R8 Peach Deal

Adamski · September 2018

Just one full day and a few hours to go until I get mine!

Brize · September 2018

darthed1981 said:

Is it wrong while looking at these earlier I actually found myself wanting this one...?

https://www.coda-music.com/gibson-usa-2018-les-paul-standard-cobalt-burst-180050268.html

Watching all of those Mary Spender videos is clearly taking its toll.

terada · September 2018

Twinfan said:

Brize said:

Ahem. I never said that 2017 Custom Shop Les Pauls had short tenons.

Sorry - I mis-read the multiple quoting. I've corrected it, it was terada

Sorry guys, didn't mean to cause any confusion.

Before buying my 2017 I spent a while reading a number of threads on a certain les paul specific forum

where they were talking about the plastics, TH spec, 2015 and 2016 historics, CS serials, CR serials, and standards.

Posters were getting in a tiz about the differences, all quite silly really, and I must have blended too many parameters! Doesn't help that I also watched a video by andertons about CS's being sold with a short tennon in June 2016 where they were specifically talking about the tennons being sold on those 2016 models, while on the threads 2016 models were being included as rebranded historic 'standards'.

To clarify, I do not think that this relates to the tennon, it may relate to other specs, including plastics, according to the other forum. There was however a lot of uncertainty over what the actual spec was for 2017.

@Brize s comment about the change in manufacture appeared to be potential evidence to support some claims made in those threads, hence I asked the question.

To me, I'm not bothered about the minutiae, I'm not even bothered about the tennon

, but I understand that should I want to sell in future, I'd most likely be selling to a market that were.

lp59boy · September 2018

Oh dear

just brought my 2nd of these just now, the 8 pound 1 ounce cherry from coda

tomajoha · September 2018

Washed cherry again

terada · September 2018

lp59boy said:

Oh dear

just brought my 2nd of these just now, the 8 pound 1 ounce cherry from coda

You sir, are a winner

Legionreturns · September 2018

I'm confused.

I don't actually care, but I'm still confused.

Is this a larger, smaller or normal gap?

Mine is a later '17 iirc ...with a 6 digit serial number

terada · September 2018

tomajoha said:

Washed cherry again

Gorgeous mineral streaks on that

terada · September 2018

Legionreturns said:

I'm confused.

I don't actually care, but I'm still confused.

Is this a larger, smaller or normal gap?

Mine is a later '17 iirc ...with a 6 digit serial number

That's the size that Peach told me was a TH feature

tomajoha · September 2018

Thanks @terada ;

Brize · September 2018

Legionreturns said:

I'm confused.

I don't actually care, but I'm still confused.

Is this a larger, smaller or normal gap?

Mine is a later '17 iirc ...with a 6 digit serial number

Smaller gap.

CloudNine · September 2018

Low serial 2017 R8's with big gap = Firewood.

Legionreturns · September 2018

Brize said:

Legionreturns said:

I'm confused.

I don't actually care, but I'm still confused.

Is this a larger, smaller or normal gap?

Mine is a later '17 iirc ...with a 6 digit serial number

Smaller gap.

Ok. Thanks. I feel justrightwhelmed by that info.

I also weighed it today, again, largely irrelevant to me as I'm a big guy and don't notice the weight.

8lbs 14.1 oz

Being almost exactly between my ideal weights of: "nothing at all" and "the maximum I can comfortably hold on a strap, on my shoulder, for several hours"; that is perfect.

terada · September 2018

Just to add some more info to this:

My 2014:

Image: http://i67.tinypic.com/2vt5v04.png

My Feb 2017:

Image: http://i63.tinypic.com/51a2kg.png

How would you say this one looks @Brize ? Looks the same as @Legionreturns to me

Philly_Q · September 2018

lp59boy said:

Oh dear

just brought my 2nd of these just now, the 8 pound 1 ounce cherry from coda

Phew, temptation removed.

meltedbuzzbox · September 2018

Legionreturns said:

I'm confused.

I don't actually care, but I'm still confused.

Is this a larger, smaller or normal gap?

Mine is a later '17 iirc ...with a 6 digit serial number

Dude!!! That's a chibson :-p

TINMAN82 · September 2018

terada said:

Just to add some more info to this:

My 2014:

My Feb 2017:

How would you say this one looks @Brize ? Looks the same as @Legionreturns to me

I’d say that’s on the smaller side, kind of running against the “spec change at end of run” idea.

Also, some of the gaps are at an angle (see Legionreturns) which to me implies a product of manufacturing tolerances and materials rather than design.

Its minutiae for sure but then we are paying top dollar for historic re-enactment so some of us must care!

Moe_Zambeek · September 2018

TINMAN82 said:

terada said:

Just to add some more info to this:

My 2014:

My Feb 2017:

How would you say this one looks @Brize ? Looks the same as @Legionreturns to me

I’d say that’s on the smaller side, kind of running against the “spec change at end of run” idea.

Also, some of the gaps are at an angle (see Legionreturns) which to me implies a product of manufacturing tolerances and materials rather than design.

Its minutiae for sure but then we are paying top dollar for historic re-enactment so some of us must care!

Seems like the kind of random manufacturing differences Gibson are renowned and lambasted for, if you ask me. All this about it changing over the course of the run sounds like reverse-justification flannel to me. it won’t matter anyway, really.

SteveF · September 2018

Brize said:

TINMAN82 said:

Moe_Zambeek said:

terada said:

Brize said:

TINMAN82 said:

Not sure I follow the logic re neck pickup ring closer later in the year.

If you look at the BOTB reference book, a significant proportion have the gap. I don't think its designed that way, its the end result of x, y and z pieces of wood being sawn and glued together + manufacturing tolerances. Still pretty traditional and hand finished at Gibson.

When the 2017 guitars were released, the gap was very noticeable and generally much bigger than any original example. Gibson and the dealers tried to make out that it was historically accurate, which it was, to an extent. Guitars with later serial numbers in the 2017 run definitely have a smaller gap or eliminate it almost completely, so I can only assume that it was a deliberate manufacturing change.

Very interesting. What do you think about the TH/non TH guitars being rebranded as 'Standard' for 2017?

I've read on LP specific sites that the consensus last year was that buying a 2017 was either good value (a TH spec for a much cheaper than usual price) or poor value (a non TH spec including short tennon etc for higher than CS8/9 etc price).

Obviously at the price we've all paid it makes no difference, but the movement in pickup position is the only thing I've seen that might support this assertion.

Are these short tenons then?

Exactly my question. I thought all long tenon at least since 2013.

Custom Shop Les Pauls have always had long tenons - it was only in 2015 that Gibson changed this for the 'Standard Historic' guitars.

Yep, definitely long tenon:

Image: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kyq37iw8fewgn6g/IMG_2390.jpg?raw=1

Brize · September 2018

TINMAN82 said:

I’d say that’s on the smaller side, kind of running against the “spec change at end of run” idea.

@Moe_Zambeek

See here - the five-digit guitars have the gap; the six-digit guitars don't:

https://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/product/180814331286008-1946607--gibson-custom-shop-les-paul-standard-1959-figured-top-f

There will almost certainly be one, but I've yet to find an exception to this rule.

Edit: What I've posted above is rubbish - there are plenty of examples on the GuitarGuitar website that disprove my contention.

Neil · September 2018

Legionreturns said:

I'm confused.

I don't actually care, but I'm still confused.

Is this a larger, smaller or normal gap?

Mine is a later '17 iirc ...with a 6 digit serial number

It's the famous "wonky gap" .

Historically correct.

Ossyrocks · September 2018

Brize said:

TINMAN82 said:

I’d say that’s on the smaller side, kind of running against the “spec change at end of run” idea.

@Moe_Zambeek

See here - the five-digit guitars have the gap; the six-digit guitars don't:

https://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/product/180814331286008-1946607--gibson-custom-shop-les-paul-standard-1959-figured-top-f

There will almost certainly be one, but I've yet to find an exception to this rule.

Ok, just checked mine.

Washed cherry, five digit serial, wide gap.
Iced tea, six digit serial, tiny gap.

Whouda thunk it?

Ossyrocks · September 2018

One has shown up on eBay, and it looks like the seller is taking a hit on it.

Lovely Top on it too.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gibson-Custom-Shop-1958-Les-Paul-Standard-VOS-Washed-Cherry/153173694053?epid=15018956705&hash=item23a9dd1665:g:gqIAAOSwO95blVxn

mli3 · September 2018

is that part of the same series ? doesn't have the same Custom sticker on the pickguard

Ossyrocks · September 2018

mli3 said:

is that part of the same series ? doesn't have the same Custom sticker on the pickguard

Well spotted. But, yes, otherwise it looks all right to me. It is a very early 2017, so maybe that accounts for the different sticker.

I love the look of it though.

Legionreturns · September 2018

mli3 said:

is that part of the same series ? doesn't have the same Custom sticker on the pickguard

My custom sticker lasted about 3 seconds.

Why would you leave it on? It's packaging!

crunchman · September 2018

Legionreturns said:

mli3 said:

is that part of the same series ? doesn't have the same Custom sticker on the pickguard

My custom sticker lasted about 3 seconds.

Why would you leave it on? It's packaging!

I took mine off. It's one of those ones you could put back on again if you want - a bit like the old car tax holders that used to stick to your windscreen.

Ossyrocks · September 2018

Legionreturns said:

mli3 said:

is that part of the same series ? doesn't have the same Custom sticker on the pickguard

My custom sticker lasted about 3 seconds.

Why would you leave it on? It's packaging!

I think what he’s saying is the the type/style of sticker is different from all the other 2017 R8’s we have seen, which was curious....no?

Twinfan · September 2018

Yep, it's very early Jan 2017 on the paperwork. It's the last of an old batch of stickers.

roberty · September 2018

Ossyrocks said:

mli3 said:

is that part of the same series ? doesn't have the same Custom sticker on the pickguard

Well spotted. But, yes, otherwise it looks all right to me. It is a very early 2017, so maybe that accounts for the different sticker.

I love the look of it though.

Mine's a December '16 and it had the same sticker as the rest here, not the one on the eBay guitar

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