard nothing more, only that the cases were still being monitored.
And this reporting happened even though I was not certain.
Strewth, if this woman had come to me and blurted it all out that her husband had been beating her (it's still not 'proof' but I may have seen it as certain) I would have gone and banged down the door of our Safeguarding department and demanded that they get the police involved or I would do it myself (possibly costing me my job for not following 'process').
What would you do in the Brand case if you were certain that he was guilty of committing a crime (but had no actual proof)?
In the situation you are describing (I think) I don't know what I'd do to be honest, but I'd certainly want to think about it very carefully before shouting anything from the rooftops because there could be a great chance of making things worse for myself and for any victims.
I don't know if using people's names in hypothetical situations is really a good idea BTW.
It’s certainly how I thought it worked, until I did it myself and was forced out of a job. Twice.
Plod won't even come out when you've been burgled and you expect them to come out coz you know someone who might've been burgled. Get real.
And you expect her to risk her livelihood and ability to feed her children on someone's say-so?
She comes out of this with a lot more dignity than Brand.
Where were the police when complaints came flying in against Cyril Smith and Savile years before the truth finally came out.
Proportioning any blame to her whatsoever is nonsense.
Nothing they could do though unfortunately! Oh shucks! Don’t worry though, they’re sure they won’t try our house again now my wife’s scared them off!
That's odd, they didn't come out twice when my flat was burgled twice even though there was DNA (blood) and fingerprint evidence left at the second burglary.
Didn't come out when my motorbike was nicked, my car.
Another reason why people don't bother with them. They barely exist.
My band, Red For Dissent
My band, Red For Dissent
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66882644
Her child was taken away, she finally got the help she had been crying out for and then her child came back home. Today they are in a much better place.
Obviously all front cos I think she’s had a serious talking to, but I fear I’ve messed with a nutcase.
Sadly it's hard for social services to act on a lot of referrals - often there is good cause for concern - but your rights as a parent protect you from anyone involving themselves in your life unless there is demonstrable evidence of significant harm being caused (and rightly so) - significant harm is an intentionally subjective term so it can be tested in court - and of course the evidence (that would allow social services to intervene) must also be able to be challenged in court.
The system is therefore set up so that many of the concerns people report are difficult for social services to act on in anything other than a voluntary capacity - you can approach the parent and ask if they are having difficulties or if they'd like support - but if they say no your going to struggle to do much more. When there is physical or recorded evidence social services have a legal obligation to intervene and can also involve the police in their investigation.
That can make it seem a bit futile to report concerns. - but I'd hope it isn't - as well as satisfying what I feel is a moral obligation to report concerns about a child's wellbeing, referrals that can't be actioned easily are often used to build up a picture of whats going on in a family's life and can help justify an intervention because of an accumulation of concerns rather than one issue.
If you report your concerns to children's services (which is what the school should have/probably did you have the legal right to remain anonymous - and lots of people do - that way you've done something with your issue but shouldn't have to worry about any come back.