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1. Room 1 is managed. At quad and to an extent at Northampton I managed the room. This means setting running order, getting people set up and actually in the room at the right time.
2. For all the above suggestions to work, Room 2 would need to be managed too.
3. I can't manage room 2 if I'm managing room 1. That means someone else has to do it. It's quite a bit of work and will impact on their day and how much they can participate at the Jam.
Organising each Jam is a pleasure, but it is a lot of work. Moreover, it's a lot of work on the day itself.
Having a more structured room 2 or room 3 means someone stepping up to the plate and doing the running. Without that, room 2 will always just be an anything goes room.
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I set up the jam in the third room at Leicester as I wanted to play drums on the day, so I took the initiative, got the owner to allocate us another room, and invited people in to play. And I’ll do the same at the Northern one. But my attitude is that you need to put some effort in to get the most out of these sorts of events, nobody knows what you want from the day apart from you, so you need to help it happen.
I hadn’t realised how much effort goes into setting a small jam session up, but I do now, and I don’t think a single person could or should organise a second room, but the others can make it happen with a bit of discussion before the day or during the event.
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I may sound like I'm being harsh, but for a second room to work, anyone who wants to get something out of it has to be prepared to step up on the day and do a bit of organising. And I say that only because for the organiser room 1 will take up 100% of your time.
I’ll help with running a less formal jam room at t’Northern jam (as I think you’ve got 3 rooms booked), if there’s enough interest from the others. But it will be about wanting to play music with others in a more relaxed setting rather than teaching stuff (as YouTube is much better at that than I am)
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On the day, it was pretty much full time for room 1, so another 7 hours or so.
I think a structured room 2/3 is a great idea - I just don't want anyone to go into it not knowing how much effort is required..
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It's a delicate balance. For the thing to work well, there has to be organisation and preparation, and also a commitment to being organised and prepared.
It needs discussing in the Huddersfield thread really, but there are perhaps a couple of options to tweak things ...
- Room1 is for playing - it's worked well for both sessions so far. Perhaps we split the playlist into a couple of sections.
- Room2 gets used for learning/practising while the first songlist is happening, and then for demos/etc whilst the second songlist is happening.
That means organising for both rooms and co-ordinating the timings across both rooms (and/or allowing plenty of contingency time for different rooms to catch up and re-synch, which would be wasted time).Section1 is for those who feel reasonably comfortable preparing beforehand, so they can arrive, plug-in and play.
Section2 follows. It's for those who'd prefer a bit of tuition and run-through in room2 first, before plugging-in and playing. Maybe there's then a Section3 for more plug-in and players, or maybe a grand finale where more people can get involved in something reasonably straightforward (Roadhouse Blues?) before we finish with Comfortably (of course).
How much time gets allocation to Section1, Section2, (maybe a Section3) and finale probably depends on the mix of people attending and their assessment of what they need/want from the day.
That still needs organising, otherwise it becomes a noodle-fest, with specific timings allocated for learning specific songs (and time-boxing that), for each demo, etc.
Northampton had few enough people for two rooms to be ok, although even then, as has been pointed out, it was noisy at times and organised practice didn't take off.
Similarly for room 1 we ask a lot of a few people to provide a "house band" and it needs to be fair on them too - they need to at least enjoy some of it (!)
I have found room 1 at Leicester and Northampton to be good. As we do more we will learn more - and I'm sure there is scope for some teaching in there.
Being intrinsically involved in room 1 really does make it hard for me to have any impact on room 2,3,4 etc..
what do others want to achieve at a jam session?
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i thought I was the only person in planet earth with that allergy!!! I can’t drink Coca Cola (or other brands of the same stuff) either....
Sorry.... as you were.
The things you learn..
When these sessions were originally suggested, a large part of the purpose was to help those who were less comfortable or experienced at playing with a band, in a more public setting.
There is a good mix of attendees, from those with lots of experience, through to those with none. So that everybody gets some enjoyment out of the day's playing, my suggestion was to split rm1 into a couple of sessions, one for the experienced, one for the inexperienced.
While the experienced are playing, the inexperienced are practising (*not* learning from scratch) in rm2 - even if thats just practising playing with others, or refining a riff, or whatever. That's so they can build a little confidence *before* joining the full band. Makes it more satisfying for everyone.
But rm2 has to be organised and run as effectively as rm1 was in Leics & Northampton - to allow practice time for all who want it.
Agreed, rm2 needs a different organiser to rm1, because one person can't be in two places.
Also although I was the jointhouse band bassist I still found it hard going so if possible in future get a rota of two especially for drums.
Talking of which at Northampton you dont have a drummer. With advance notice I might be able to get one.
Finally some of my comments here have been unanswered so I'm feeling unloved. Please type in drama queen.
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I have split out the recordings into individual files - with a bit of bass cut and compression they sound good which I will do to the MP3s. MP3's are about 5MB, or have WAV format if you fancy post processing yourself (30-60 MB).
If anyone wants a copy of their songs PM me your email address.
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