Ahsoka.

digitalscream · August 2023

sev112 said:

So when is this set - between Episode II and III?

i don’t understand how she was Anakin’s Palawan? Anakin was never allowed to be a master Jedi before he went off on his strop, so he was still a padawan of ObiWan?
Me so confused.

Jedi Knights could take padawans - the route to Master was when their first padawan completed their training. Ahsoka left the order before completing her training because...well, they were assholes...so he never became a Master.

As I recall, they even offered for her to become a Jedi Knight to try to get her back, but she refused. Ergo, she was partially responsible for his fall.

EDIT: Of course, he didn't back her when the Council accused her of a bunch of crimes, so he's responsible for her being responsible etc.

Rabs · August 2023

Just watched them. Really glad they did two at once, if Id had to have waited till next week after the first one it would have been disappointing.

I also just couldnt quite get in to the animated stuff ive seen bits and bobs of it.. So im not that up on her story. But it seemed ok.. A bit early to say anything either way yet but it certainly has potential. In saying that its only going to be eight episodes again which I just find isnt long enough to get a really good story arc in.

littlegreenman · August 2023

Flanging_Fred said:

I like the cat.

Me too ♥

Have to say I enjoyed those first 2. It's no Andor by any stretch, but so far it's been enjoyable and certainly seems to have potential. Plus, it's STAR WARS FFS, so of course it's ossum

RaymondLin · August 2023

I found it pretty enjoyable, I like lightsaber fights, bored of Skywalker stuff, so it is nice to see it keeping the best stuff without the baggage.

TimmyO · August 2023

Switch625 said:

T'was great. As a fan of Rebels I think they've done a fantastic job of bringing the characters and locations in to live action. Was sad knowing that Ray Stevenson isn't going to be around to make any more... his presence was great. It's been a few years since I've seen Clone Wars and Rebels but it definitely helped in being more familiar with the storyline. I did have to watch a bit of a recap video afterwards though just to remind myself of certain things. Might be useful for others that haven't seen Rebels or need a refresher:

I watched this - it's pacey (!) But helpful. Clearly some fantastic stories that I'd have enjoyed watching but simply don't have the time to catch up.on it all properly

Greatape · August 2023

tekbow said:

digitalscream said:

Just watched both episodes. My main concern is actually Rosario Dawson's physicality - during fight scenes, she looks like she's trying to keep up rather than being one of the best fighters around (as opposed to, say, Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen when they properly went at it).

Ahsoka's supposed to be almost Kenobi's level, able to fight Maul to a standstill and even survive against Vader. That just didn't come across in the fight scenes at all.

Well... she's hardly been challenged yet.

But I know what you mean. She didn't flow as such? Like a touch stiff? But I didn't see it as "trying to keep up", I took it as "not needing to give it her full effort".

That being said, we know there's Samurai inspiration in Jedi, and Ahsoka (the show) is displaying it more overtly than the Kurosawa via Western that Mando used.

The Drums of the theme tune were more directly japanese in style and Ahsokas fighting technique seems more directly Samurai (via Japanese cinema). They often look quite stiff and poised.

Her strikes are economical, precise and strong as compared to the Wushu style from the prequels or the European style of the Originals.

My favourite of all the recent depictions was what Luke was doing in Mando season 2. That did seem like something unique although doubtless borrowed from many styles.

I should add, we know she's capable of the flowy stuff from her stint on Mandalorian.

Haven't watched yet but yeah, absolutely - a huge amount of the swordfights in Star Wars (or indeed, in 99% of screen appearances in any action movie) bear little resemblance to actual practical swordplay, because they want it to look fancy. (Would you ever attempt to kick a capable swordsman? Not if you want to keep your foot.) And you are absolutely right about the influence of Wushu. I've often wondered if this is a reflection of a wider cultural aesthetic. Classical architecture in Japan and China is another interesting area of comparison. One is way more austere than the other.

Particularly about 3:40 in.

AntonHunter · August 2023

Rabs said:

Just watched them. Really glad they did two at once, if Id had to have waited till next week after the first one it would have been disappointing.

Agreed.

Throughly enjoyed ep2, I let out a whoop when I saw Chopper.

I've surprised myself this year by how into Bad Batch and Rebels I got. I only started watching as "homework" for Ahsoka, but definitely got hooked. Hope the rest of the season lives up to Rebels...

AntonHunter · August 2023

Enjoyed episode 3! Seems like it's building nicely.

TimmyO · September 2023

OK, I watched Eps 1 and 2

(caveat, I'm an Ahsoka character/stories neophyte other than having watched a youtube roundup for a bit of background)

Umm - anyone else think this all looks very 'budget' compared to the other Disney series ?

It definitely all seemed a bit thin and simplistic too - but I guess I'm missing out on the impact of all the fondly-remembered-characters stuff....

TimmyO · September 2023

The General in particular seems to have the charisma of a mid-tier 2000s PC game cutscene character

stickyfiddle · September 2023

I watched the first 3 yesterday. It's absolutely fine so far. I'm obviously missing some of the backstory but it's clipping along and things are happening at a reasonable pace.

It does look a bit cheap in places - both the wide CGI stuff and the closeups that rely on The Volume a little bit too much in a way that you can't unsee once you notice it.

But it's enjoyable enough - never going to measure up to Andor so very little point in that comparison.

WezV · September 2023

I'm enjoying it.

Not sure what Filoni is doing with some character/force/jedi changes but I trust he has a plan.

I think it will build into something very good. It certainly seems like its going to expand the star wars galaxy.

gavin_axecaster · September 2023

I'm enjoying it for the most part.

My main gripe is the portrayal of Ahsoka doesn't match what I've seen in Clone Wars and Rebels (although I haven't watched all of Clone Wars). She seems to be a completely different character, just standing around with crossed arms. No personality.

guitargeek62 · September 2023

WezV said:

I'm enjoying it.

Not sure what Filoni is doing with some character/force/jedi changes but I trust he has a plan.

I think it will build into something very good. It certainly seems like its going to expand the star wars galaxy.

I agree with most of the gripes so far but I'm still enjoying it on the whole. That said...

Sabine does not and should not be able to 'become' force sensitive - that just feels stupid.

Even Legends-era didn't have that (I think?!!!), the closest it got would have been Kyle Katarn and Ulic Qel-Droma both being cutoff from the force by external factors, with Kyle at least being able to regain his through a deus ex machina. Both of those were already Jedi/force users though by that point, so it's a very different scenario.

digitalscream · September 2023

@guitargeek62 - yes, exactly. The only thing I'm really annoyed with so far is that this is a total lore-breaking story point.

VimFuego · September 2023

I like it. I guess I'm enjoying that it's not another western set in space, it has more of a far eastern mystical vibe about it, which does set it apart a bit from some of the other offerings.
I have absolutely no lore knowledge at all, so that doesn't bother me, though I do wonder what Ahsoka was doing during the whole rebellion thing (and I'm sure someone will come along and tell me), perhaps she didn't notice it going on or something...

digitalscream · September 2023

VimFuego said:

I have absolutely no lore knowledge at all, so that doesn't bother me, though I do wonder what Ahsoka was doing during the whole rebellion thing (and I'm sure someone will come along and tell me), perhaps she didn't notice it going on or something...

That's what "Rebels" was about

VimFuego · September 2023

digitalscream said:

VimFuego said:

I have absolutely no lore knowledge at all, so that doesn't bother me, though I do wonder what Ahsoka was doing during the whole rebellion thing (and I'm sure someone will come along and tell me), perhaps she didn't notice it going on or something...

That's what "Rebels" was about

yeah, it's on the list to watch.

WezV · September 2023

digitalscream said:

@guitargeek62 - yes, exactly. The only thing I'm really annoyed with so far is that this is a total lore-breaking story point.

It's back to George Lucas' original idea of the force. I am interested to see where it is taken, but it could easily be taken too far.

Ahsoka is no Jedi...... is this a different kind of student? The show doesn't seem to suggest that yet, but I'm sure Filoni has a plan.

She was noticed by Bendu in Rebels. A vague hint of potential perhaps.

Anyway... what happened to Ahsoka's staff from the final scene of Rebels. It would have been easy to add some story to explain it, but they just got rid of it instead.

AntonHunter · September 2023

digitalscream said:

@guitargeek62 - yes, exactly. The only thing I'm really annoyed with so far is that this is a total lore-breaking story point.

I know what you mean, and let's see how it progresses, but surely it's plausible to have levels of ability, and if you've not acted on that when young and, in effect, repressed that, might some latent ability still persist? There's a whole gaping backstory hole where Ahsoka takes her on as a padawan in the first place, so in theory there must have been something there?

But yeah, let's see where it goes. I definitely prefer blowing-shit-up Sabine to weak-force-yielder Sabine so far though.

digitalscream · September 2023

WezV said:

Ahsoka is no Jedi...... is this a different kind of student? The show doesn't seem to suggest that yet, but I'm sure Filoni has a plan.

Well, given that it was all him, I've got to believe that he had a plan for where her story would go.

I guess the point is that the Jedi aren't the only light-side Force users, same as the Sith aren't the only dark-side users (eg the Witches of Dathomir and the Nightsisters, respectively).

Of course, I'm making the huge assumption that there's a point and depth to all this. There may well not be, given how shallow most of Disney's output has been in the last few years (not just Star Wars, but the MCU and Indiana Jones too).

AntonHunter · September 2023

WezV said:

She was noticed by Bendu in Rebels. A vague hint of potential perhaps.

I had forgotten this, good point.

guitargeek62 · September 2023

AntonHunter said:

digitalscream said:

@guitargeek62 - yes, exactly. The only thing I'm really annoyed with so far is that this is a total lore-breaking story point.

I know what you mean, and let's see how it progresses, but surely it's plausible to have levels of ability, and if you've not acted on that when young and, in effect, repressed that, might some latent ability still persist? There's a whole gaping backstory hole where Ahsoka takes her on as a padawan in the first place, so in theory there must have been something there?

But yeah, let's see where it goes. I definitely prefer blowing-shit-up Sabine to weak-force-yielder Sabine so far though.

Erm.. Rebels

AntonHunter · September 2023

guitargeek62 said:

AntonHunter said:

digitalscream said:

@guitargeek62 - yes, exactly. The only thing I'm really annoyed with so far is that this is a total lore-breaking story point.

I know what you mean, and let's see how it progresses, but surely it's plausible to have levels of ability, and if you've not acted on that when young and, in effect, repressed that, might some latent ability still persist? There's a whole gaping backstory hole where Ahsoka takes her on as a padawan in the first place, so in theory there must have been something there?

But yeah, let's see where it goes. I definitely prefer blowing-shit-up Sabine to weak-force-yielder Sabine so far though.

Erm.. Rebels

You mean the final scene? Or did I miss something earlier?

hollywoodrox · September 2023

I’ve seen it advertised on YouTube waiting for a video & I didn’t realise it was animated til I read this

digitalscream · September 2023

hollywoodrox said:

I’ve seen it advertised on YouTube waiting for a video & I didn’t realise it was animated til I read this

The "Ahsoka" series is live-action. "The Clone Wars" and "Rebels" are animated, and that's where the character comes from.

Rabs · September 2023

Honestly I was a bit disappointed with Ep3. Seemed like a short filler episode..

I will (obviously) keep watching. Im sure its building to something but the pacing is a bit up and down.. With this and a lot of these mini series they seem to be ideas that should have been films and they have just decided to stretch them out just to make it in to a TV show. You get all these long boring bits which seem unnecessarily and sometimes painfully slow just to take up some time. Like that bit in the first episode when she has to solve that stone puzzle.. They really dragged that out.

hollywoodrox · September 2023

digitalscream said:

hollywoodrox said:

I’ve seen it advertised on YouTube waiting for a video & I didn’t realise it was animated til I read this

The "Ahsoka" series is live-action. "The Clone Wars" and "Rebels" are animated, and that's where the character comes from.

Ahh I see ,

TimmyO · September 2023

Is the cat-thing a well-loved character from the cartoons? It gets a lot of lingering shots

AntonHunter · September 2023

TimmyO said:

Is the cat-thing a well-loved character from the cartoons? It gets a lot of lingering shots

Yeah, kinda. It's a Loth-Cat, used as a symbol of Lothal. But mostly I think they did a good job of the CGI and want to sell some merch probably ;-)

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