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John Cruz Custom Guitars

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Strat54Strat54 Frets: 2170
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The ex FCS masterbuilder's new guitars are hitting the shops and they are $8k! Ouch! His pics on FB show that much like his Masterbuilt Fenders he doesn't do the bulk of the building himself. Dreadful headstock. I think GG are going to stock them over here. 
https://johncruzcustomguitars.com/

The first run are already sold out:

https://www.casinoguitars.com/shop/c/p/SOLD-John-Cruz-Custom-Premier-Fifty-Crossville-T---Onyx-Black-and-Yellow-Stripe-x62068034.htm





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  • SassafrasSassafras Frets: 30023
    He uses a secret technique for bolting a neck to a body that no-one has been able to replicate.
    The guy's a genius with a screwdriver.
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  • OffsetOffset Frets: 9212
    £8k?!  No thanks.  And that headstock is a total munter.
    Currently for sale: https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/247085/pro-ject-essential-ii-turntable
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  • SlopeSoarerSlopeSoarer Frets: 598
    edited March 2022
    £8k, madness...  though personally I quite like the headstock! Reminds me of a bird (feathered variety).
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  • CaseOfAceCaseOfAce Frets: 1067
    That headstock is hideous.

    Almost as bad as this one...
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  • guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 12794
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    That headstock has some Fano vibe about it
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  • Philly_QPhilly_Q Frets: 20197
    It might have been interesting if he'd come up with something - other than the headstock - to differentiate his guitars from what he used to build at Fender.
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  • merlinmerlin Frets: 6199
    edited March 2022
    John Cruz
    Celia Cruz
    Tom Cruise
    Cruise Ship
    Good Ship Venus
    Sucking a red hot penis?
    Frigging in the rigging?

    Wasn't he that dodgy guy who didn't like BLM? 

    Isn't he just a very expensive tool kit?

    feedback here
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  • joeyowenjoeyowen Frets: 4008
    Tbh, they are 8k and selling out straight away, if people are happy to buy, then win win.  They are likely amazing guitars to be fair.  He's verrrrry good at making great guitars.

    I don't mind the headstock, but I don't have 8k
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  • DeijavooDeijavoo Frets: 3275
    I was so hoping it was going to be truly truly awful. 

    Looks alright but wouldn't personally spend £800 on its never mind £8k.
    Trading History: http://thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/57898/deijavoo/p1

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  • floeighty2floeighty2 Frets: 128
    The headstock looks like a penguin. I can’t unsee it. 
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  • wesker123wesker123 Frets: 477
    ^^^ oh god, it is  :#
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 24852
    At least the Tyler headstock is interesting, and has been there from the earliest days of boutique builders. 

    I don’t get these at all. Just an uglier Fenderor extra money
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  • OffsetOffset Frets: 9212
    The headstock actually looks a bit like the Friedman headstock.  Which I also find fugly.
    Currently for sale: https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/247085/pro-ject-essential-ii-turntable
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  • stonevibestonevibe Frets: 6677
    Minging, and seriously overpriced American tat
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  • SlopeSoarerSlopeSoarer Frets: 598
    It's interesting everyone talking about the look of the headstock, how shallow are we!

    The price is something else:-)
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  • Dan_HalenDan_Halen Frets: 1555
    It's the Ibanez headsock (also awful) with the knobbly bit flipped over.



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  • ZoolooterZoolooter Frets: 861
    edited March 2022
    Headstock and the metal plaque are all sorts of wrong.
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  • grappagreengrappagreen Frets: 1252
    It's an 8k, 'designed for mass production' style guitar bolted together by a bloke with a reputation. It's been worked to look 'old' but is brand new and has no legacy.

    It's just wrong on every level... 

    Arrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

    Perhaps it's just me.

    Si
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  • bertiebertie Frets: 12145
    how many ways can you bolt a strat/tele neck to a body ?    the original way seems to have worked pretty well for over 60 years 

    they're strats and teles,   even £5k is way too much
    just because you don't, doesn't mean you can't
     just because you do, doesn't mean you should.
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  • freakboy1610freakboy1610 Frets: 1178
    Shit! Now I can't decide whether to get one of these or the Fender Hot Wheels  :s
    Link to my trading feedback
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  • meltedbuzzboxmeltedbuzzbox Frets: 10333
    bertie said:
    how many ways can you bolt a strat/tele neck to a body ?    the original way seems to have worked pretty well for over 60 years 

    they're strats and teles,   even £5k is way too much
    Bolted or glued it's all cut out by CNC and slapped together whatever.

    John Cruz appears to have shifted his first batch so there must be some demand. He is no different to suhr and Tom anderson really. All have left fender to churn out their "improved" versions of well known classics
    The Bigsby was the first successful design of what is now called a whammy bar or tremolo arm, although vibrato is the technically correct term for the musical effect it produces. In standard usage, tremolo is a rapid fluctuation of the volume of a note, while vibrato is a fluctuation in pitch. The origin of this nonstandard usage of the term by electric guitarists is attributed to Leo Fender, who also used the term “vibrato” to refer to what is really a tremolo effect.
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  • BoromedicBoromedic Frets: 4327
    edited March 2022
    In fairness Suhr and Anderson are an improvement on the originals, a standard Suhr or Anderson is very much a better guitar out of the box than a standard Fender as it's had more care and attention afforded to it during manufacture. I would also argue that they use better materials in the build than a standard Fender.

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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 24852
    Boromedic said:
    In fairness Suhr and Anderson are an improvement on the originals, a standard Suhr or Anderson is very much a better guitar out of the box than a standard Fender as it's had more care and attention afforded to it during manufacture. I would also argue that they use better materials in the build than a standard Fender.
    Yep. Those both have fairly chunky mods - SS frets, different shapes, pickup combinations, fancy tops etc. 

    These just look like Fenders with ugly headstocks.
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  • LewyLewy Frets: 3795
    I like the headstock shape. It does look like a rip off of the Friedman but I like that one too. $8000 probably corresponds quite directly with Masterbuilt CS so I'm not sure there's too much to be scandalised by, beyond believing that no bolt on guitar could be worth that much.
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  • TeleMasterTeleMaster Frets: 9175
    freakboy1610 said:
    Shit! Now I can't decide whether to get one of these or the Fender Hot Wheels  :s
    Can I suggest the Screamadelica?
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  • TeleMasterTeleMaster Frets: 9175
    Boromedic said:
    In fairness Suhr and Anderson are an improvement on the originals, a standard Suhr or Anderson is very much a better guitar out of the box than a standard Fender as it's had more care and attention afforded to it during manufacture. I would also argue that they use better materials in the build than a standard Fender.
    Objectively you could argue that but as soon as you put two guitars in your hands you may well like the Fender more. It’s not like they’re cheap, or shabby instruments and Custom Shop guitars are excellent instruments with particular neck carves that you just might like more. 
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  • matt_seftonmatt_sefton Frets: 476
    grappagreen said:
    It's an 8k, 'designed for mass production' style guitar bolted together by a bloke with a reputation. It's been worked to look 'old' but is brand new and has no legacy.

    It's just wrong on every level... 

    Arrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

    Perhaps it's just me.

    Si
    It’s not just you.
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  • Philly_QPhilly_Q Frets: 20197
    It's interesting the number of times this forum manages to reduce all Fender and similar guitars to "just a neck bolted to a body" and therefore worth a few hundred quid at most.

    It's as if all those other things like pickups, electronics, hardware, paint, fretwork and the actual construction of that neck and body are completely irrelevant.
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  • fretmeisterfretmeister Frets: 22257
    Lewy said:
    I like the headstock shape. It does look like a rip off of the Friedman but I like that one too. $8000 probably corresponds quite directly with Masterbuilt CS so I'm not sure there's too much to be scandalised by, beyond believing that no bolt on guitar could be worth that much.
    I don't mind the headstock either. There's far worse out there.

    I am in the 8K for a bolt on is too much camp though. Mind you, Fender managed to sell the £15,000 Lynott P bass - but that came with a studded wrist band!!
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  • matt_seftonmatt_sefton Frets: 476
    Philly_Q said:
    It's interesting the number of times this forum manages to reduce all Fender and similar guitars to "just a neck bolted to a body" and therefore worth a few hundred quid at most.

    It's as if all those other things like pickups, electronics, hardware, paint, fretwork and the actual construction of that neck and body are completely irrelevant.
    Oh come on! The actual cost of the parts of that guitar will be less than $500 to John Cruz. Construction of a strat body and neck is extremely simple for anyone with a modicum of woodworking skills. The fretwork and setup is a doddle for any experienced tech. The relicing isn’t rocket science either. You’re paying $1000 for the guitar and $7000 for the name on the headstock.
    He’s hardly the first to do this and won’t be the last but as long as people want to spend money on guitars like that good luck to him.
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