Western Jam, Saturday 2nd October, 2021 -- Factory Studios, Bristol

Vibetronic · August 2021

I’ll hopefully chip in properly in the next day or 2 (and pay!). Baby teething at the moment is not good for sleep/free time/wife’s mood!!

Brocco · August 2021

stratman3142 said:

Sorry to mess everyone around but there's a risk I might not be able to make it owing to family commitments. However, I still hope to make it. I won't know until about a couple of weeks before the date. I won't want my money back.

In the mean time, I'm generating some chord charts because my memory is crap these days.
PM me with your email if anyone wants copies of the chord charts I'm generating.

really hope you can make it - will pm you on the chart charts

stratman3142 · August 2021

I'm not sure if anyone else has been having problems with this. I've been driving myself nuts tryng to work out the timing of the two intro guitar parts for Cold Hard Bitch. I believe they've clipped the start as a timing confuser in the version posted on Spotify.

Anyway things became much clearer when I found this acoustic version. Hopefully it helps others.

onlyonebradders · August 2021

stratman3142 said:

I'm not sure if anyone else has been having problems with this. I've been driving myself nuts tryng to work out the timing of the two intro guitar parts for Cold Hard Bitch. I believe they've clipped the start as a timing confuser in the version posted on Spotify.

Anyway things became much clearer when I found this acoustic version. Hopefully it helps others.

It’s a bit confusing because the bass drum is on the 3 not the 1… it’s doing my head in too as the drummer!

stratman3142 · August 2021

@onlyonebradders during the intro from bar 9, I'm hearing the kick and bass on the 2 and 4. But when that part comes in again towards the end of the song I'm hearing the kick and bass on the 1 and 3. It's really doing my head in as well. There's lots of opportunity for unintentional rhythmic displacement

Brocco · August 2021

There are several tracks which are a long way from having a full band, and as we said we would make a decision this weekend on what additional tracks would be dropped, have tagged everyone as this is probably your last opportunity to save tracks that still do not have at least one full band line-up by putting your name down for an open role:

@stratman3142, @bobblehat, @Funkfingers, @Handsome_Chris, ;;;@nickp, @roberty, @mart, @Vibetronic, @spark240, @Jonathangus, @onlyonebradders, @nicos236

stratman3142 · August 2021

@Brocco I've just PM'd you.

spark240 · August 2021

Te song list seems to have gone a bit haywire for me ....I mean I can't tell who's doing what

Brocco · August 2021

okay, suggesting that we drop Bathroom Wall, Rock of Ages, Rebel Rebel, London Calling, The One I Love, Under The Bridge and Johnny B. Goode, as each of these tracks has only two band roles filled, which has remained the case for sometime.

In terms of the remaining tracks (see the updated list in the first post), it probably makes sense to consider these to be our provisional setlist. Key roles that remain unfilled in this shorter list include vox for You Really Got Me, Talk Dirty To Me and Since You've Been Gone, and lead guitar on Hard To Handle and Rocks. Several bass roles also remain unfilled.

Brocco · August 2021

spark240 said:

Te song list seems to have gone a bit haywire for me ....I mean I can't tell who's doing what

apologies, have made an edit in the first post - clearer now?

mart · August 2021

You can stick me down for rhythm on That's Entertainment if that helps.

And, to confirm, the songs I'm playing bass on, I'm happy to play them twice if wanted.

I'll have a look at the bass part for some of the other songs and see if there is any chance I can manage one of two of them as well.

Brocco · August 2021

mart said:

You can stick me down for rhythm on That's Entertainment if that helps.

And, to confirm, the songs I'm playing bass on, I'm happy to play them twice if wanted.

I'll have a look at the bass part for some of the other songs and see if there is any chance I can manage one of two of them as well.

Thank you @mart ;

bobblehat · August 2021

Brocco said:

okay, suggesting that we drop Bathroom Wall, Rock of Ages, Rebel Rebel, London Calling, The One I Love, Under The Bridge and Johnny B. Goode, as each of these tracks has only two band roles filled, which has remained the case for sometime.

In terms of the remaining tracks (see the updated list in the first post), it probably makes sense to consider these to be our provisional setlist. Key roles that remain unfilled in this shorter list include vox for You Really Got Me, Talk Dirty To Me and Since You've Been Gone, and lead guitar on Hard To Handle and Rocks. Several bass roles also remain unfilled.

Stick me down for Lead on Rocks if you want. I might as well while I'm there

Brocco · August 2021

@bobblehat many thanks, list updated

spark240 · August 2021

I didn’t think there was any lead as such on rocks ?

bobblehat · August 2021

Brocco said:

@bobblehat many thanks, list updated

not much about 4 bars

stratman3142 · August 2021

It looks likely that I will be able to make it now.

Although guitar is my primary instrument, I would be happy to fill in on bass as required.

I'll bring my bass as well as a guitar. I don't have a bass amp but I understand there might be something there that I can use.

Brocco · August 2021

@stratman3142 great news and thank you!

mart · August 2021

stratman3142 said:

...
I'll bring my bass as well as a guitar. I don't have a bass amp but I understand there might be something there that I can use.

Glad to hear of another bassist coming.
I'll be bringing a head, and there was an Ampeg 8x10 last time, so we should be ok.

stratman3142 · August 2021

Can I check the keys, of what I think are the current potential songs

Cold Hard Bitch: A

Hard To Handle: B

Is She Really Going Out With Him: Bb (but starts on Dm7)

Johnny B. Goode: Whatever, it's a 12 bar

Just What I Needed: E

Keep Your Hands To Yourself: A

Lil' Devil: D

Richard III: A

Rocks: A

Since You've Been Gone: G

Talk Dirty To Me: G but 1st chord is a C (a semitone higher than the original because IIRC that's what someone requested)

That's Entertainment: Gm

You Give Love A Bad Name: Cm

You Really Got Me: Ab or A. The original Kinks version is about 1/3 cent above concert pitch Ab. And I believe Van Halen did it in A tuned and down a semitone? Will the Van Halen stuff only work in A? I don't mind but I guess the vocalist might.

bobblehat · August 2021

Would prefer to sing Lil' Devil tuned down a semitone but can see how it goes on the day and adjust to suit

Brocco · August 2021

last push to try and complete the provisional setlist:

anyone up for lead on Hard To Handle, Is She Really Going Out With Him and That's Entertainment (if indeed there are lead guitar roles on the last two)?

anyone up for vocals on Since You've Been Gone, Talk Dirty To Me and You Really Got Me?

stratman3142 · August 2021

I believe Hard To Hand also needs a bass player as well, looking at the original post. I can do lead guitar or play bass on Hard To Handle. Although I can't do both at the same time, unless you want a bass solo (which is not a good idea)

I don't think there is lead guitar as such on 'Is She Really Going Out With Him' or 'That's Entertainment'. Someone correct me if I've missed something there.

I'm happy to fill in on guitar (lead or rhythm) or bass on any of the tracks currently listed, to fill any gaps where needed.

spark240 · August 2021

No lead on Joe Jackson or Jam

mart · August 2021

I'll do the bass on Hard to handle, leaving @stratman3142 free to do lead.

Brocco · August 2021

Brocco said:

last push to try and complete the provisional setlist:

anyone up for lead on Hard To Handle, Is She Really Going Out With Him and That's Entertainment (if indeed there are lead guitar roles on the last two)?

anyone up for vocals on Since You've Been Gone, Talk Dirty To Me and You Really Got Me?

thanks for all the commitments, specific or open, to fill some of the open band roles: only vocals for Since You've Been Gone, Talk Dirty To Me and You Really Got Me now remain open.

A couple of points on the setlist in the first post: where you see "covered" this means that someone has kindly given a commitment to step in should someone not specifically request that band role.

In a similar vein, where we have more members interested in a particular track than there are band roles, we will run through the track as many times as is necessary to ensure that everyone who has specifically requested to play on the track gets to do so. It follows that anyone whose forum name is shown in brackets are part of band line-up #1 for a track, and it is assumed they are also happy to play on additional run-throughs should no-one else come forward to take that role in band line-up #2 or #3, etc.

A thought for the multi-talented amongst us: if you are interested in taking more than one type of band role that cannot combined in one performance (say bass and guitar), there is no reason why you have to choose one over the other, simply request to play on both and we will ensure that the final running order accommodates you.

stratman3142 · August 2021

Brocco said:
...there is no reason why you have to choose one over the other, simply request to play on both and we will ensure that the final running order accommodates you.

I'm happy to be a gap filler on guitar or bass. I'm happy to play or not play on any song.

I've done chord charts for all of them so I don't have to memorise them, because I'm afraid my memory is crap these days. As I said before, if anyone is interest in charts then PM me.

Brocco · August 2021

As we will all be together at Factory Studios 5 weeks tomorrow, it may be sensible to drop Since You've Been Gone, Talk Dirty To Me and You Really Got Me unless a volunteer for vocals comes forward this weekend. This would leave us with 10 tracks remaining on the 'official' setlist, which I would suggest we complement with very well known classic tracks that lend themselves to informal jamming on the day (no tricky drum parts/timing, no strange keys for vocalists, and plenty of scope for freestyle soloing). Please come forward and suggest a track or two over the course of this weekend.

stratman3142 · August 2021

Brocco said:

As we will all be together at Factory Studios 5 weeks tomorrow, it may be sensible to drop Since You've Been Gone, Talk Dirty To Me and You Really Got Me unless a volunteer for vocals comes forward this weekend. This would leave us with 10 tracks remaining on the 'official' setlist, which I would suggest we complement with very well known classic tracks that lend themselves to informal jamming on the day (no tricky drum parts/timing, no strange keys for vocalists, and plenty of scope for freestyle soloing). Please come forward and suggest a track or two over the course of this weekend.

Regarding well known classic tracks, I'll go with whatever the vocalists suggest and the keys they want, provided I know in advance so I can check I know them.

As food for thought, below are some ideas, but feel free to ignore me.

The Thrill Is Gone (BB King) - a nice minor blues
Crossroads (Cream)
Ain't No Sunshine
Pride and Joy (SRV) or Sweet Home Chicago (Blues Brother) - one or other because they're quite similar
Let's Stick Together
Wild Thing
Tush (ZZ Top)
Get It On (T Rex)
Long Train Running
Superstition
Funky Music

Brocco · August 2021

Adding to the suggestions from @stratman3142 for jamming tracks, how about:

Beat It
Rocking In The Free World
Hold Your Head Up

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