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  • Leicester City fan since the late seventies. Obviously been a wonderful recent few years for us, though had to put up with a lot of rubbish football over the years. Always thought the highlight of my supporting them would never be surpassed by watching them win the League Cup at Wembley in 2000 (the 1997 win ended up at Hillborough).
    Only issue I have with our recent success is everyone assumes you've just jumped on a bandwagon, but I can take that, seeing as never in my wildest dreams did I think we'd ever win the first division. So this century I've managed to see my team win League Division One, Championship, Premier League, League Cup, FA Cup and Charity Shield, so have to say, I feel blessed by that, even though modern football is unrecognisable compared to when I first started watching. I remember our strike force in the early 80's of the experienced Steve Lynex alongside the young local lad Gary Lineker. Steve Lynex is now a plumber and I'm not sure what happened to the Lineker bloke.
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  • matt_seftonmatt_sefton Frets: 476
    Toon army born and bred!
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  • tony99tony99 Frets: 6650
    tony99 said:
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    Still gutted over the european super league not going through; that could well have been the first step for the english leagues going back to something watchable and less concerned with commercialism. As it stands the game's no longer what it was.
    Oh it’s going ahead. 

    yeah in another form I suppose. Just another example of what I believe is wrong with the modern game, there are plenty more. But if people enjoy it as it is then good luck to them I say!
    The whole concept of that potential elite league is wrong on so many levels - And too many points to discuss with just a few sentences - But give the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona more income, then do you think they will a) spend spend spend and end up with even more debt and a business model that is flawed or b) suddenly realise that they can run a profitable and sustainable business - I know where my bet would be going


    Yeah I suppose you're right; although as @TeleMaster says, it may be a moot point as the changes to the CL make it a de facto super league anyway.
    Bollocks you don't know Bono !!
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 9128
    edited April 2022
    West Brom fan here, season ticket holder for 22 years but this may be my last for a while, not just because they've been utter shite this season though that has contributed, but I've found it an inconvenience for a few seasons with very little to make it worthwhile. Basically we have run out of puff, we reached tenth or so in the prem but that was basically overachieving so there was only one way to go from there as we have no money and we are shit at recruitment. We are roughly where we should be in the league, so I don't see the point of keep going as there's very little to care about really. No hero players, very little interest in the playing style, and a cabbage head for a manager. 

    Also I don't want to watch a relegaton battle next season! At least in the prem it was worth it to watch good opposition Teams but the quality of the championship is very very poor
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  • Philly_QPhilly_Q Frets: 20197
    edited April 2022
    Swansea City supporter as that's where I was born and grew up, although my local (big) club is now Crystal Palace.

    I'm a keen follower of results and league tables rather than a watcher of actual games.  On a personal level I've always been hopeless at sport and although I definitely have a brain I do not have a "football brain" - I can't watch a game and see what formation they're playing, or that they're leaving huge gaps in midfield or that they're exposed down the left flank....

    I don't go to games but I listen to a lot of sports talk and commentaries on the radio.
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  • CHRISB50CHRISB50 Frets: 4001
    I'm an Arsenal fan. 

    I think I now have a good understanding of what manic depressives go through in life.

    We're so inconsistent. Not as bad as some but not where I'd like us to be either. 

    (I hope) Times look like they are changing. We've started building a decent squad of youngsters. Hopefully we can keep the group together while making some shrewd additions. 

    I used to go a lot, but life took over and now I don't. Arsenal season tickets are like rocking horse shit and I couldn't justify the cost, even if I could get one.

    I cancelled my membership after the Super League debacle.

    Looking like the match against our neighbours on 12th May could decide 4th. I can’t believe we gave away the advantage we had over the last few matches, but beating Chelski out a smile on my face. 

    I can't help about the shape I'm in, I can't sing I ain't pretty and my legs are thin

    But don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to

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  • kaypeejay said:
    rlw said:
    I live in York so no point in having any interest in football.

    Used to follow Leeds and Millwall - my local team - many years ago but don't really have any interest at all now.
    York still have a team and this year they got to the FA Trophy semi final. No team can be winning all the time, following your team is always a journey. I don’t watch much ‘top flight’ football nowadays, I get all my trials and tribulations from the ups and downs of Wrexham. It still ruins my Saturday if they lose and leaves me with a massive smile on my face if they win and I only follow the results via the live match thread on Wrexham’s forum. 
    As a Welshman I do follow the results of Wrexham, Swansea and Cardiff, though I don't really support any of them (my Welsh team being Newtown AFC!);  Wrexham are having a hell of a season…some crazy and dramatic results, a cup final and play offs to come; it's been very entertaining watching the activity of your two new owners, they've completely bought into the culture of the club, you've struck gold with them. Good luck!

    Non league football can be very entertaining, I’ve seen some Welsh Premier matches and I've been impressed with the level,  seen some good matches...... the experience at the grounds is very real, you're right up close to the pitch, you can wander round the pitch, lean on the barrier, see and hear everything. 
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  • TTonyTTony Frets: 26143
    CHRISB50 said:

    (I hope) Times look like they are changing. We've started building a decent squad of youngsters. Hopefully we can keep the group together while making some shrewd additions. 

    10 years or back, I (as a Spurs fan) used to look enviously at Arsenal, and wonder how we’d ever get back on level terms.

    Wenger was in total charge.  Seemingly endless stream of youngsters coming through, but never disturbing the identity of the core team.  Impressive new stadium with massive capacity.  (Proper) European football every year.

    Then we got Poch in.
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  • CHRISB50CHRISB50 Frets: 4001
    TTony said:
    CHRISB50 said:

    (I hope) Times look like they are changing. We've started building a decent squad of youngsters. Hopefully we can keep the group together while making some shrewd additions. 

    10 years or back, I (as a Spurs fan) used to look enviously at Arsenal, and wonder how we’d ever get back on level terms.

    Wenger was in total charge.  Seemingly endless stream of youngsters coming through, but never disturbing the identity of the core team.  Impressive new stadium with massive capacity.  (Proper) European football every year.

    Then we got Poch in.
    Indeed Wenger was a great coach. I can understand your envy. We had some great years under him. 

    Poch was a great coach for you guys. It’s just shame he never cemented his legacy by winning anything. 

    I can't help about the shape I'm in, I can't sing I ain't pretty and my legs are thin

    But don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to

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  • UnclePsychosisUnclePsychosis Frets: 12324
    stufisher said:
    This is a shout out for lower league and junior league teams ... I'm a Queen Of The South fan and we're on the brink of relegation to SFL 3rd flight. It's gut-wrenching.

    I suspect it'll take 5+ years to get back into Championship division ... nae money, nae squad, nae fans, nae easy solution given society's bigger economic challenges right now.

    I stopped watching premiership and premier league football a long time ago because it's so far from reality most of the time ... grass-roots stuff always feels more 'honest' to me.

    So, I wonder who else has a similar outlook?
    Queens going down has felt like a long time coming tbh. On the plus side you'll get to laugh at Falkirk in person next year so that must be a positive ;-)

    Thistle have had a distinctly meh season and appear to have fallen into the playoffs, mainly by virtue of being marginally less shite than Raith (and not torpedoing our own season by signing a rapist). Suspect we'll embarrass ourselves against Inverness and then need to look forward to next season. Hopefully we can also get rid of the viper in our boardroom too.

    Like you I've basically given up on the premier league. It's the emperor's new clothes in football form. 
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  • proggyproggy Frets: 5721
    @TeleMaster ; Arsenal supporter here. Can you have a quiet word with your boys about going easy on us next Sunday to help us pip Spurs to that 4th spot.
    Cheers.
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  • TeleMasterTeleMaster Frets: 9175
    proggy said:
    @TeleMaster ; Arsenal supporter here. Can you have a quiet word with your boys about going easy on us next Sunday to help us pip Spurs to that 4th spot.
    Cheers.
    I hope we absolutely smash you and get 6th :lol: 
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  • DoctorXDoctorX Frets: 291
    I’m a Blackburn fan by family inheritance. I didn’t grow up near to Blackburn though so I’ve only been to 2 matches (and they lost both).
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 9128
    Well I can honestly say that literally no actual football of any interest whatsoever occurred at the Hawthorns today, West Brom v Coventry. Biggest cheer of the game was when Coventry got a throw in late on in the match. Which I think says it all...
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 27656
    You have to say hats off to Eddie Howe - In 2022 only Liverpool have won more points than the 32 picked up by Newcastle, who are now 9th. He's doing a great job there. I'm not a Newcastle fan, but if ever there was a set of fans that deserve a bit of success it's them.

    Bundesliga - what a boring league. Bayern Munich just won for a 10th consecutive year. And I thought the Scottish league was dull!


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  • RobDaviesRobDavies Frets: 2983
    edited April 2022
    axisus said:
    You have to say hats off to Eddie Howe - In 2022 only Liverpool have won more points than the 32 picked up by Newcastle, who are now 9th. He's doing a great job there. I'm not a Newcastle fan, but if ever there was a set of fans that deserve a bit of success it's them.

    Bundesliga - what a boring league. Bayern Munich just won for a 10th consecutive year. And I thought the Scottish league was dull!


    Hats off to Eddie Howe for being able to spend £100m in the January transfer window.  
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  • TeleMasterTeleMaster Frets: 9175
    RobDavies said:
    axisus said:
    You have to say hats off to Eddie Howe - In 2022 only Liverpool have won more points than the 32 picked up by Newcastle, who are now 9th. He's doing a great job there. I'm not a Newcastle fan, but if ever there was a set of fans that deserve a bit of success it's them.

    Bundesliga - what a boring league. Bayern Munich just won for a 10th consecutive year. And I thought the Scottish league was dull!


    Hats off to Eddie Howe for being able to spend £100m in the January transfer window.  
    Yea. It's been a hard slog having an unlimited overdraft that he doesn't have to pay back! :lol: 
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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 7708
    RobDavies said:
    axisus said:
    You have to say hats off to Eddie Howe - In 2022 only Liverpool have won more points than the 32 picked up by Newcastle, who are now 9th. He's doing a great job there. I'm not a Newcastle fan, but if ever there was a set of fans that deserve a bit of success it's them.

    Bundesliga - what a boring league. Bayern Munich just won for a 10th consecutive year. And I thought the Scottish league was dull!


    Hats off to Eddie Howe for being able to spend £100m in the January transfer window.  
    I think football is full of plenty of managers who have spent a lot and it's not worked out.

    Howe has done a great job with the resources at his disposal.
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 27656
    RobDavies said:
    axisus said:
    You have to say hats off to Eddie Howe - In 2022 only Liverpool have won more points than the 32 picked up by Newcastle, who are now 9th. He's doing a great job there. I'm not a Newcastle fan, but if ever there was a set of fans that deserve a bit of success it's them.

    Bundesliga - what a boring league. Bayern Munich just won for a 10th consecutive year. And I thought the Scottish league was dull!


    Hats off to Eddie Howe for being able to spend £100m in the January transfer window.  
    Football is more that just the money spent. Look at the amount wasted by several Man U managers, Van Gaal & Mourinho with BIG reputations as well. 
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  • TeleMasterTeleMaster Frets: 9175
    axisus said:
    RobDavies said:
    axisus said:
    You have to say hats off to Eddie Howe - In 2022 only Liverpool have won more points than the 32 picked up by Newcastle, who are now 9th. He's doing a great job there. I'm not a Newcastle fan, but if ever there was a set of fans that deserve a bit of success it's them.

    Bundesliga - what a boring league. Bayern Munich just won for a 10th consecutive year. And I thought the Scottish league was dull!


    Hats off to Eddie Howe for being able to spend £100m in the January transfer window.  
    Football is more that just the money spent. Look at the amount wasted by several Man U managers, Van Gaal & Mourinho with BIG reputations as well. 
    Didn't Ed Woodward deal with all of that? As far as I know Mourinho would give them a list of targets and they would work their way down the list. And Mourinho got 2nd in the Prem with a squad filled with players who were his 4th choice. Considering the absolute mess there that seems like it is one of his biggest achievements. 
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  • UnclePsychosisUnclePsychosis Frets: 12324
    RobDavies said:
    axisus said:
    You have to say hats off to Eddie Howe - In 2022 only Liverpool have won more points than the 32 picked up by Newcastle, who are now 9th. He's doing a great job there. I'm not a Newcastle fan, but if ever there was a set of fans that deserve a bit of success it's them.

    Bundesliga - what a boring league. Bayern Munich just won for a 10th consecutive year. And I thought the Scottish league was dull!


    Hats off to Eddie Howe for being able to spend £100m in the January transfer window.  
    Its very easy to say that, but since people keep saying it and I'm a stats nerd I did some digging.

    The £100m was spent on Trippier, Guimaraes, and Wood.

    Trippier has been injured and has barely played. Guimaraes didn't start for over a month, and was getting five, six, seven mins as a sub. There were headlines in the press about his frustration at lack of game time. Wood is a signing that everyone mocked. 

    Howe has done an absolutely remarkable job no matter how you cut it. Newcastle didnt win in their first ten games, but since January they've outperformed everyone in the league except Liverpool. Suddenly that £100m (and its caveats as above) to do better than City, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs, etc. seems like a very small number indeed. 
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  • TeleMasterTeleMaster Frets: 9175
    RobDavies said:
    axisus said:
    You have to say hats off to Eddie Howe - In 2022 only Liverpool have won more points than the 32 picked up by Newcastle, who are now 9th. He's doing a great job there. I'm not a Newcastle fan, but if ever there was a set of fans that deserve a bit of success it's them.

    Bundesliga - what a boring league. Bayern Munich just won for a 10th consecutive year. And I thought the Scottish league was dull!


    Hats off to Eddie Howe for being able to spend £100m in the January transfer window.  
    Its very easy to say that, but since people keep saying it and I'm a stats nerd I did some digging.

    The £100m was spent on Trippier, Guimaraes, and Wood.

    Trippier has been injured and has barely played. Guimaraes didn't start for over a month, and was getting five, six, seven mins as a sub. There were headlines in the press about his frustration at lack of game time. Wood is a signing that everyone mocked. 

    Howe has done an absolutely remarkable job no matter how you cut it. Newcastle didnt win in their first ten games, but since January they've outperformed everyone in the league except Liverpool. Suddenly that £100m (and its caveats as above) to do better than City, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs, etc. seems like a very small number indeed. 
    If so, that's a fair point and a good analysis and you would have to take your hat off to him. 
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  • mudslide73mudslide73 Frets: 2921
    Well I can honestly say that literally no actual football of any interest whatsoever occurred at the Hawthorns today, West Brom v Coventry. Biggest cheer of the game was when Coventry got a throw in late on in the match. Which I think says it all...
    I finally caved and didn't go. We've only missed 4 games this season but I'd had enough yesterday. I'm not sure old Cheesy Chips is the man tbh. 
    "A city star won’t shine too far"


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  • UnclePsychosisUnclePsychosis Frets: 12324
    axisus said:


    Bundesliga - what a boring league. Bayern Munich just won for a 10th consecutive year. And I thought the Scottish league was dull!


    English football is going exactly the same way as Scottish football, you just haven't realised it yet. 

    TBH all leagues are doing it. There's a small number of moneybags clubs hoovering up the trophies. 


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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 9128
    Well I can honestly say that literally no actual football of any interest whatsoever occurred at the Hawthorns today, West Brom v Coventry. Biggest cheer of the game was when Coventry got a throw in late on in the match. Which I think says it all...
    I finally caved and didn't go. We've only missed 4 games this season but I'd had enough yesterday. I'm not sure old Cheesy Chips is the man tbh. 
    I'm not going to the last match, I literally can think of any number of better things to do. I'm thinking a year or two off might help me appreciate it more if I do choose to go back, or indeed confirm to me it's pointless and to follow the sport instead of a team
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  • TeleMasterTeleMaster Frets: 9175
    axisus said:


    Bundesliga - what a boring league. Bayern Munich just won for a 10th consecutive year. And I thought the Scottish league was dull!


    English football is going exactly the same way as Scottish football, you just haven't realised it yet. 

    TBH all leagues are doing it. There's a small number of moneybags clubs hoovering up the trophies. 


    In the Prem, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea are the main contenders for the league, and Man Utd have been in the mix most seasons. Then you've got Arsenal and West Ham, Leicester and Spurs who have all got chances of making top 4 with a couple of them pushing for the title, with one even winning it.

    So while I do agree that at the moment it really is between Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea, I do think there's a lot of competition generally, and now Newcastle will be up there too. 

    There's obviously issues with the likes of Chelsea, City, Newcastle and how they get their money, but I do think there's a lot of competitiveness in the EPL and teams have periods of dominance and those teams change regularly. 
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  • mudslide73mudslide73 Frets: 2921
    Well I can honestly say that literally no actual football of any interest whatsoever occurred at the Hawthorns today, West Brom v Coventry. Biggest cheer of the game was when Coventry got a throw in late on in the match. Which I think says it all...
    I finally caved and didn't go. We've only missed 4 games this season but I'd had enough yesterday. I'm not sure old Cheesy Chips is the man tbh. 
    I'm not going to the last match, I literally can think of any number of better things to do. I'm thinking a year or two off might help me appreciate it more if I do choose to go back, or indeed confirm to me it's pointless and to follow the sport instead of a team
    The last game is the same weekend as the Bham Guitar show anyway - I'd arranged to go on the Sunday but may do Saturday now. I'm looking at a membership rather than an ST next time as there are so many week night matches. My boy has been coming down on the train as I work in Bham but live in Stafford - previously I'd been coming back for him. I'm similar to you in that they've really tested my loyalty with their can't be arsed-ness this last few years.
    "A city star won’t shine too far"


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  • UnclePsychosisUnclePsychosis Frets: 12324
    axisus said:


    Bundesliga - what a boring league. Bayern Munich just won for a 10th consecutive year. And I thought the Scottish league was dull!


    English football is going exactly the same way as Scottish football, you just haven't realised it yet. 

    TBH all leagues are doing it. There's a small number of moneybags clubs hoovering up the trophies. 


    In the Prem, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea are the main contenders for the league, and Man Utd have been in the mix most seasons. Then you've got Arsenal and West Ham, Leicester and Spurs who have all got chances of making top 4 with a couple of them pushing for the title, with one even winning it.

    So while I do agree that at the moment it really is between Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea, I do think there's a lot of competition generally, and now Newcastle will be up there too. 

    There's obviously issues with the likes of Chelsea, City, Newcastle and how they get their money, but I do think there's a lot of competitiveness in the EPL and teams have periods of dominance and those teams change regularly. 

    Scottish football is really competitive outside the top two. But "hur hur, two horse race" is whats used to deride the Scottish game by people who seem to have failed to spot exactly the same thing happening in England. So England's closed shop at the top absolutely needs to be seen in the same light. The fact that finishing "top four" is a major goal for so many is a laughable indictment of how much English fans have drunk the Sky-supplied Kool Aid rather than a measure of an exciting setup. Remember when winning things was the aim? 

    The only real difference between Aberdeen fans and Spurs fans is that Aberdeen fans have no delusions about their chances. Oh, and they don't have to pay £1500 for a season ticket to see their team win nothing. 

     Borrowed from elsewhere:

    In the 80s there were thirteen different clubs in England who won major trophies. This included Wimbledon, Luton, Oxford, Coventry, Norwich, Wolves, Forest. The 90s saw 12 different winners, including the likes of Villa, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Leicester. By the 2000s it's down to 9 winners, but you've still got Spurs, Portsmouth, Blackburn etc getting their hands on trophies.

    In the last decade only four trophies in English football have been won by clubs outwith what we could call "England's Old Firm". Leicester have won two, Wigan, and Swansea.

    That's four trophies out of the last thirty going to the same closed shop. They're fucked too. People laugh at Spurs, for example, for not winning anything. But they're up against a closed shop. Trophies now are basically only won by a tiny group of clubs and that's just the way it's going. 

    In Scotland 9 of the last 30 trophies have been won by clubs outwith Celtic and Rangers, so you could argue that in a way a Hearts, Aberdeen, St Mirren, or Ross County fan is better off than an Everton or Aston Villa fan. We're all in the same boat in that our teams won't win the league, but we've got a better chance of maybe winning a cup.


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  • Philly_QPhilly_Q Frets: 20197
    In the Prem, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea are the main contenders for the league, and Man Utd have been in the mix most seasons. Then you've got Arsenal and West Ham, Leicester and Spurs who have all got chances of making top 4 with a couple of them pushing for the title, with one even winning it.

    So while I do agree that at the moment it really is between Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea, I do think there's a lot of competition generally, and now Newcastle will be up there too. 

    There's obviously issues with the likes of Chelsea, City, Newcastle and how they get their money, but I do think there's a lot of competitiveness in the EPL and teams have periods of dominance and those teams change regularly. 
    And Chelsea's future is very much up in the air.  Of course there'll be new owners but who knows how they'll want to run things.
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  • TeleMasterTeleMaster Frets: 9175
    Philly_Q said:
    In the Prem, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea are the main contenders for the league, and Man Utd have been in the mix most seasons. Then you've got Arsenal and West Ham, Leicester and Spurs who have all got chances of making top 4 with a couple of them pushing for the title, with one even winning it.

    So while I do agree that at the moment it really is between Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea, I do think there's a lot of competition generally, and now Newcastle will be up there too. 

    There's obviously issues with the likes of Chelsea, City, Newcastle and how they get their money, but I do think there's a lot of competitiveness in the EPL and teams have periods of dominance and those teams change regularly. 
    And Chelsea's future is very much up in the air.  Of course there'll be new owners but who knows how they'll want to run things.
    I imagine they'll want to carry on and give themselves a chance of getting their investment back by strengthening their squad to compete as they always have. No one is spending £3bn on a club to sit in mid table.

    I reckon they'll try and sign Rice as a statement signing. 
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