Pedal Pawn ……….

pt22 · September 2023

Wazmeister said:

Too easy to judge, too often we pitchfork, so many times we take an opposing keyboard stance…

We’re better than this as a forum, imho.

The OP posted literally all the relevant context here. In what way would any of the very reasoned replies here be classified as “too easy to judge”?

This place seems pretty well behaved as compared to other forums, and this is a good example I’d argue, not a poor one.

tone1 · September 2023

I’m confused (as is quite normal for me)….who’s Karen?…..

RocknRollDave · September 2023

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)#:~:text=Karen%20is%20a%20pejorative%20term,to%20demand%20their%20own%20way%22.

RaymondLin · September 2023

pt22 said:

Wazmeister said:

Too easy to judge, too often we pitchfork, so many times we take an opposing keyboard stance…

We’re better than this as a forum, imho.

The OP posted literally all the relevant context here. In what way would any of the very reasoned replies here be classified as “too easy to judge”?

This place seems pretty well behaved as compared to other forums, and this is a good example I’d argue, not a poor one.

Yup. They say there are 2 sides to every story….the OP has told his side of his story alone is a terrible look for him.

So I’m not sure how the other side of the story would help the OP…if there are more to it at all.

tone1 · September 2023

RocknRollDave said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)#:~:text=Karen%20is%20a%20pejorative%20term,to%20demand%20their%20own%20way%22.

Ta muchly,
interesting read….seems like I’ve been living under a rock…..Every day’s a school day

robinbowes · September 2023

Wazmeister said:

Too easy to judge, too often we pitchfork, so many times we take an opposing keyboard stance…

We’re better than this as a forum, imho.

It seems @Th4fonz isn't.

Majorscale · September 2023

I’m afraid @Th4fonz you have shot yourself in the foot on this one. Your behaviour was frankly way out of line, I’m staggered you posted your communications with Chris. Send the pedal back for a refund as offered and please reread your communications in the hope you start to understand how misguided you’ve been.

As an aside, Chris at PedalPawn is a great guy. When I had an issue with a pedal he went above and beyond to rectify the issue and was always super responsive and pleasant to deal with.

Musicman20 · September 2023

I’m not taking any sides but it was advertised a little….ahem….incorrectly. This upset the OP. Perhaps he overreacted.

Regardless of this transaction, Pedalpawn being advertised everywhere, constant ‘tubescreamer’ ‘SRV’ thing got old very quickly with me. It’s become too influencer-based.

stickyfiddle · September 2023

Musicman20 said:

I’m not taking any sides but it was advertised a little….ahem….incorrectly. This upset the OP. Perhaps he overreacted.

Regardless of this transaction, Pedalpawn being advertised everywhere, constant ‘tubescreamer’ ‘SRV’ thing got old very quickly with me. It’s become too influencer-based.

I don't think it was. The ad mentions " slight wear & tear markings to the exterior the the south side." and you can see the marks in the photo.

Seller's done nothing wrong at all imo, and still offered a refund straight off the bat. Sorry OP

mrkb · September 2023

With the OPs lack of engagement with this thread I’m wondering if we’ve fallen for a Pedal Pawn guerrilla marketing campaign to get us all aware of and promoting their brand

impmann · September 2023

I think this is a bit rule 1…

Dirty laundry isn’t a good thing to hang on your line. If you aren’t happy with the condition of a secondhand item and you are offered a full refund… and you don’t accept. One has to wonder what those reasons are.

I don’t think the vendor is at fault - mistakes happen and he’s offered to put it right.

TrentGuitars · September 2023

As a maker I've been fortunate to only have the "I'll ruin your reputation" threat once and that was over a guitar taking longer than expected. I had the trading standards/trustpilot/google review bomb hanging over me and it's a really unsettling feeling given that this business is just me and it's how I pay my mortgage. I dropped everything to please them and thankfully it worked out in the end and they love the guitar they ended up with.

Threatening to ruin someone's livelihood is not something you should be proud of doing, all over something you've been offered a resolution on from day 1? The trading standards and reputation smearing should be reserved for life changing cowboy builder incidents, not stuff like this.

EDIT: Funnily enough I just looked back and the first thing I also did was offer them the option of a refund.

OilCityPickups · September 2023

The seller in this case did the right thing ... he offered an immediate refund. That really should have been case closed.

drofluf · September 2023

I’d not heard of Pedal Pawn before but based on this thread I’d be happy to deal with them.

roberty · September 2023

OilCityPickups · September 2023

roberty said:

I must be being dense .... pine cone???? Are you suggesting 'dire cone-sequences?

GoFish · September 2023

It's not a breach of the distance selling cone-tract. Ah - ha!

TBF the Fonz did post the whole conversation and didn't only try and put across his side of events. That calls for credit imo. I think he's wrong on this one for reasons stated above, but he has tried to be somewhat neutral in presenting the case.

Nerine · September 2023

What a fascinating read lol

OilCityPickups · September 2023

GoFish said:

It's not a breach of the distance selling cone-tract. Ah - ha!

TBF the Fonz did post the whole conversation and didn't only try and put across his side of events. That calls for credit imo. I think he's wrong on this one for reasons stated above, but he has tried to be somewhat neutral in presenting the case.

Meh ...no cone-test or cone-spiracy --- I think we all cone-ected the dots :-)

m_c · September 2023

drofluf said:

I’d not heard of Pedal Pawn before but based on this thread I’d be happy to deal with them.

Funnily enough I had a look through their stock earlier, but they don't have anything that really interests me.

Chris has certainly done well in his responses, so I wouldn't hesitate to buy from him.

BeardyAndy · September 2023

Sounds like you were spoiling for a fight, I can't see what he could've done differently?

Helpful post though because I know to avoid you in the classifieds!

OilCityPickups · September 2023

Probably at a point where the mods mile like to close this thread ... I don't think there's much more constructive that can be said without unnecessarily putting the OP in the stocks. I'd say nothing left to see here guys move on :-)

digitalscream · September 2023

OilCityPickups said:

Probably at a point where the mods mile like to close this thread ... I don't think there's much more constructive that can be said without unnecessarily putting the OP in the stocks. I'd say nothing left to see here guys move on :-)

I'm inclined to leave it open until this evening, to at least give the OP an opportunity to respond.

Vintage-T · September 2023

Describing it as 'pretty much mint condition' is a bit of a stretch, and defo cause for an email to them, but once they've offered a refund, I think it's case closed. Seller has done everything they're obligated to do, OP comes across as a bully looking for a quite ludicrous discount on an already good value pedal.

CHRISB50 · September 2023

Nerine said:

What a fascinating read lol

Agreed.

My life definitely feels less complicated.

OilCityPickups · September 2023

digitalscream said:

OilCityPickups said:

Probably at a point where the mods mile like to close this thread ... I don't think there's much more constructive that can be said without unnecessarily putting the OP in the stocks. I'd say nothing left to see here guys move on :-)

I'm inclined to leave it open until this evening, to at least give the OP an opportunity to respond.

I cone-cede to your wisdom :-)

flying_pie · September 2023

OilCityPickups said:

digitalscream said:

OilCityPickups said:

Probably at a point where the mods mile like to close this thread ... I don't think there's much more constructive that can be said without unnecessarily putting the OP in the stocks. I'd say nothing left to see here guys move on :-)

I'm inclined to leave it open until this evening, to at least give the OP an opportunity to respond.

I cone-cede to your wisdom :-)

fir what it's worth I agree with you

OilCityPickups · September 2023

flying_pie said:

OilCityPickups said:

digitalscream said:

OilCityPickups said:

Probably at a point where the mods mile like to close this thread ... I don't think there's much more constructive that can be said without unnecessarily putting the OP in the stocks. I'd say nothing left to see here guys move on :-)

I'm inclined to leave it open until this evening, to at least give the OP an opportunity to respond.

I cone-cede to your wisdom :-)

fir what it's worth I agree with you

Indeed not wise to needle the mods :-)

TheBigDipper · September 2023

I'm going to swerve regarding commenting on the coms between buyer and seller - there's been plenty of that.

Looking at the original pics from Reverb, though, I would say that a) you can see there are some marks on the case, and the seller has mentioned that in the blurb, but IMHO, b) They are a bit more than "pick marks" from careful use. They're the sort of scratches that you get when another pedal with sharper metal edges comes loose and scratches the one closest.

It does seem to me that the seller has been overpositive in saying "Used - excellent". They're not surface or finish scratches you can remove with T-Cut, they're deeper than that. "Used - very good" would have covered it, though.

RaymondLin · September 2023

TheBigDipper said:

I'm going to swerve regarding commenting on the coms between buyer and seller - there's been plenty of that.

Looking at the original pics from Reverb, though, I would say that a) you can see there are some marks on the case, and the seller has mentioned that in the blurb, but IMHO, b) They are a bit more than "pick marks" from careful use. They're the sort of scratches that you get when another pedal with sharper metal edges comes loose and scratches the one closest.

It does seem to me that the seller has been overpositive in saying "Used - excellent". They're not surface or finish scratches you can remove with T-Cut, they're deeper than that. "Used - very good" would have covered it, though.

I think, as a whole, in the West, people always lean on the side of over selling the condition of their items. Whether it is a store or private. I see it everywhere, cars, guitars, cameras, houses, everything.

In Japan however, it is the complete opposite. I have bought used items that is listed as "damaged", but the only damage was the box, in the corner, where the there is some frailing on the cardboard. The whole thing is even unopened and unused but it is sold as. "pre-owned - damaged, Condition B".

One needs to be aware that people in the UK oversell, you have to lower your expectations a few notches and don't get me started on people listing items are "Mint" and then follows straight on with "but...." They are a massive contradiction and people are too stupid to even realise what they are doing as it is the norm when selling things here.

I tend to go with the Japanese way, set your expectations LOW, so when the buyer gets it, they cannot be disappointed, but i seldom sell anything anyway.

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