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Heartfeltdawn · June 2021

I hope whoever designed this page and graphics and everything has a Twitter history full of jokes about the Chinese.

https://www.thehundred.com/info/entertainment-at-the-hundred

For sheer vomit commercialism, it manages to beat the 2016 Greene King Christmas guide to employees. That's some going.

jpfamps · June 2021

Heartfeltdawn said:

I hope whoever designed this page and graphics and everything has a Twitter history full of jokes about the Chinese.

https://www.thehundred.com/info/entertainment-at-the-hundred

For sheer vomit commercialism, it manages to beat the 2016 Greene King Christmas guide to employees. That's some going.

Wow that is shocking.

Looks like an 8 year old's homework.

Heartfeltdawn · June 2021

jpfamps said:

Wow that is shocking.

Looks like an 8 year old's homework.

Going through the merchandise section is even more depressing. I don't think I've ever wanted anything to crash and burn and fail more than The Hundred.

jpfamps · June 2021

Heartfeltdawn said:

jpfamps said:

Wow that is shocking.

Looks like an 8 year old's homework.

Going through the merchandise section is even more depressing. I don't think I've ever wanted anything to crash and burn and fail more than The Hundred.

What a load of old tut!

Yeah, I have to admit I'm not really enamoured of The Hundred.

It looks to me that the ECB regret missing out of the riches of a franchise Twenty20 tournament, and are vainly hoping to avoid making this completely obvious by inventing another format using the excuse that said format will make the game easier to understand, despite making the rules more complicated.

I can't really see how The Hundred would be any more attractive than a francise Twenty20 tournament which could attract the top stars from around the World.

Stuckfast · June 2021

jpfamps said:
It would have been 1988 or so I played against Granta.

Oh -- well before my time in that case. I only started playing there mid-90s.

jpfamps · June 2021

Stuckfast said:

jpfamps said:
It would have been 1988 or so I played against Granta.

Oh -- well before my time in that case. I only started playing there mid-90s.

I can't remember playing Granta in late 90s, which does not exclude the possibility I did!

pedalo · June 2021

I remember getting loads of emails the week when the hundred tickets were going on sale urging me not to miss out as if tickets are going to be like gold dust. Very ambitious marketing!

I’ll give it a chance but not particularly interested in it succeeding. Just seems like a sticking plaster over the ECB giving away rights to T20.

sixstringsupplies · June 2021

It has come to light that another England player in the current squad posted offensive tweets as a 16 year old.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/another-england-men-s-player-found-to-have-posted-discriminatory-content-1265504

Imagine if it was Joe Root!

Edit: yet to turn 16 at the time. https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

Heartfeltdawn · June 2021

jpfamps said:

It looks to me that the ECB regret missing out of the riches of a franchise Twenty20 tournament, and are vainly hoping to avoid making this completely obvious by inventing another format using the excuse that said format will make the game easier to understand, despite making the rules more complicated.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45515806

"The England and Wales Cricket Board has applied for overseas trademarks for the format for its new competition, which is to be introduced in 2020.

Nations planning to run their own version may have to seek ECB approval.

The ECB has filed to trademark "The Hundred" in India, Australia, New Zealand and Ireland, and is understood to be considering other countries.

The tournament's format, which is set to take place over 100 balls per innings, will be trialled from Friday.

An overseas trademark could mean that the ECB could demand payment from other international boards that want to play a version of the 100-ball format.

However, it is thought to be too early in the development of the format for the ECB to consider charging for its use.

Still, the ECB sees the application for a trademark as prudent given the investment, research and marketing that has so far gone into or will go into the new competition."

crunchman · June 2021

Heartfeltdawn said:

jpfamps said:

It looks to me that the ECB regret missing out of the riches of a franchise Twenty20 tournament, and are vainly hoping to avoid making this completely obvious by inventing another format using the excuse that said format will make the game easier to understand, despite making the rules more complicated.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45515806

"The England and Wales Cricket Board has applied for overseas trademarks for the format for its new competition, which is to be introduced in 2020.
Nations planning to run their own version may have to seek ECB approval.
The ECB has filed to trademark "The Hundred" in India, Australia, New Zealand and Ireland, and is understood to be considering other countries.
The tournament's format, which is set to take place over 100 balls per innings, will be trialled from Friday.
An overseas trademark could mean that the ECB could demand payment from other international boards that want to play a version of the 100-ball format.
However, it is thought to be too early in the development of the format for the ECB to consider charging for its use.
Still, the ECB sees the application for a trademark as prudent given the investment, research and marketing that has so far gone into or will go into the new competition."

What stupidity. Other countries will keep playing 20 20 rather than pay the ECB.

Heartfeltdawn · June 2021

crunchman said:

What stupidity. Other countries will keep playing 20 20 rather than pay the ECB.

One of the things that makes a league grow is overseas television contracts. Even for something like the IPL, if it's kept to purely domestic screens then that applies a growth limit. Imagine the Premier League if it only screened to Brits in Britainshire (sic).

Where is the potential market for The Hundred overseas?

And added is another page from the rancid T100 website.

"Welcome to The Hundred Rising – a brand new programme of 100 exciting opportunities offering up-and-coming talent a platform to showcase their skills and gain valuable experience working or volunteering on this summer’s must-see sporting and entertainment event."

"Committed to providing CV-enhancing opportunities to help people get ahead despite the challenges of the last year, The Hundred Rising will offer 100 chances to get involved in bringing The Hundred to life. The Hundred Rising is launching with 32 paid positions on offer to be a Rising Host, Rising Reporter or Rising Content Creator at this summer’s competition.

More roles will be announced in the lead up to the competition across seven host cities – Birmingham, Leeds, London, Nottingham, Manchester, Southampton and Cardiff. There will be four release dates in total so keep an eye on this page to see the latest opportunities as they go live. Check out the current live roles below now!"

https://www.thehundred.com/rising

it continues on another page:

https://www.thehundred.com/news/2130645/help-produce-the-hundred

"This opportunity gives budding stage and event managers from across England and Wales the chance to volunteer as key members of the Event Presentation Team for The Hundred this summer. This volunteer role will give you first-hand experience of live event production on a major sporting event and provides an opportunity to learn valuable skills to enhance your CV."

All this money that's going into the hands of well paid male players and yet the website's still making pitches like every shithouse restaurant/venue asking bands if they'll play for free and pay their rent with exposure. Look at us, we're so inclusive yet we're also happy to get people to work for free.

pedalo · June 2021

Crikey

Heartfeltdawn · June 2021

@pedalo as you might guess, I both waffle far too much on this thread and despise the very being of The Hundred

scrumhalf · June 2021

But the 100 is aimed at people who are not yet cricket fans, so presumably they are forging ahead and making the market (people for whom T20 takes soooooooo long that it needs to be reduced.).

Good luck to them. It'll end in tears and will cost the domestic game dear.

jpfamps · June 2021

scrumhalf said:

But the 100 is aimed at people who are not yet cricket fans, so presumably they are forging ahead and making the market (people for whom T20 takes soooooooo long that it needs to be reduced.).

Good luck to them. It'll end in tears and will cost the domestic game dear.

And can't understand Twenty20, so need a simpler format.............

pedalo · June 2021

Heartfeltdawn said:

@pedalo as you might guess, I both waffle far too much on this thread and despise the very being of The Hundred

haha the crikey bit was agreeing about the working for free part - an outrageous expectation that boils my blood!!!

Heartfeltdawn · June 2021

pedalo said:

Heartfeltdawn said:

@pedalo as you might guess, I both waffle far too much on this thread and despise the very being of The Hundred

haha the crikey bit was agreeing about the working for free part - an outrageous expectation that boils my blood!!!

I tweeted the official T100 account this morning who confirmed that the production assistant jobs are all voluntary and unpaid.

With all the talk of inclusivity and the idea of keeping ticket prices low in order to snaffle 'mums and kids' as Strauss memorably put it, using unpaid labour like this is disgusting.

The original salary bands were:

In the men’s competition the seven salary bands are: £125,000, £100,000, £75,000, £60,000, £50,000, £40,000 and £30,000. The Wildcard pick will be paid £30,000. Captains will receive a bonus of £10,000. The total salary money per franchise is £1million.

In the women’s competition, salaries are close to the Women’s Big Bash and are much smaller. In fact, the highest salary band in the female version is half the lowest band in the men’s tournament.

The women’s seven salary brackets are: £15,000, £12,000, £9,000, £7,200, £6,000, £4,800 and £3,600. The captains will receive a £1,200 bonus.

Players can put a reserve price on themselves in the draft.

This was dropped by 20% for men in 2021 following last year's cancellation. Women's salaries were not cut. Players did receive 11.5% for doing nothing last year.

Now I'm not against volunteers. Loads of clubs and organisations use them. My old theatre job did but we gave all volunteers food and drink vouchers to use whenever they wanted and organised special evenings just for them. Lancashire's ad for volunteers this summer says they'll pay £5 travel expenses and free food is on offer.

https://mmusv.com/vk/volunteers/my_opportunities_info_ur.htm?pid=10010236

The Hundred on the other hand doesn't sound anything more than exploitative.

Heartfeltdawn · June 2021

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/57399018

https://i.imgur.com/uZ4l1Dc.png

"Now, though, as a venerable competition entering its 19th summer, the Blast, which begins on Wednesday, is facing a challenge like never before. The long-awaited Hundred is on the horizon, with a remit to attract new, younger and more diverse followers, with flash marketing, city-based teams and just 100 balls per innings. The Indian Premier League and Big Bash have shown, though, that there is still plenty of juice to be squeezed from the T20 format."

Stop it Auntie, you're an embarrassment.

Heartfeltdawn · June 2021

This is brilliant and I' looking forward to future episodes.

scrumhalf · June 2021

Heartfeltdawn said:

Stop it Auntie, you're an embarrassment.

Do you think the Beeb might be showing one or two games form the Hundred?

sixstringsupplies · June 2021

A stroke of luck means I’m going to day three of the Edgbaston test. Been a long time since I watched live test cricket I’m so excited. And I’ve always though day 3 or 4 are the best days to go as the test match develops.

Being part of the government experiment I have to sign a consent form and have a negative test result 24 hours beforehand.

guitars4you · June 2021

sixstringsupplies said:

A stroke of luck means I’m going to day three of the Edgbaston test. Been a long time since I watched live test cricket I’m so excited. And I’ve always though day 3 or 4 are the best days to go as the test match develops.

Being part of the government experiment I have to sign a consent form and have a negative test result 24 hours beforehand.

Looking forward to grabbing a few hours on TV, along with R5X coverage - Have not got a clue what team they will go with based on any 'rotate' policy, plus no Ollie and Bess and/or Leach or indeed neither - Almost to many options to try and guess the team the management will go with - Enjoy it and at least the weather looks good

guitars4you · June 2021

Over rate - See England had a 40% match fee fine for slow over rate - I'm sure the management know that with no effective spinner that a slow over rate would be the case before the day starts - Especially if you are not taking wickets - I know DRS has an impact on the overs bowled but that can be taken into account, ditto weather

However it is now time, for an international, response to this slow over rate - Fines are a waste of time - Can't always guarantee good weather to bowl the required overs at 6.30 or 7pm - IMO it has to be a punishment that has an impact on the pitch - So runs to be added for overs not bowled, to be called 'slow over rate extras' - Option 1 is a fixed amount say 4 runs per overs not bowled - Option 2 is probably better in that you take the battings teams scoring rate for that day and then times this by overs not bowled and add this amount as 'slow over rate extras'

Granted if both teams bat during the day - Any shortfall of overs not bowled has to be accounted for to the guilty party and both teams if required - Again you have to look at the full day, as for instance spinners will be used far less on the first 2 sessions on an opening day of the match - ie up to lunch and up to tea might not make 30 overs each session, but a final session with a spinner/or two, might claw back sometime, so this can be taken into account for 'slow over rate extras' to be added at the end of the day - Or do you punish any team for not bowling 30 overs in any one session with 'slow over rate extra's' per session

Either way, forget the fine and put runs on the board as required with 'slow over rate extra's '

Heartfeltdawn · June 2021

guitars4you said:

Over rate - See England had a 40% match fee fine for slow over rate - I'm sure the management know that with no effective spinner that a slow over rate would be the case before the day starts - Especially if you are not taking wickets - I know DRS has an impact on the overs bowled but that can be taken into account, ditto weather

However it is now time, for an international, response to this slow over rate - Fines are a waste of time - Can't always guarantee good weather to bowl the required overs at 6.30 or 7pm - IMO it has to be a punishment that has an impact on the pitch - So runs to be added for overs not bowled, to be called 'slow over rate extras' - Option 1 is a fixed amount say 4 runs per overs not bowled - Option 2 is probably better in that you take the battings teams scoring rate for that day and then times this by overs not bowled and add this amount as 'slow over rate extras'

Granted if both teams bat during the day - Any shortfall of overs not bowled has to be accounted for to the guilty party and both teams if required - Again you have to look at the full day, as for instance spinners will be used far less on the first 2 sessions on an opening day of the match - ie up to lunch and up to tea might not make 30 overs each session, but a final session with a spinner/or two, might claw back sometime, so this can be taken into account for 'slow over rate extras' to be added at the end of the day - Or do you punish any team for not bowling 30 overs in any one session with 'slow over rate extra's' per session

Either way, forget the fine and put runs on the board as required with 'slow over rate extra's '

Fines do not work. Runs being added to the opposition score has a certain contrivance to it in my opinion because there are some sides who might feel "Fuck it, I'm happy going to a slower rate and giving up 20 runs". Imagine a scenario with bad weather predicted in the fifth day. A side could slow the over rate down in order to secure a draw because of bad weather and the penalty runs really couldn't be applied because the innings wasn't completed.

I'd target DRS reviews instead.

First innings: Side A bat, side B bowl. Over rate for completed innings is under 14 overs per hour. Match referee decides this is down to bowling Side B time wasting rather than batting side A wasting time. Bowling side lose two reviews when it is their turn to bat and have one review for that innings.

Second innings: Side B bat. They start with one DRS review as a batting side. Side A bowl and the innings is completed with an over rate of 15 overs per hour. No DRS penalty applies to Side A.

Third innings: Side A bat. Over rate is 14 overs per hour. This is caused by an injury to a batsman requiring lengthy treatment. Side B are therefore not punished with any DRS reviews.

Fourth innings: Side B bat and start with three reviews.

Now innings four needs slight tweak of the rules. If a bowling side is contriving to slow down the over rate in order to stop the batting side winning (hello the West Indies in 1990 against England) and they do not meet the required rate, then you need some system of punishment that carries over to the next Test. It's at this point where penalty runs could apply. Alternatively, you could have a DRS punishment that carries over to the next Test.

Why focus on the reviews? Because it's carrot and stick time. No side would want to, say, bat in India when they've only got 1 review for their innings and the other side has a full bank of three to use.

scrumhalf · June 2021

Slow over rates are not great but if there is a dramatic battle going on between pace bowlers and batsmen do we really want the drama spoiled by the fielding side having to bring on a dibbly-dobbly merchant to maintain over rates?

Heartfeltdawn · June 2021

scrumhalf said:

Slow over rates are not great but if there is a dramatic battle going on between pace bowlers and batsmen do we really want the drama spoiled by the fielding side having to bring on a dibbly-dobbly merchant to maintain over rates?

Nope. You simply shouldn't get to that point in the first place. Our shitty over rate isn't just because we use seamers. We saw it in the winter in India with the ridiculous T20 that took five hours to complete and that ODI game where we were bowling at 11 overs an hour. We weren't using all seam attacks then and we weren't having to stop for regular DRS checks.

Heartfeltdawn · June 2021

No fucking spinner again. Can anyone point to a batsman who has been treated this shit after a winter of success? Once again, we're batting long because our batsmen are shit and so a bowler suffers. Bah.

Quite obvious that NZ are using this series as a warm up for the Test Championship. Ajaz Patel is far from a first pick but he's getting a game to see how he goes if he is needed.

Stuckfast · June 2021

You never see Dom Sibley in the same room as Tim Nice-but-Dim...

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crunchman · June 2021

Heartfeltdawn said:

guitars4you said:

Over rate - See England had a 40% match fee fine for slow over rate - I'm sure the management know that with no effective spinner that a slow over rate would be the case before the day starts - Especially if you are not taking wickets - I know DRS has an impact on the overs bowled but that can be taken into account, ditto weather

However it is now time, for an international, response to this slow over rate - Fines are a waste of time - Can't always guarantee good weather to bowl the required overs at 6.30 or 7pm - IMO it has to be a punishment that has an impact on the pitch - So runs to be added for overs not bowled, to be called 'slow over rate extras' - Option 1 is a fixed amount say 4 runs per overs not bowled - Option 2 is probably better in that you take the battings teams scoring rate for that day and then times this by overs not bowled and add this amount as 'slow over rate extras'

Granted if both teams bat during the day - Any shortfall of overs not bowled has to be accounted for to the guilty party and both teams if required - Again you have to look at the full day, as for instance spinners will be used far less on the first 2 sessions on an opening day of the match - ie up to lunch and up to tea might not make 30 overs each session, but a final session with a spinner/or two, might claw back sometime, so this can be taken into account for 'slow over rate extras' to be added at the end of the day - Or do you punish any team for not bowling 30 overs in any one session with 'slow over rate extra's' per session

Either way, forget the fine and put runs on the board as required with 'slow over rate extra's '

Fines do not work. Runs being added to the opposition score has a certain contrivance to it in my opinion because there are some sides who might feel "Fuck it, I'm happy going to a slower rate and giving up 20 runs". Imagine a scenario with bad weather predicted in the fifth day. A side could slow the over rate down in order to secure a draw because of bad weather and the penalty runs really couldn't be applied because the innings wasn't completed.

I'd target DRS reviews instead.

First innings: Side A bat, side B bowl. Over rate for completed innings is under 14 overs per hour. Match referee decides this is down to bowling Side B time wasting rather than batting side A wasting time. Bowling side lose two reviews when it is their turn to bat and have one review for that innings.

Second innings: Side B bat. They start with one DRS review as a batting side. Side A bowl and the innings is completed with an over rate of 15 overs per hour. No DRS penalty applies to Side A.

Third innings: Side A bat. Over rate is 14 overs per hour. This is caused by an injury to a batsman requiring lengthy treatment. Side B are therefore not punished with any DRS reviews.

Fourth innings: Side B bat and start with three reviews.

Now innings four needs slight tweak of the rules. If a bowling side is contriving to slow down the over rate in order to stop the batting side winning (hello the West Indies in 1990 against England) and they do not meet the required rate, then you need some system of punishment that carries over to the next Test. It's at this point where penalty runs could apply. Alternatively, you could have a DRS punishment that carries over to the next Test.

Why focus on the reviews? Because it's carrot and stick time. No side would want to, say, bat in India when they've only got 1 review for their innings and the other side has a full bank of three to use.

Jeremy Coney suggested removing a fielder from the fielding side until they had caught up with the over rate the other day. If you got too far behind, remove a second fielder.

Teetonetal · June 2021

crunchman said:

Heartfeltdawn said:

guitars4you said:

Over rate - See England had a 40% match fee fine for slow over rate - I'm sure the management know that with no effective spinner that a slow over rate would be the case before the day starts - Especially if you are not taking wickets - I know DRS has an impact on the overs bowled but that can be taken into account, ditto weather

However it is now time, for an international, response to this slow over rate - Fines are a waste of time - Can't always guarantee good weather to bowl the required overs at 6.30 or 7pm - IMO it has to be a punishment that has an impact on the pitch - So runs to be added for overs not bowled, to be called 'slow over rate extras' - Option 1 is a fixed amount say 4 runs per overs not bowled - Option 2 is probably better in that you take the battings teams scoring rate for that day and then times this by overs not bowled and add this amount as 'slow over rate extras'

Granted if both teams bat during the day - Any shortfall of overs not bowled has to be accounted for to the guilty party and both teams if required - Again you have to look at the full day, as for instance spinners will be used far less on the first 2 sessions on an opening day of the match - ie up to lunch and up to tea might not make 30 overs each session, but a final session with a spinner/or two, might claw back sometime, so this can be taken into account for 'slow over rate extras' to be added at the end of the day - Or do you punish any team for not bowling 30 overs in any one session with 'slow over rate extra's' per session

Either way, forget the fine and put runs on the board as required with 'slow over rate extra's '

Fines do not work. Runs being added to the opposition score has a certain contrivance to it in my opinion because there are some sides who might feel "Fuck it, I'm happy going to a slower rate and giving up 20 runs". Imagine a scenario with bad weather predicted in the fifth day. A side could slow the over rate down in order to secure a draw because of bad weather and the penalty runs really couldn't be applied because the innings wasn't completed.

I'd target DRS reviews instead.

First innings: Side A bat, side B bowl. Over rate for completed innings is under 14 overs per hour. Match referee decides this is down to bowling Side B time wasting rather than batting side A wasting time. Bowling side lose two reviews when it is their turn to bat and have one review for that innings.

Second innings: Side B bat. They start with one DRS review as a batting side. Side A bowl and the innings is completed with an over rate of 15 overs per hour. No DRS penalty applies to Side A.

Third innings: Side A bat. Over rate is 14 overs per hour. This is caused by an injury to a batsman requiring lengthy treatment. Side B are therefore not punished with any DRS reviews.

Fourth innings: Side B bat and start with three reviews.

Now innings four needs slight tweak of the rules. If a bowling side is contriving to slow down the over rate in order to stop the batting side winning (hello the West Indies in 1990 against England) and they do not meet the required rate, then you need some system of punishment that carries over to the next Test. It's at this point where penalty runs could apply. Alternatively, you could have a DRS punishment that carries over to the next Test.

Why focus on the reviews? Because it's carrot and stick time. No side would want to, say, bat in India when they've only got 1 review for their innings and the other side has a full bank of three to use.

Jeremy Coney suggested removing a fielder from the fielding side until they had caught up with the over rate the other day. If you got too far behind, remove a second fielder.

A much better idea.

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In the men’s competition the seven salary bands are: £125,000, £100,000, £75,000, £60,000, £50,000, £40,000 and £30,000. The Wildcard pick will be paid £30,000. Captains will receive a bonus of £10,000. The total salary money per franchise is £1million.