Luton Airport car park fire...

mrkb · October 2023

elstoof said:

TfL have banned people from taking electric cars on their services? This is huge

It’s true, Last time I tried to drive my car down to the platform they had put barriers in place!

elstoof · October 2023

They have banned electric scooters, but that because they’re an unregulated industry due to being technically illegal to use in public. They haven’t banned mobility scooters or electric bicycles, just the things you can cobble together yourself from alibaba parts which have caught fire due to defective, unregulated battery units

Boromedic · October 2023

Looks like a newer model Landrover Disco or them awful Evoque things in the pics I've seen, they do a diesel and a hybrid so who knows. They do have a lot of electrical gremlins in those newer Landrovers.

DiscoStu · October 2023

They've only got £100 excess on their insurance though, so not all bad news.

mrkb · October 2023

Boromedic said:

Looks like a newer model Landrover Disco or them awful Evoque things in the pics I've seen, they do a diesel and a hybrid so who knows. They do have a lot of electrical gremlins in those newer Landrovers.

I’ve had 8 new Discovery’s in the last 10 years and had no electrical issues.

S56035 · October 2023

What is a Bev? I know a Bev but she's unlikely to set herself on fire.

euan · October 2023

Battery Electric Vehicle

VimFuego · October 2023

I've heard (from a mate who got it from a reliable source) that Greta herself was seen with a blowtorch near the scene.

darthed1981 · October 2023

I was thinking this morning...

"I bet someone will start a thread on TFB blaming an EV for the fire"

Thanks for not disappointing me oldiewonks.

p90fool · October 2023

mrkb said:

Boromedic said:

Looks like a newer model Landrover Disco or them awful Evoque things in the pics I've seen, they do a diesel and a hybrid so who knows. They do have a lot of electrical gremlins in those newer Landrovers.

I’ve had 8 new Discovery’s in the last 10 years and had no electrical issues.

Well they don't seem to survive very long, top marks for loyalty and perseverance.

Adey · October 2023

Sporky said:

Adey said:

there is clearly a significant risk with these batteries

If that's the case you'll be able to quantify it.

If you can't, it's speculation.

Haha!

Probably worth waiting for the fire brigade report then and avoid the speculation...

Sporky · October 2023

I'm not disputing that an EV battery fire is rather serious, but a certain bit of the media is very keen to jump on any opportunity to bash EVs.

One might reasonably wonder how much of their funding is via the oil companies.

S56035 · October 2023

euan said:

Battery Electric Vehicle

Literally never heard that anywhere but here. Surely the Battery is redundant? Not like it can be plugged in while it's being driven.

Offset · October 2023

S56035 said:

euan said:

Battery Electric Vehicle

Literally never heard that anywhere but here. Surely the Battery is redundant? Not like it can be plugged in while it's being driven.

Exactly. Is there any other type of EV apart from those with batteries?

CavemanGrogg · October 2023

Offset said:

S56035 said:

euan said:

Battery Electric Vehicle

Literally never heard that anywhere but here. Surely the Battery is redundant? Not like it can be plugged in while it's being driven.

Exactly. Is there any other type of EV apart from those with batteries?

Ones with bloody long extension cords? I've never seen nor heard of one, and I got an EV motorbike back in the late 80's and early 90's, so it's not that I haven't been exposed to or have any experience with the technology, yet in all those years, I've yet to see either a car or motorcycle dragging along a a good few miles worth of extension cable behind it.

lustycourtier · October 2023

DuploLicks said:

This is the first time I can remember a ‘car park fire’. I’m sure cars have caught fire in multi-stories before but it hasn’t resulted in the whole place burning up!

Even if it wasn’t an EV that started it, when an EV does go up they take everything with it. I’ll definitely be thinking about whether I need to park in a multi-storey car park in future

There was a huge one in Liverpool about 5 years ago.

Boromedic · October 2023

mrkb said:

Boromedic said:

Looks like a newer model Landrover Disco or them awful Evoque things in the pics I've seen, they do a diesel and a hybrid so who knows. They do have a lot of electrical gremlins in those newer Landrovers.

I’ve had 8 new Discovery’s in the last 10 years and had no electrical issues.

You must be lucky then, my wife has a Fiat 500 and I do a lot of motorway miles, quite often when I see a stranded car it's either a 500 or a newer Landrover more than other cars. We've been lucky with our Fiat too. We deal with recovery at work too and the RAC and they deal with a lot of JLR vehicles.

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/land-rover-discovery-is-most-unreliable-used-car-top-10-worst-offenders-named-and-shamed/272103

stickyfiddle · October 2023

Offset said:

S56035 said:

euan said:

Battery Electric Vehicle

Literally never heard that anywhere but here. Surely the Battery is redundant? Not like it can be plugged in while it's being driven.

Exactly. Is there any other type of EV apart from those with batteries?

To be fair H2 cars are technically EVs as well - the fuel cell uses H2 to make electricity. But there ain't many of them around yet!

euan · October 2023

Offset said:

S56035 said:

euan said:

Battery Electric Vehicle

Literally never heard that anywhere but here. Surely the Battery is redundant? Not like it can be plugged in while it's being driven.

Exactly. Is there any other type of EV apart from those with batteries?

HCEV - hydrogen fuel cell EV, such as the Toyota Mira

There is also a class of EVs where an ICE acts solely as a generator for an electric motor. As well as PHEVs and HEVs which also have a ICE and different charging methods for the battery.

Danny1969 · October 2023

I had an Austin Maestro when I was in my twenties which caught fire while I was driving it. It was caused by something so simple. There was a connector that plugged onto a switch in the gearbox and when you put it in reverse it sent 12V to the reversing lights. Over time the this small loom had been vibrating against the gearbox until eventually it had worn away it's insulation and partially shorted on the gearbox housing. This caused the wire insulation to catch fire and that caught the whole engine bay alight.
Unfortunately I had pulled over at the last place I could before the M27 started and that place was a garage so here I am in a garage with the bonnet up and the engine bay on fire. I had to sacrifice my coat to put it out.

Normal cars are prone to fires because the the whole car is earthed and the battery is capable of enormous currents ... Then once they are alight in the engine bay you have very little time to put it out before it's game over. Everything is so hot is just burns instantly.

A 28V battery and half the currents would be a better idea

roundthebend · October 2023

Traditional trams are Electric Vehicles, but don't have batteries for the traction motor (I think). They use a pantograph. Just like a dodgem car at the fair.

The term BEV seems to have come into use with the advent of modern electric cars. In that sense it is used to distinguish between those that are solely run from a battery onboard and need to be plugged in to recharge.
An HEV (Hybrid Electric Vehicle) will use a battery and motor as well as an ICE to power the car, and the battery is recharged usually by regeneration, possibly by solar.
PHEV (plug-in) are similar but you can plug them in to recharge the battery.

There are some cars which run purely on battery/motor, but have an onboard ICE to generate electricity for recharging the battery. All of the motive power is provided from the battery/motor though, unlike an HEV which uses some clever engineering to blend the two power sources seamlessly to the wheels.

I'd never heard of H2EV, but that's mentioned further up and is a Hyrdogen fuel-cell rather than a conventional battery.

I think that's about right.

DuploLicks · October 2023

Geoff has some internet sleuthing going on. There seems to be something amiss with JLRs in general, ICE or EV
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G-zKTqe19ss

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