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scrumhalf · April 2023

I could accept this from Keane were it not for the fact that he spent a significant part of his career whacking players not entirely within the laws of the game. Was Alfie Haaland a big baby as well?

TeleMaster · April 2023

mikeyrob73 said:

TeleMaster said:

axisus said:

So something kicked off with a Linesman and Robinson in the Liverpool/Arsenal game. Hard to see what happened from the distant clips, but I did laff a bit at Roy Keane/s blunt assessment:
"He should be more worried about his defending. Do you know what he is that Robinson, I’ve watched him a number of times, he is a big baby, that’s what that guy is. Just get on with the game and concentrate on your defending. He does grab the linesman first …."

It seems like Robinson angrily approached the linesmen, maybe even grabbing him. The linesmen lifted his elbow and hit him whilst walking away. He may have felt threatened and defended himself, and if so I think it's perfectly reasonable. But it may well have been an accident as he may have been doing a dismissive motion.

Robinson was acting as Keane hilariously said, like a big baby.

*Robertson

Everyones autocorrect is having a mare, it seems.

axisus · April 2023

TeleMaster said:

mikeyrob73 said:

TeleMaster said:

axisus said:

So something kicked off with a Linesman and Robinson in the Liverpool/Arsenal game. Hard to see what happened from the distant clips, but I did laff a bit at Roy Keane/s blunt assessment:
"He should be more worried about his defending. Do you know what he is that Robinson, I’ve watched him a number of times, he is a big baby, that’s what that guy is. Just get on with the game and concentrate on your defending. He does grab the linesman first …."

It seems like Robinson angrily approached the linesmen, maybe even grabbing him. The linesmen lifted his elbow and hit him whilst walking away. He may have felt threatened and defended himself, and if so I think it's perfectly reasonable. But it may well have been an accident as he may have been doing a dismissive motion.

Robinson was acting as Keane hilariously said, like a big baby.

*Robertson

Everyones autocorrect is having a mare, it seems.

Nah, I'm just not a Liverpoo fan

guitars4you · April 2023

Good result and performance by Man City last night - For a while it looked as though both sides could win - But once they went ahead only one winner last night - Rodri's goal was a cracker

jellyroll · April 2023

Yeah, Bayern certainly had their chances but faded (and nearly disappeared) later in the second half. Great performance from City. Our chances of winning the Premier are looking thinner as Arsenal soldier on....so winning the Champs League would be a decent consolation.

Lestratcaster · April 2023

City aren't out the title race by a long shot. They still have to play us (Arsenal) at home and all it takes it for one loss somewhere to turn it on its head. I'm very worried we'll mess it up when it matters the most as we saw on Sunday we can start so well but not see out games. Plus you got some big Norweigan guy who just keeps scoring for fun this season.

TTony · April 2023

jellyroll said:

..so winning the Champs League would be a decent consolation.

Is the path to the final already determined?

For some reason, I'm thinking it's City vs Inter Milan in the semis (which City should win) and then Real Madrid in the final (just because).

joneve · April 2023

swiller said:

Good to see my team in top 3. I think NUFC fans appreciate whatever dirty funding there is, being invested into the structure of the club, be it youth training grounds, repairs to stadium and investment in womens football etc. Irrespective of the billionaire, oligarch etc.

We are very lucky to have howe and he is a shit polisher for sure, see bournemouth and still playing 60% of bruce's team.
Isak is as close as a thierry henry as you will see im prem. Wise buying. Think NUFC are notts forest level of spend this season.

So, not much then? We've spent £165(ish)m on 30 players. Chelsea have spent more than that on less than 10 players. So when you look at it relatively, we've really not spent that much.

CharlieShaw · April 2023

£165 million ‘not much money’. Nuff said!

ewal · April 2023

I've been watching the recent Scotland woman's international friendlies. What a player Caroline Weir is - sublime first touch, close control, turns and dead balls. No wonder she's ended up at Real Madrid.

https://twitter.com/BBCSportScot/status/1645891397831086083

joneve · April 2023

CharlieShaw said:

£165 million ‘not much money’. Nuff said!

On 30 players? that's an average of around £5-£5.5m per player. Which is literal peanuts for premier league players. We had no choice but to buy a whole new squad and have spent within our means (using the money from being promoted)...

jellyroll · April 2023

TTony said:

jellyroll said:

..so winning the Champs League would be a decent consolation.

Is the path to the final already determined?

For some reason, I'm thinking it's City vs Inter Milan in the semis (which City should win) and then Real Madrid in the final (just because).

No, it would actually be City/Bayern playing the winner of Madrid/Chelsea in the semi.

So, IF City were to get to the final, they would meet one of Milan, Inter, Napoli or Benfica.

axisus · April 2023

City looking amazing now, hard to believe that they are not top of the prem. I fear that they will run Arsenal down

jellyroll · April 2023

Lestratcaster said:

City aren't out the title race by a long shot. They still have to play us (Arsenal) at home and all it takes it for one loss somewhere to turn it on its head. I'm very worried we'll mess it up when it matters the most as we saw on Sunday we can start so well but not see out games. Plus you got some big Norweigan guy who just keeps scoring for fun this season.

We’re not out of it but I’d say it’s 70/30 in Arsenal’s favour. A draw against City and the engraver can start work.

Funny how all the Arsenal fans I know are so desperate not to jinx it….it’s quite endearing compared to fans of other teams who think they have “class” and some pre-ordained right to win things.

TTony · April 2023

jellyroll said:

TTony said:

jellyroll said:

..so winning the Champs League would be a decent consolation.

Is the path to the final already determined?

For some reason, I'm thinking it's City vs Inter Milan in the semis (which City should win) and then Real Madrid in the final (just because).

No, it would actually be City/Bayern playing the winner of Madrid/Chelsea in the semi.

So, IF City were to get to the final, they would meet one of Milan, Inter, Napoli or Benfica.

wow - Bayern & Real Madrid is a tough path to the final, and looks like an easier challenge if you get there.

If you get past BM & RM, you might get IM in the final ...

Lestratcaster · April 2023

jellyroll said:

Lestratcaster said:

City aren't out the title race by a long shot. They still have to play us (Arsenal) at home and all it takes it for one loss somewhere to turn it on its head. I'm very worried we'll mess it up when it matters the most as we saw on Sunday we can start so well but not see out games. Plus you got some big Norweigan guy who just keeps scoring for fun this season.

We’re not out of it but I’d say it’s 70/30 in Arsenal’s favour. A draw against City and the engraver can start work.

Funny how all the Arsenal fans I know are so desperate not to jinx it….it’s quite endearing compared to fans of other teams who think they have “class” and some pre-ordained right to win things.

Basically if you win vs us and we don't recover from it then we've messed it up I reckon. Its a scary time to be a supporter - never ever in our wildest dreams did we expect to be in this position this season. I would have quite happily taken a Champions' League spot at the start. 2nd isn't a failure by any means but this is our best chance to actually win it. The squad has come a long way since last season. To be so close but yet miss out would be worst.

guitars4you · April 2023

jellyroll said:

Yeah, Bayern certainly had their chances but faded (and nearly disappeared) later in the second half. Great performance from City. Our chances of winning the Premier are looking thinner as Arsenal soldier on....so winning the Champs League would be a decent consolation.

With some magical wish, that you are now guaranteed to win one trophy this year, I bet if you ask most/all City fans, players, the whole board etc they'd pick the CL - The trophy cabinet needs it - The backers certainly want it - And that would then give Scott Carson another CL medal without playing

I'm hoping RM put on a great show tonight against Chelsea

axisus · April 2023

jellyroll said:

so winning the Champs League would be a decent consolation.

I don't think the Champions league could ever be considered a 'consolation' prize!?!?!

The Man City owners would probably rather win that that the league, well, for that elusive first win.

jellyroll · April 2023

“City are desperate to win the CL” is a media driven story. It’s possibly/probably true of the owner and probably Pep but for me and pretty much every one of my “legacy fan” mates, it’s all about the Premier League.

It would be nice to win CL once coz we’ve never won it but if I was offered to win the CL 3 times in the next decade or Prem League 3 times, I’d take Prem without a doubt.

I love watching City playing other English teams. Whilst there’s a glamour about some of the European teams, there’s a superficiality about the European competition compared to the Prem. Maybe because of the old adage “the table doesn’t lie”….after 38 games week in, week out, the team at the top are there on merit, and not for any other reason.

Vintage65 · April 2023

Interesting game this evening. Chelsea have spent £500m+ in two windows on a scattergun approach hoping that something will stick, and they are on their third manager, while Real Madrid have quietly gone about their business of rebuilding an aging team. Real's strategy has been to identify young players for a specific role, and slowly integrate them into the team. Watch out for Camavinga, he's still only 20 and already seems to be world class in two different positions.

Rocker · April 2023

Hard to see anything but a win for Real Madrid tonight.

Vintage65 · April 2023

Rocker said:

Hard to see anything but a win for Real Madrid tonight.

They're still in 2nd gear.

RobDavies · April 2023

joneve said:

CharlieShaw said:

£165 million ‘not much money’. Nuff said!

On 30 players? that's an average of around £5-£5.5m per player. Which is literal peanuts for premier league players. We had no choice but to buy a whole new squad and have spent within our means (using the money from being promoted)...

Yeah but…. Shelvey, Lingard, Wood, Ayew…. What were they thinking? Never mind transfer fees, that’s probably £30-50m per annum in wages alone. It’s crazy recruitment - although I did notice that sporting director, Filipino Gerali got the boot yesterday, which is not hugely surprising.

TTony · April 2023

Vintage65 said:

Rocker said:

Hard to see anything but a win for Real Madrid tonight.

They're still in 2nd gear.

You have to feel for Chelsea though.

They can change manager all they like - what's anyone supposed to do with such a threadbare squad? No talent to bring on from the bench, just a bunch of inexperienced £50m+ internationals

It's time the new owner put his hand in his pocket and brought in some new players to give the manager a chance.

guitars4you · April 2023

RobDavies said:

joneve said:

CharlieShaw said:

£165 million ‘not much money’. Nuff said!

On 30 players? that's an average of around £5-£5.5m per player. Which is literal peanuts for premier league players. We had no choice but to buy a whole new squad and have spent within our means (using the money from being promoted)...

Yeah but…. Shelvey, Lingard, Wood, Ayew…. What were they thinking? Never mind transfer fees, that’s probably £30-50m per annum in wages alone. It’s crazy recruitment - although I did notice that sporting director, Filipino Gerali got the boot yesterday, which is not hugely surprising.

Amazing how Lingard and Deli Alli have become such liabilities - 2018 world cup players and regular starters - To barely getting a seat on any bench - They were both talented players a while ago - Is there an easy answer to their decline or other

axisus · April 2023

guitars4you said:

RobDavies said:

joneve said:

CharlieShaw said:

£165 million ‘not much money’. Nuff said!

On 30 players? that's an average of around £5-£5.5m per player. Which is literal peanuts for premier league players. We had no choice but to buy a whole new squad and have spent within our means (using the money from being promoted)...

Yeah but…. Shelvey, Lingard, Wood, Ayew…. What were they thinking? Never mind transfer fees, that’s probably £30-50m per annum in wages alone. It’s crazy recruitment - although I did notice that sporting director, Filipino Gerali got the boot yesterday, which is not hugely surprising.

Amazing how Lingard and Deli Alli have become such liabilities - 2018 world cup players and regular starters - To barely getting a seat on any bench - They were both talented players a while ago - Is there an easy answer to their decline or other

It 'seems' relatively unprofessional in that they haven't fought to get back to the top but just sat back and accepted things, or maybe they never had the right mentality. I was never that convinced by Lingard at Man U. I could be way off base though, we don't know what mental struggles they may have. I'd like to see them both back to great form, but I wouldn't put money on it.

TeleMaster · April 2023

guitars4you said:

RobDavies said:

joneve said:

CharlieShaw said:

£165 million ‘not much money’. Nuff said!

On 30 players? that's an average of around £5-£5.5m per player. Which is literal peanuts for premier league players. We had no choice but to buy a whole new squad and have spent within our means (using the money from being promoted)...

Yeah but…. Shelvey, Lingard, Wood, Ayew…. What were they thinking? Never mind transfer fees, that’s probably £30-50m per annum in wages alone. It’s crazy recruitment - although I did notice that sporting director, Filipino Gerali got the boot yesterday, which is not hugely surprising.

Amazing how Lingard and Deli Alli have become such liabilities - 2018 world cup players and regular starters - To barely getting a seat on any bench - They were both talented players a while ago - Is there an easy answer to their decline or other

We dodged a bullet with him. He has so much talent and you don't want to speculate too much, but is it as simple as they don't have the motivation or are there external factors that are affecting their performances?

mikeyrob73 · April 2023

Dele Alli strikes me as someone who has just fallen out of love with the game. No doubting the talent the lad had, but without that drive and determination, talent counts for nothing

scrumhalf · April 2023

Dele suffered from several things.

There was a burglary/robbery that apparently shook him up badly.

He didn't have Christian Eriksen finding him with precise passes. Being part of a triangle with Eriksen and Kane made him the player he was.

When you're 21 and people say you are worth £100m, and it drives an ego, nothing good can come of it.

In his last couple of years at Spurs he must have known that he was playing poorly, he just seemed to lose his drive to succeed.

guitars4you · April 2023

TeleMaster said:

guitars4you said:

RobDavies said:

joneve said:

CharlieShaw said:

£165 million ‘not much money’. Nuff said!

On 30 players? that's an average of around £5-£5.5m per player. Which is literal peanuts for premier league players. We had no choice but to buy a whole new squad and have spent within our means (using the money from being promoted)...

Yeah but…. Shelvey, Lingard, Wood, Ayew…. What were they thinking? Never mind transfer fees, that’s probably £30-50m per annum in wages alone. It’s crazy recruitment - although I did notice that sporting director, Filipino Gerali got the boot yesterday, which is not hugely surprising.

Amazing how Lingard and Deli Alli have become such liabilities - 2018 world cup players and regular starters - To barely getting a seat on any bench - They were both talented players a while ago - Is there an easy answer to their decline or other

We dodged a bullet with him. He has so much talent and you don't want to speculate too much, but is it as simple as they don't have the motivation or are there external factors that are affecting their performances?

Kind of where I'm thinking, ditto Alli - But also wonder if they are asked to play a roll that doesn't suit them - I kind of see both as a 'lazy poor man's version' of Hoddle or Zidane - I don't mean in a crap way - But they would like to stroll around and do some 'fancy' work as and when it suits them - Most managers would not accept this in today's game - So maybe a conflict of interest and styles

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