I'm sorry... HOW much for a remote control bomb?

Emp_Fab · August 2023

From
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66373052

"It's unknown how many drones ships each side holds. It's also unclear how much they cost, but one drone publicised by the Ukrainian government has a price tag of $250,000 (£197,000)."

TWO HUNDRED GRAND??!!

I reckon these arms manufacturers are taking the piss big time.

I reckon I could knock one of those up in no time for no more than £6K - plus explosives.

What do you reckon you could build one for?

NothingOnTheTele · August 2023

And it loses half its value the moment you take it for a spin! I always buy used.

AntonHunter · August 2023

Can one of the mods move this to Making & Modding section?

Kittyfrisk · August 2023

Emp_Fab said:

From
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66373052

"It's unknown how many drones ships each side holds. It's also unclear how much they cost, but one drone publicised by the Ukrainian government has a price tag of $250,000 (£197,000)."

TWO HUNDRED GRAND??!!

I reckon these arms manufacturers are taking the piss big time.

I reckon I could knock one of those up in no time for no more than £6K - plus explosives.

What do you reckon you could build one for?

I think you are considering drones as being the same, due to the name.
An unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV or drone) can cost from a couple of hundred quid to several millions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicles_in_the_United_States_military

It's a bit like referring to all multi wheeled road going vehicles as 'cars' & ignoring the difference between a Reliant Robin & a Bugatti Veyron

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sinbaadi · August 2023

It might be all the research that goes in to making it unlikely to blow up before the user wants it to.

fastonebaz · August 2023

They need a bigger payload to be effective. (Unless fear is the target goal)

Brio · August 2023

Silent drive system. Redundant guidance and control plus spares.
yup, 6K before payloads sounds right..,. ;-)
maybe Harley Benton could make them.

LastMantra · August 2023

That one appears to be beached.

Brio · August 2023

I think you mean relic’d.

Brio · August 2023

But don’t take me littorally.

the_jaffa · August 2023

Arms dealer - Dear Sir Lancelot de Vilier MP, how much will you pay us per remote bomb?

SLdV - Ah, Arms Dealer, my very good friend and co-owner of said business via umbrella company, we would be happy to pay us, sorry, I mean you £200,000 per bomb. Sound fair?

AD - Seems fair, a ha ha ha

RaymondLin · August 2023

A car, mass produced in the millions, even a run of the mill no thrills can cost £30,000 now for a Toyota.

I can imagine a drone costing 10x that amount. The people who make it are also in the business to make money. They are not sold at cost to the US government, or any government.

BillDL · August 2023

I've never tried to buy Semtex (or similar explosives) in bulk, but I would guess that a substantial percentage of the price of those floating weapons will be in the actual explosives and detonators. On top of that the fuckers in the EU would probably charge us double VAT and there would be fucking import duties on top of the price. Fucking Brexit!

dano · August 2023

Brio said:

Silent drive system. Redundant guidance and control plus spares.
yup, 6K before payloads sounds right..,. ;-)
maybe Harley Benton could make them.

Yes Harley Benton could built it much cheaper, for a basic quality. But they'd use the cheapest courier going and you'd be finding drone bombs in hedges, bins and over the side gate.

guitargeek62 · August 2023

dano said:

Brio said:

Silent drive system. Redundant guidance and control plus spares.
yup, 6K before payloads sounds right..,. ;-)
maybe Harley Benton could make them.

Yes Harley Benton could built it much cheaper, for a basic quality. But they'd use the cheapest courier going and you'd be finding drone bombs in hedges, bins and over the side gate.

Yeah but if you add Raytheon tail-fins to them I bet they'd sound exactly the same.

ESBlonde · August 2023

There is a skill in demolition for placing the correct amount of explosives at the correct location. A big bang against the side of an armoured ship is spectacular but not guaranteed to punch through. A small hollow charge placed correctly will though (tank armour being a case in point). With a small boat buffeted by sea and defensive fire the chances become a lot less so the right design is essential. I don’t think £6k is going to cover it.

fretmeister · August 2023

Another wonderful Dunning-Kruger post.

There must be enough for a book by now, surely?

Sporky · August 2023

I for one look forward to the buld thread.

drofluf · August 2023

Sporky said:

I for one look forward to the buld thread.

I think that may be a long time coming. We haven't had 26 pages of the "What detonator for a drone boat?" thread yet

TTony · August 2023

Brio said:

maybe Harley Benton could make them.

Just change the explosives and they'd be as good as the proper military ones ...

Teyeplayer · August 2023

Sporky said:

I for one look forward to the build thread.

My thoughts exactly, the tales will become the stuff of fretboard legend. We will be regaled with tales of skirmishes on the boating lake, blowing up those pesky ducks and sneaking up on unsuspecting fishermen.

Sassafras · August 2023

I find it disturbing that Emp wants to build weapons of mass destruction for little personal gain.

Offset · August 2023

Sporky said:

I for one look forward to the build thread.

Sporky · August 2023

I should be clear that I don't actually want Emp to blow himself up, but we all know it won't get beyond the Boaty McStuck-In-Mudface stage.

Teyeplayer · August 2023

drofluf said:

Sporky said:

I for one look forward to the buld thread.

I think that may be a long time coming. We haven't had 26 pages of the "What detonator for a drone boat?" thread yet

How long till this thread gets flagged at MI5? We could run it as a sweepstake raising funds for the forum upkeep.

Brio · August 2023

TTony said:

Brio said:

maybe Harley Benton could make them.

Just change the explosives and they'd be as good as the proper military ones ...

Can you get toan explosives for different sounding bangs?

merlin · August 2023

Such profit being made on suffering? We are doomed as a species.

Sassafras · August 2023

I hope this doesn't involve Emp turning himself into a kamikaze pilot.

ThorpyFX · August 2023

So thats a bargain really for the Drone boat. IT will likely have the following features:

expensive bits:

-Electronic counter measures to prevent it being Jammed. these are neither cheap nor easy to make or made in particular high numbers (read expensive)
-Communications equipment. Both Transmitters and receivers on multiple digital bands, including satellite comms. This allows the drone to be communicated with. These will have to be immensely powerful as the ocean has a habit of creating lots of waves that disrupt radio frequencies.
-Inertial navigation system, generally built upon complex and accurate gyroscopic elements.. think swiss watch levels of mechanical complexity. or a MEMS system which is a solid-state version- also expensive.
-GPS transmitter/receiver for navigation in concert with the INS. not cheap as mil spec ones have access to the better unlocked GPS signal and the device needs to be as un-hackable as possible.
- several imaging systems. most likely, Thermal/ optical and enhanced night vision with associated high bandwidth comms system to transmit.
- some form of computer
-some form of targeting system using all the associated sensors on board.

relatively cheap bits

main explosive fill
booster
chassis
detonators and redundancy detonators
remote distruction charge.
motor
fuel-

that drone has been highly successful against a country that is renowned for its strong electronic warfare equipment. there is no way that drone can be built for £6k. the programming alone for the targeting system would cost that.

drofluf · August 2023

Teyeplayer said:

drofluf said:

Sporky said:

I for one look forward to the buld thread.

I think that may be a long time coming. We haven't had 26 pages of the "What detonator for a drone boat?" thread yet

How long till this thread gets flagged at MI5? We could run it as a sweepstake raising funds for the forum upkeep.

How do you know that we they aren't monitoring already?

breakstuff · August 2023

Save your money Emp, Skoda already make one, I'd recommend one of them.

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