Boss GX-100 modeller/ multi-fx?

Chuffola · March 2022

This popped up in my facebook this morning. Can't see any other threads.

Is this the Pod Go equivalent of the GT-1000? Looks pretty nice.

https://www.guitarworld.com/news/boss-gx-100

Pre-order at Andertons £499. I'm tempted...

FarleyUK · March 2022

Looks like BOSS have released a new shiny toy:

https://www.boss.info/uk/products/gx-100/

Looks and sounds great, although I can't see anywhere actually selling it.... have heard it's $599 in the US, so will probably be around £600 here.

EDIT - Andertons have pre-orders for £500. https://www.andertons.co.uk/brands/boss/boss-gx-100-guitar-effects-processor

Think I might take the plunge....!

StefB · March 2022

This looks brilliant, I'll be keeping an eye on the reviews.

StefB · March 2022

It's already ahead of Pod Go in my book by having MIDI in/out, external relay switching and a touch screen.

fretmeister · March 2022

Only 16 IR slots is somewhat limiting compared to the competition.

fretmeister · March 2022

Only 16 IR slots

StefB · March 2022

fretmeister said:

Only 16 IR slots is somewhat limiting compared to the competition.

How many does the average user typically use?

Not being flippant, I've just never used IRs and if I did can't see any scenario (in a function band set up) where I'd ever need more than 3 or 4 to cover the main cab types.

StefB · March 2022

Two threads running concurrently, mods might want to merge them - https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/223968/boss-gx-100#latest

Grumpyrocker · March 2022

StefB · March 2022

Two threads running concurrently, mods might want to merge them - https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/223967/boss-gx-100-modeller-multi-fx#latest

meltedbuzzbox · March 2022

So its a modernisation of the old GT range?

Could be interesting if it has all the 200/500 series stuff in it with some extra bits

fretmeister · March 2022

StefB said:

fretmeister said:

Only 16 IR slots is somewhat limiting compared to the competition.

How many does the average user typically use?

Not being flippant, I've just never used IRs and if I did can't see any scenario (in a function band set up) where I'd ever need more than 3 or 4 to cover the main cab types.

The Helix / Fractal / Kemper facebook pages have pages of people complaining they only have 128 slots.

It's a convenience thing - they don't want to hook up to their PC's to swap them around to audition them, they just want them available.

NorthernStomps · March 2022

StefB said:

fretmeister said:

Only 16 IR slots is somewhat limiting compared to the competition.

How many does the average user typically use?

Not being flippant, I've just never used IRs and if I did can't see any scenario (in a function band set up) where I'd ever need more than 3 or 4 to cover the main cab types.

I play using a valve amp and never leave the house with fewer than 50 different speaker cabs

fretmeister · March 2022

NorthernStomps said:

StefB said:

fretmeister said:

Only 16 IR slots is somewhat limiting compared to the competition.

How many does the average user typically use?

Not being flippant, I've just never used IRs and if I did can't see any scenario (in a function band set up) where I'd ever need more than 3 or 4 to cover the main cab types.

I play using a valve amp and never leave the house with fewer than 50 different speaker cabs

It's almost like modern recording and going out playing are entirely different things with different approaches.

bermudianbrit · March 2022

god I detest this trend of touch screens on gear, combined with no screen reader accessibility for the IOS apps or windows apps. I am so tired of every piece of musical gear in the last 10 years screwing blind players.

StefB · March 2022

NorthernStomps said:

StefB said:

fretmeister said:

Only 16 IR slots is somewhat limiting compared to the competition.

How many does the average user typically use?

Not being flippant, I've just never used IRs and if I did can't see any scenario (in a function band set up) where I'd ever need more than 3 or 4 to cover the main cab types.

I play using a valve amp and never leave the house with fewer than 50 different speaker cabs

So do I, hence my naivety about the *need* for multiple IRs.

I'm not so far down the other end of the 'all you need is a Bandit/HRD and a HSS Strat to cover every gig' spectrum that I don't understand its nice to have the choice, but still.

Chuffola · March 2022

@Roland ; @Bridgehouse @digitalscream ;

Sorry to tag 3 of you - fancy merging this with the other GX100 thread - both posted within mins of each other. Thanks!

Stratavarious · March 2022

Could upgrade my trusty GT100 i take everywhere as backup

Roland · March 2022

Threads merged

fretmeister · March 2022

StefB said:

NorthernStomps said:

StefB said:

fretmeister said:

Only 16 IR slots is somewhat limiting compared to the competition.

How many does the average user typically use?

Not being flippant, I've just never used IRs and if I did can't see any scenario (in a function band set up) where I'd ever need more than 3 or 4 to cover the main cab types.

I play using a valve amp and never leave the house with fewer than 50 different speaker cabs

So do I, hence my naivety about the *need* for multiple IRs.

I'm not so far down the other end of the 'all you need is a Bandit/HRD and a HSS Strat to cover every gig' spectrum that I don't understand its nice to have the choice, but still.

It's a recording thing mainly.

But - even if the live approach is very different that still needs the IRs to be auditioned at rehearsals at gig volume before a choice can be made.

An IR is really just another variable setting. You don't pick where your treble control is going to be at home and assume it will work without adjustment at rehearsal at full volume or at every different venue.

So you buy a modest IR pack of a 4x12 loaded with V30 speakers.

That IR pack will probably come with over a hundred different actual IR files

It will have a dozen or so different mic options. Then for each of those mics there will be close medium and far mic distances, and maybe really far room mic as well. Then for each of those, on axis and varying degrees of being off-axis. Sometimes there will be a blend of mics as well - again with an individual file for every permutation.

And this is just for a 4x12 with V30s in it.

Even if you already know your favourite mic for this 4x12 is the good old SM57, you'll still have far more than 16 IRs to audition.

Do you really want to have to take your PC with you just to swap them round rather than just twisting a knob to A/B them?

I think everyone calms down and does end up picking some favourites, but then there are some in big covers bands who have a patch per song and within that patch have a different IR for clean and dirty sounds.

16 really isn't a lot.

Bidley · March 2022

Agree with @fretmeister, although 16 is plenty when you know which IR you want, when you consider the mic/distance conbinations as well, it's not many at all.

I wonder what the reasoning behind it is. Why not have infinite slots and only be limited by the internal storage capacity?

fretmeister · March 2022

Apparently the AXFx3 now has about 3000 slots!

hollywoodrox · March 2022

I was really excited to see this as I love the GT 1 , Ive had two still using one now .

Always admired the GT 100 and 1000 and have nearly bought an ME50 a few times as I know it can get sounds I like ,also owned a ME 70.

I feel for what I would like I’m covered By the GT1 which is extremely useful being battery powered . But I really know my next unit will be in the Helix family and looks like it will be the HX Stomp . They cover all the hardware models I desire , including things like 80s rack gear and they have a great range of modelled amps including Friedman and SLO 100.

I downloaded the Boss parameter document which only seems to have about 20 pre amp models
which for the price could seem lacking to some .

I’m not knocking Boss , This may outperform the other famous modellers and gives you a lot more for your money in some features probably . But the stomp and Helix I think for me have a wider choice ,although it will probably be trickier for me to set up as I’m used to dialling stuff in on the GT1 etc which I find quite easy although assigns can be a bit complicated at times

StefB · March 2022

fretmeister said:

StefB said:

NorthernStomps said:

StefB said:

fretmeister said:

Only 16 IR slots is somewhat limiting compared to the competition.

How many does the average user typically use?

Not being flippant, I've just never used IRs and if I did can't see any scenario (in a function band set up) where I'd ever need more than 3 or 4 to cover the main cab types.

I play using a valve amp and never leave the house with fewer than 50 different speaker cabs

So do I, hence my naivety about the *need* for multiple IRs.

I'm not so far down the other end of the 'all you need is a Bandit/HRD and a HSS Strat to cover every gig' spectrum that I don't understand its nice to have the choice, but still.

It's a recording thing mainly.

But - even if the live approach is very different that still needs the IRs to be auditioned at rehearsals at gig volume before a choice can be made.

An IR is really just another variable setting. You don't pick where your treble control is going to be at home and assume it will work without adjustment at rehearsal at full volume or at every different venue.

So you buy a modest IR pack of a 4x12 loaded with V30 speakers.

That IR pack will probably come with over a hundred different actual IR files

It will have a dozen or so different mic options. Then for each of those mics there will be close medium and far mic distances, and maybe really far room mic as well. Then for each of those, on axis and varying degrees of being off-axis. Sometimes there will be a blend of mics as well - again with an individual file for every permutation.

And this is just for a 4x12 with V30s in it.

Even if you already know your favourite mic for this 4x12 is the good old SM57, you'll still have far more than 16 IRs to audition.

Do you really want to have to take your PC with you just to swap them round rather than just twisting a knob to A/B them?

I think everyone calms down and does end up picking some favourites, but then there are some in big covers bands who have a patch per song and within that patch have a different IR for clean and dirty sounds.

16 really isn't a lot.

Thanks for the explanation @fretmeister, appreciated and useful to know.

fretmeister · March 2022

I was amazed the first time I bought an IR pack - it was an Ownhammer Mesa 4x12 one.

Literally thousands of files - different capture rates, different IR length, and then all that stuff above.

Very easy to disappear down the rabbit hole and never actually getting any playing done!

TTBZ · March 2022

I'm quite interested in this, I was looking at the IR-200 as I wouldn't mind trying Boss modelling (I've given Line 6 enough tries now - just not for me) as everyone comments on the feel being the best. This has the X-Modded too which seems the best Boss amp for tones I like. Also Boss FX are great so might be a better pedalboard replacement than the Stomp was. Haven't heard any convincing demos of it yet but if it's the same amps/processing etc as the bigger GTs then it should be capable of sounding great.

16 IRs is plenty imo. I audition IRs by recording direct with the cab turned off then load up NadIR and scroll through til I find what I like, then import that one. With York Audio it's almost always Mix 01 anyway.

chrisj1602 · March 2022

Having just sold my Pod Go to go back to an Iridium and a few pedals, this is rather annoyingly tempting me.

roberty · March 2022

bermudianbrit said:

god I detest this trend of touch screens on gear, combined with no screen reader accessibility for the IOS apps or windows apps. I am so tired of every piece of musical gear in the last 10 years screwing blind players.

This is a real shame. The apps in particular should be accessible. I'm sure they would take a complaint like this seriously

roberty · March 2022

Bidley said:

Agree with @fretmeister, although 16 is plenty when you know which IR you want, when you consider the mic/distance conbinations as well, it's not many at all.

I wonder what the reasoning behind it is. Why not have infinite slots and only be limited by the internal storage capacity?

They upped the number of presets on the DD-200 from 4 to 128 in a subsequent firmware release. Maybe it will happen

UnclePsychosis · March 2022

Colour me interested...

tekbow · March 2022

Having had a look at the parameter guide vs the 1000 series, the gx100 has 24bit AD/DA vs the 32 of the 1000, and half the sampling rate at 48khz.

Also has assignable blocks rather than the 1000s fixed blocks, But less of them and the prospect of running out of DSP, much like the HX stuff.

On IRs, I tend to find that 16 would be plenty, but to Boss' credit the new IRs they introduced inthe recent 1000 update are MUCH better.

I tend to just use my CAB M+ in a loop.

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