John Cruz Custom Guitars

RobG3294 · October 2023

jeromegreenday said:

I know someone who went to vegas, Bought a lot of drugs and women didn't pay for them then he came back to england, the dealers were on a plane across the atlantic banging on his mum and dads door, if they didn't re-mortgagethe house they'd kill him. They re-mortgaged the house, I know someone else who did something similar and he killed himself.
He best go into hiding because people do things to get that kind of money back.

So what you're basically saying is that John is 'Cruz'-ing for a bruising?

Philly_Q · October 2023

What has all this Vegas gangster bollocks got to do with John Cruz, or have I missed something very obvious to the rest of you?

CHRISB50 · October 2023

Philly_Q said:

What has all this Vegas gangster bollocks got to do with John Cruz, or have I missed something very obvious to the rest of you?

I think he’s suggesting John Cruz better be careful. In case ze Germans book a flight to visit John personally, and go medieval on him.

Philly_Q · October 2023

CHRISB50 said:

Philly_Q said:

What has all this Vegas gangster bollocks got to do with John Cruz, or have I missed something very obvious to the rest of you?

I think he’s suggesting John Cruz better be careful. In case ze Germans book a flight to go and visit John personally, and go medieval on him.

Thanks, it's good to know that the Vegas story is as irrelevant as it seemed. Unless Proguitar.de really are tooling up as we speak.

CHRISB50 · October 2023

Philly_Q said:

CHRISB50 said:

Philly_Q said:

What has all this Vegas gangster bollocks got to do with John Cruz, or have I missed something very obvious to the rest of you?

I think he’s suggesting John Cruz better be careful. In case ze Germans book a flight to go and visit John personally, and go medieval on him.

Thanks, it's good to know that the Vegas story is as irrelevant as it seemed. Unless Proguitar.de really are tooling up as we speak.

Indeed.

As an aside, I’m not surprised they went bust with that headstock.

It is absolutely awful!

Philly_Q · October 2023

I've been trying to remember the name of the other Fender Custom Shop guy who went out on his own, and it just popped into my head... John Page. He has/had a very different business model, with production outsourced to Japan (I think, although they may have switched to the USA now) and much more reasonably priced guitars.

Whitecat · October 2023

Philly_Q said:

I've been trying to remember the name of the other Fender Custom Shop guy who went out on his own, and it just popped into my head... John Page. He has/had a very different business model, with production outsourced to Japan (I think, although they may have switched to the USA now) and much more reasonably priced guitars.

Yep, different style operation entirely - he has almost no involvement in the day to day ops of the mass-prodiced stuff (now indeed USA, formerly Japan). He still runs a custom shop in Oregon though where he hand-builds stuff one at a time though to order.

jeztone2 · October 2023

Philly_Q said:

What has all this Vegas gangster bollocks got to do with John Cruz, or have I missed something very obvious to the rest of you?

Didn’t Peter “Max” Baranet, he of the Max Les Paul do a disappearing act in 2011? I’m sure I read something around the time on a forum saying he had some unpleasant financial types looking for him.

guitars4you · October 2023

Philly_Q said:

I've been trying to remember the name of the other Fender Custom Shop guy who went out on his own, and it just popped into my head... John Page. He has/had a very different business model, with production outsourced to Japan (I think, although they may have switched to the USA now) and much more reasonably priced guitars.

You are going to have to help me now as well - Who was the guy who built the guitar(s) for Robben Ford - Espirit style - Had his own company and I think for a while was part of the Premier Builders Guild

crunchman · October 2023

guitars4you said:

Philly_Q said:

I've been trying to remember the name of the other Fender Custom Shop guy who went out on his own, and it just popped into my head... John Page. He has/had a very different business model, with production outsourced to Japan (I think, although they may have switched to the USA now) and much more reasonably priced guitars.

You are going to have to help me now as well - Who was the guy who built the guitar(s) for Robben Ford - Espirit style - Had his own company and I think for a while was part of the Premier Builders Guild

Gene Baker?

Rob1742 · October 2023

Why a retailer would make advance payments to a new company of several hundred thousand euros is beyond me.
A new company whose owner was tarnished from the off.
With regards to risk, I just am astounded as to the decision making by the retailer here. It is insane to say the least.

Those figures suggest they would be funding the start up to a degree, yet the new companies experience and knowledge I think only went as far as guitar making in previous employment and not running a business.

Philly_Q · October 2023

crunchman said:

guitars4you said:

Philly_Q said:

I've been trying to remember the name of the other Fender Custom Shop guy who went out on his own, and it just popped into my head... John Page. He has/had a very different business model, with production outsourced to Japan (I think, although they may have switched to the USA now) and much more reasonably priced guitars.

You are going to have to help me now as well - Who was the guy who built the guitar(s) for Robben Ford - Espirit style - Had his own company and I think for a while was part of the Premier Builders Guild

Gene Baker?

Yep. Ronnie Montrose (RIP) was also using Baker guitars in his latter years. Both Baker/B3 and John Page guitars have been available at Coda occasionally.

GoFish · October 2023

Was John Page the guy that worked there when the Custom Shop was first launched? I do like the look of his branded guitars.

Philly_Q · October 2023

GoFish said:

Was John Page the guy that worked there when the Custom Shop was first launched? I do like the look of his branded guitars.

https://johnpageguitars.com/pages/about
https://www.johnpageclassic.com/

(I'm not trying to sell you one

)

guitars4you · October 2023

crunchman said:

guitars4you said:

Philly_Q said:

I've been trying to remember the name of the other Fender Custom Shop guy who went out on his own, and it just popped into my head... John Page. He has/had a very different business model, with production outsourced to Japan (I think, although they may have switched to the USA now) and much more reasonably priced guitars.

You are going to have to help me now as well - Who was the guy who built the guitar(s) for Robben Ford - Espirit style - Had his own company and I think for a while was part of the Premier Builders Guild

Gene Baker?

ta - related to Ma Baker ?

Philly_Q · October 2023

She taught her four sons to handle their guns. She never could cry, but she knew how to die.

GoFish · October 2023

Thanks @Philly_Q ; - "Co-Founder" no less!

DrBob · October 2023

GoFish said:

Was John Page the guy that worked there when the Custom Shop was first launched? I do like the look of his branded guitars.

I’m sure there was another guy, a tall skinny dude with a beard, builds a downsized 335 type guitar

Strat54 · October 2023

DrBob said:

GoFish said:

Was John Page the guy that worked there when the Custom Shop was first launched? I do like the look of his branded guitars.

I’m sure there was another guy, a tall skinny dude with a beard, builds a downsized 335 type guitar

Michael Stevens....the other founder of the Custom Shop.

GuyR · October 2023

I’m still waiting for a Mexican version of Cruzs guitars.

GoldenEraGuitars · October 2023

GuyR said:

I’m still waiting for a Mexican version of Cruzs guitars.

So are Proguitar.de

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