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Stuckfast · July 2019

Anderson and Woakes for sure. Archer seems to be nursing a side injury and Wood is injury prone too so I doubt either will play all the Tests. Broad hasn't been tearing up any trees for Notts this season (whereas Anderson's average is ridiculous, albeit in div 2).

guitars4you · July 2019

SouthpawMark said:

Kohli whining about the short boundary... were India not allowed to target it too? Pretty pathetic excuse. If he’s looking for a reason for the loss, he could start by asking why Dhoni played for his average, rather than hit out in an attempt to win.

India just scored a 6 early on at Edgbaston - on the short boundary - Is Kohli smiling now or still moaning ??

crunchman · July 2019

Stuckfast said:

Anderson and Woakes for sure. Archer seems to be nursing a side injury and Wood is injury prone too so I doubt either will play all the Tests. Broad hasn't been tearing up any trees for Notts this season (whereas Anderson's average is ridiculous, albeit in div 2).

As far as I know, Woakes's knees are a bit iffy, and they are having to manage his workload. He's ok for ten overs in a ODI every few days, but I'm not sure if he would be capable of bowling 20 overs in a day, and coming back and bowling another 15 the next day.

Anderson is a certainty, as is Stokes. You need two more quick bowlers, unless it's a raging Bunsen where you play two spinners. I think Archer will be one of those two.

That probably leaves the last place between Broad, Woakes, and Wood. Playing Archer and Wood together would be a gamble. They won't want to overload Archer by making him bowl too many overs, they don't want Stokes bowling 20 overs a day, and Wood hasn't been durable. Given Woakes's knee issues, I suspect they will go with Broad.

Personally, I wouldn't pick Broad. I think he's past his best. If he plays, he'll probably end up like Gillespie in 2005. Personally I'd pick Wood and go with Leach as the spinner. I think he could have the capability to tie up an end and keep it tight, and reduce the workload on the quicks. Moeen and Rashid can't do that. They are attacking options but they can't bowl dry in unfavourable conditions.

Meanwhile, India are off to a flyer against Bangladesh. Looks like Pakistan might be the only side we need to worry about now, as Sri Lanka's net run rate is much worse than ours.

crunchman · July 2019

I shouldn't have said Anderson is a certainty! He's just hobbled off mid-over in a Lancashire match. Potential calamity.

RandallFlagg · July 2019

Back to the CWC:

From BBC cricket commentary:

"England need India to win today. If Bangladesh win today, they join Pakistan on 9 points. Combine that with an England defeat tomorrow, and fourth place would go to the winner of the Pakistan/Bangladesh tie. Just in case any of us were feeling re-assured after Sunday...."

It looks like Bangladesh haven't turned up against India so far as India romp to 135-0 after 20 over, so Bangladesh may well fall out.

guitars4you · July 2019

Has someone changed the wicket - First 15/20 overs and great - last 10/15 overs poor - Might struggle to get 300 now , when 350-380 looked like par

scrumhalf · July 2019

We're making very hard work of this.

cj73 · July 2019

guitars4you said:

Has someone changed the wicket - First 15/20 overs and great - last 10/15 overs poor - Might struggle to get 300 now , when 350-380 looked like par

It's not like the Kiwi's get a new wicket at the start of their innings......

earwighoney · July 2019

What's happened to Jos Buttler? He's had a relatively poor WC.

For a guy who's held by some of the Sky pundits as the best player in the world he's not really looked up to it.

menamestom · July 2019

Reasonable end to the innings, should have scored more but gives us a decent chance.

SouthpawMark · July 2019

Not enough.

guitars4you · July 2019

SouthpawMark said:

Not enough.

at least 30 short based on what the initial projected score was - Probably around 70/80 short on a potential score when Bairstow was still in - Stokes was poor today - The issue is not how many runs he scored it was the amount of dot balls and Morgan little better

I think we have just batted ourselves out of the competition

guitars4you · July 2019

cj73 said:

guitars4you said:

Has someone changed the wicket - First 15/20 overs and great - last 10/15 overs poor - Might struggle to get 300 now , when 350-380 looked like par

It's not like the Kiwi's get a new wicket at the start of their innings......

No but they can now ignore our first 15/20 over score and bat for a controlled 6 an over rate without taking any risks

earwighoney · July 2019

2 early wickets. The game should be England's.

Sensational catch for the second wicket.

crunchman · July 2019

Don't like TMS talking about NZ and Pakistan net run rates. That's asking for trouble. Probably a 200 run stand between these two now.

scrumhalf · July 2019

Wicket seems to have changed somwhat. NZ need 180 off 23 overs. Not impossible but surely unlikely.

iseverynamegone · July 2019

Job done.

SouthpawMark · July 2019

My jinx worked again. You’re welcome.

cj73 · July 2019

guitars4you said:

cj73 said:

guitars4you said:

Has someone changed the wicket - First 15/20 overs and great - last 10/15 overs poor - Might struggle to get 300 now , when 350-380 looked like par

It's not like the Kiwi's get a new wicket at the start of their innings......

No but they can now ignore our first 15/20 over score and bat for a controlled 6 an over rate without taking any risks

I think they'd rather ignore their own first 15/20... ;-)

RandallFlagg · July 2019

NZ look happy to poke and prod for singles, the wind has left their sails. Barring a sudden exceptional flurry of batting England should be through and face India, again at Edgbaston. I fear India will be harder to beat 2nd time around.

sixstringsupplies · July 2019

earwighoney said:

What's happened to Jos Buttler? He's had a relatively poor WC.

For a guy who's held by some of the Sky pundits as the best player in the world he's not really looked up to it.

He’s that one of a kind type of player who will turn in on in the semis/final, ie when it really matters. A week ago I stated in this very thread that England didn’t deserve to reach the semis. If you beat India and NZ, then I guess you deserve it. Reaching the semis is an achievement, whoever we play, as long as we Play to our potential, game on. But I’m waiting for The Ashes.

sixstringsupplies · July 2019

Anderson is injured, but 4 weeks to recover. Should be fine.

my ashes lineup is: (for the first test, cos let’s be honest, the selectors won’t look past broad and Anderson, with good reason)

1) Roy
2) to be decided
3) to be deicded
4) Root
5) stokes
6) buttler
7) bairstow
8) woakes
9) what was that off spinner who debuted last summer? Him. Forgot his name sorry...(if no spinner, then Curran)
10) broad
11) Anderson

for the second test, I expect archer willl come into play.

the problem with the “to be decided spots” is there isn’t much to come. I’d give Ballance another go, decent average at test level. Ballance at 3, it will never happen but I’d play Hameed at 2, yes he’s been shocking for 2 years but this is test cricket, not county. His test record is decent against a decent team.

id try and find a place for Curran. Left arm, and I HATE the word but he’s got the “spunk” which is rare. He’d Relish the occasion. And after last summer (and his IPL) he can feel hard done by if he is not selected.

On on a side note, i feel that Tom Curran actually playing in the World Cup means England would have qualified for the semis last week. Loves the occasion.

SouthpawMark · July 2019

If Ballance gets ANOTHER chance then we really are in trouble. He got found out after a few matches in test cricket, and his test average is still inflated from those early knocks, before bowlers worked out that he had a weakness against the straight ball.

sixstringsupplies · July 2019

^true, but there ain’t much else!

Also, Trescothick (circa 28) and Vaughan (30s) had bang average first class avaerages when they were selected for international duty, sometimes it takes bit of “spunk” (Christ I hate saying it) which is why I think Hameed should play. He’a as defensive as Cook.

The other one is Vince, he might be at 3 for the first test

Gassage · July 2019

RandallFlagg said:

Adil Rashid not singing the national anthem. Appalling. Are you not proud to be in that English shirt boy?

How wittering on about saving an irrelevant but admittedly nice old woman from a fate as yet undetermined, thus ensuring her happiness, but who appears to in no danger whatsoever, is relevant to a team sport is beyond my comprehension.

sixstringsupplies · July 2019

Gassage said:

RandallFlagg said:

Adil Rashid not singing the national anthem. Appalling. Are you not proud to be in that English shirt boy?

How wittering on about saving an irrelevant but admittedly nice old woman from a fate as yet undetermined, thus ensuring her happiness, but who appears to in no danger whatsoever, is relevant to a team sport is beyond my comprehension.

They should replace it with Jerusalem.

SouthpawMark · July 2019

sixstringsupplies said:

^true, but there ain’t much else!

Also, Trescothick (circa 28) and Vaughan (30s) had bang average first class avaerages when they were selected for international duty, sometimes it takes bit of “spunk” (Christ I hate saying it) which is why I think Hameed should play. He’a as defensive as Cook.

The other one is Vince, he might be at 3 for the first test

The cupboard is bare. You’re right about Trescothick & Vaughan’s FC averages when they first got picked for England. However, they hit the ground running, and continued to play well. Ballance started well, got found out, got dropped, came back, continued to be found out, and got dropped again. I don’t think he’ll get a 3rd chance, but you never know with the wheelie bin and the chuckle brothers in charge of England cricket now.

Gassage · July 2019

Hameed is not a test player. Not in a million years. He plays with his hands far too low. He's averaging 30 in Div 2 which is barely club premier league standard.

Roy and Burns, make Root bat at 3. If you need an outsider, Dom Sibley is the one that's said pick me. Alternatively Bairstow bats top 3 and Foakes keeps.

If Archer isn't selected, the selectors need certifying. The Aussies would be delighted if England didn't pick him. Sam Curran, in August, will be effectively a long distance spinner.

You'd not want Woakes and Broad playing in the same side if Mark Wood is fit. It'll be August not May or June.

Re World Cup, England need to recall Mo for Rashid. We're a batter short at the moment- against India at Edgbaston I'd be inclined to go seam only in any case.

guitars4you · July 2019

guitars4you said:

SouthpawMark said:

Not enough.

at least 30 short based on what the initial projected score was - Probably around 70/80 short on a potential score when Bairstow was still in - Stokes was poor today - The issue is not how many runs he scored it was the amount of dot balls and Morgan little better

I think we have just batted ourselves out of the competition

ye of little faith - good job done in the end

I still think we need to look at the last 20 overs - 2 matches on the trot, v India + NZ we have been in a great position at the 30 over mark and not taken further advantage of it - Last 20 overs today for around 100 runs with 8/9 wickets in hand - that might cost us one day

Gassage · July 2019

On a personal level, I have the lovely 600 mile round trip to Berwick on Tweed on Sunday for MCC for Durham's 200th celebrations, MCC v Eastcote on 21/7 then 3 days of more MCC first week of August.

I am so unfit that switching to a 1.5mm plectrum constitutes a weight training regime.

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