Youtube prankster shot

FelineGuitars · October 2023

https://youtube.com/shorts/WntjAM2wqF8?si=kAvBk4glCTJrU7H7

hollywoodrox · October 2023

His mums fit though

p90fool · October 2023

I'd say that "prank" carried out by two young men hassling a much smaller stranger must have felt pretty scary. I'm getting older, have had various health issues and currently am blind in one eye awaiting yet another operation and as someone who's 6'3" and always been capable of looking after myself have started to get an inkling of what it's like to feel vulnerable around strangers sometimes.

I wouldn't be surprised if the demeanor of the prankster while stood next to his mother is his general behaviour that that may have had a bearing on the outcome too.

He's a big guy and a cocky cunt in country full of armed people. I'm not advocating his death, but he shouldn't be remotely surprised.

Teetonetal · October 2023

Can't say this is surprising. Pranking strangers in a country where enough of the population is scared, paranoid and armed is eventually not going to end well.

Bit shitty all round, but overall, in the context of the USA, I think my sympathies lie with the shooter.

steer · October 2023

DuploLicks said:

I’ll add that we don’t know what the accused has been through in the past and a character reference would be useful. I hope we can agree that delivery work exposes you to a lot of weird & difficult situations, some of which may be quite scary and could affect the way you view situations.

If the gunman is such a damaged flower that he is liable to snap and shoot someone at point blank range after 30 seconds of nonsense, then they should not be allowed to have a gun and frankly should not be allowed near sharp objects either.

Tannin · October 2023

steer said:

If the gunman is such a damaged flower that he is liable to snap and shoot someone at point blank range after 30 seconds of nonsense, then they should not be allowed to have a gun and frankly should not be allowed near sharp objects either.

Are we talking some vaguely sane place now? Or the USA?

fretmeister · October 2023

What the fuck is wrong with Americans (and indeed anyone in this thread saying the guy got what was due to him?)

Guns as the first response? A good punch in the guts would have done it.

munckee · October 2023

fretmeister said:

What the fuck is wrong with Americans (and indeed anyone in this thread saying the guy got what was due to him?)

Guns as the first response? A good punch in the guts would have done it.

For all we know the shooter has been beaten up by people before and carries a gun around with a mantra it is not happening to me again. The shooter also has to consider the two menacing looking dudes harassing him for no reason may well have guns. I agree he wasn't justified to shoot but most people on here are not saying he got what he was due, just that behaving like that in a country with such easy access to guns opens you to that risk.

Mattharrier · October 2023

The shooter shouldn't have shot the guy. But he was, what, 5'9? The "prankster" is 6'5. And not a lean man, he's pretty big. I'd feel very intimidated if he, and a crony, appeared out of nowhere and started pushing a device in my face.

The fact that guns are so prevalent in the US is a major problem, and the fact that - unlike here and many other countries - the default position is that you can own a gun, rather than anyone who wants one needs to apply for a license, is also a major problem. You have to wonder if the shooter has some issues with mental stability, given how quickly he pulled and shot.

But equally, is that what happened? There's no requirement in the US to have any training in order to own a gun, and in Texas, there's not even a requirement to have a permit to carry a concealed hand gun. So it's entirely possible that Colie pulled the gun, intending to threaten Cook, and fired accidentally. A light trigger, and a wielder who doesn't know to keep their finger outside the trigger guard until they intend to fire, could easily end with an accidental discharge.

That said, the general thinking is that if you're going to pull a gun on someone, you need to be prepared to use it. Otherwise they'll just take your gun from you and shoot you with it. So Colie might have just committed, and pulled and shot really fast.

I don't think Colie was justified, but equally anyone that harasses people - particularly strangers in a public place - should be subject to legal penalties. I don't find prankster-style comedy funny - occasionally, if it's something along the lines of celebrities doing hidden camera shows, it can be OK (the Dave Lee Travis Gotcha Oscar made me laugh when I was a kid, although mostly for the bit at the end after the reveal) but generally I find it to be repulsive and mean. It's easy-target comedy that relies on people being made uncomfortable (at the least - often scared) and the people that perpetrate it don't deserve the money or fame they get from it.

In this case, I think NBA rules should apply - one foul doesn't cancel out another. Colie should have been convicted of attempted manslaughter (clearly not premeditated, and definitely extenuating circumstances) and Cook should have been charged with, and convicted of, harassment and intimidation (insert appropriate legal terms as necessary). Colie shouldn't be allowed to own guns, or at the very least shouldn't be able to carry a loaded weapon on his person outside of a registered shooting club. Cook shouldn't be allowed to film strangers in public.

But until America realises that the right to bear arms was appropriate at the time of the second amendment, but not any more, and that the right was conferred by an amendment and therefore isn't as unalienable as many pro-gun people claim, this sort of thing will keep on happening.

Just for full disclosure, I own several shotguns. I don't believe that guns have no place in modern society (I use mine for clay pigeon shooting, for example), however I also believe that access should be difficult and there are people who should not be allowed near them.

Mattharrier · October 2023

fretmeister said:

What the fuck is wrong with Americans (and indeed anyone in this thread saying the guy got what was due to him?)

Guns as the first response? A good punch in the guts would have done it.

I'm 5'11, and if I tried punching Tanner Cook in the guts, he would almost certainly laugh at me. Colie is probably 2 or 3 inches shorter than me, at least.

I'm not saying that shooting was the right thing to do, but there are many of us for whom punching things isn't really an option, especially when the prospective target is a large man.

Tannin · October 2023

fretmeister said:

What the fuck is wrong with Americans (and indeed anyone in this thread saying the guy got what was due to him?)

Guns as the first response? A good punch in the guts would have done it.

When there are two of them? When one of them is acting aggressive and standing over you and he's younger and big enough to tear you limb from limb with his bare hands? When he won't take no for an answer? When you have already backed away three times? (Hint: watch the video.)

In a country where guns are 100% legal and using them to defend yourself is 100% legal, it is not unreasonable to argue that the shooter was acting sensibly and according to the law. And in fact, that is exactly what the jury did: said he was guilty of a fairly minor act of firearm carelessness and NOT GUILTY of the shooting as it was self defence.

Do the yanks have stupid gun laws? Sure they do. But after a fair trial, he was found NOT GUILTY by a jury of his peers.

Personally, I'd like to have seen the selfish bastard get what he deserved, which is a good humiliating thrashing he will remember and actually learn something from instead of just a minor wound which doesn't seem to have taught him anything at all. Unfortunately, the coward took care to harass someone much smaller and weaker than himself.

Was the shooting justified? Not in my book. Just the same, the arsehole deserved everything he got. Pity he didn't get something he could learn from.

Tannin · October 2023

fretmeister said:

Guns as the first response?

Again, watch the video. It wasn't the FIRST response.

1: he walks away
2: he is pinned against the counter where it us awkward to escape
3: he backs off
4: he says "no"
5: he backs away faster
6: he defends himself against the phone shoved in his face
7: he says "stop"
8: he tries to escape
9: he says "STOP!"
10:the arsehole still keeps on coming and, finally, the victim shootsl

Could he have threatened rather than shot? Maybe. Hard to be sure that would have worked. Especially given how much bigger and faster the young arsehole is, and how close he was.

DannyP · October 2023

.Tannin said:

Could he have threatened rather than shot?

But he would rather have shot than threatened.

I'm willing to bet that a good proportion of males that apply for and get a concealed carry permit (in states where you even need one) spend a good deal of time thinking about using that gun.

I’m speculating, but I imagine that carrying a weapon must stimulate the carrier to mentally run through scenarios where it might be used.

I think it’s normal for people to imagine what they might unleash on another, physically, verbally, whatever, should circumstances dictate it. A bit of justified aggression can be a pleasurable daydream.

So allowing people to carry guns around condemns the poor blighters to a violent inner life of immature fantasy.

Plus you get instances like this where the carrier uses it at the first legally justifiable opportunity because… - well why else does he carry the damn thing around?

RaymondLin · October 2023

In our standard this side of the pond, he cannot shoot someone. In the UK he would have been charged with a lot more and be found guilty. The reaction was not proportional to the "attack".

In America...both legally and morally, he was in the right to defend himself. Different country, different standard. He had a permit to carry and he was found Not Guilty. So whilst my own morals and education would say he should not have fired, but there is a part of me that thinks the prankster got what was coming considering where he is.

I do not feel bad for the prankster being shot...had he been killed my tune might have changed but as it stands, I don't feel bad for feeling this way.

In the back of my mind, there is this lingering thought of the Thin Skull Rule, or the Egg Shell rule in the states, where you cannot go around hitting someone in the head no matter how lightly because you never know who has a "thin skull", I know this probably isn't applicable in this scenario but the logic in that "you just never know who is going to snap", apply.

We can't apply our own European laws and morals to Americans but the standard there is different, so I have to look through that lens when analysing this.

Tannin · October 2023

@DannyP I don't disagree with any of that.

Keiko · October 2023

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Sassafras · October 2023

I find it strange that the shooter was and still is in custody.
Normally in these shooting cases they're bailed on the same day.
What's going on with this guy that he's still in custody despite being judged not guilty on the most serious charge?

Sassafras · October 2023

Frankly, I'd shoot all these unfunny, bratty pranksters.
In fact, I'd go further, I'd shoot all their brain dead followers.
Maybe not fatally but enough to cause them excruciating pain, the wankers.

Offset · October 2023

p90fool said:

He's a big guy and a cocky cunt in country full of armed people. I'm not advocating his death, but he shouldn't be remotely surprised.

I think the term 'cocky cunt' sums this arsehole up perfectly.

DuploLicks · October 2023

Offset said:

p90fool said:

He's a big guy and a cocky cunt in country full of armed people. I'm not advocating his death, but he shouldn't be remotely surprised.

I think the term 'cocky cunt' sums this arsehole up perfectly.

And let’s not forget the ’prankster’ also had an accomplice who was also squaring up to the accused as well as the camera man

ftumch · October 2023

Youtube prankster shot

Good. Assholes.

Kittyfrisk · October 2023

DuploLicks said:

Offset said:

p90fool said:

He's a big guy and a cocky cunt in country full of armed people. I'm not advocating his death, but he shouldn't be remotely surprised.

I think the term 'cocky cunt' sums this arsehole up perfectly.

And let’s not forget the ’prankster’ also had an accomplice who was also squaring up to the accused as well as the camera man

Not to mention the third shooter on the grassy mall..

TeleMaster · October 2023

Sassafras said:

Frankly, I'd shoot all these unfunny, bratty pranksters.
In fact, I'd go further, I'd shoot all their brain dead followers.
Maybe not fatally but enough to cause them excruciating pain, the wankers.

I better go to YouTube and check who I'm still subscribed too from 15 years ago...

TeleMaster · October 2023

My view is it was disproportionate, obviously. They were harassing him yes but they weren't attacking him and there's nothing to suggest they would've. He had a gun and knew that this was an option if actually running away didn't help but he took a very final option without really trying to get away. Life has always been considered cheap in certain parts of the States so it's not surprising that someone would react like this.

But this is hindsight, and the guy felt suitably harassed enough to shoot the idiot. Who knows what his history is, whether he was bullied relentlessly, whether he has severe mental health issues, whether his friends and coworkers are attacked constantly while at work. Maybe he thought he saw a weapon.

The law says (here at least) reasonable force is what you felt was reasonable at the time, although this does in fact need to be reasonable. But who can decide that at the time, or know what damage is going to be caused by reasonable force? To him that may have been reasonable in that moment when he assessed the situation.

Bottom line, he fucked around and found out. Leave people alone, don't harass someone who looks like he's tired of life and your chances of getting shot go down drastically.

merlin · October 2023

Talk first, shoot later.

I'm sure pulling out the handgun and saying "Get the fuck away from me", would have been a better thing to do.
I'm pretty sure that the little prankster, the second little prankster and the camera person would have shat their keks and headed for the hills......or maybe the Burger King.

AK99 · October 2023

p90fool said:

I'd say that "prank" carried out by two young men hassling a much smaller stranger must have felt pretty scary. I'm getting older, have had various health issues and currently am blind in one eye awaiting yet another operation and as someone who's 6'3" and always been capable of looking after myself have started to get an inkling of what it's like to feel vulnerable around strangers sometimes.

I wouldn't be surprised if the demeanor of the prankster while stood next to his mother is his general behaviour that that may have had a bearing on the outcome too.

He's a big guy and a cocky cunt in country full of armed people. I'm not advocating his death, but he shouldn't be remotely surprised.

Yeah - have to say when I watched the video, I can see why the little guy felt threatened. Two guys approaching him, the big 6'5" one pushing right into his space within swinging/head-butting distance and holding a possibly metal-cased phone less than a foot away from his head - plus a third filming the whole lot. In his shoes I'd have been pretty certain I was in for a beating.

I'm not entirely adverse to a bit of a ruck now and again btw - getting into about a couple of dozen tussles a week at the local judo club kinda helps on that front - but two / three menacing characters coming on to you like that, and one of them about 4 weight categories bigger.. ? I'd have been looking for help, or the door post haste - and the little guy didn't look much of a runner either.

Given it was 'Merica, and there is a culture around right to bear arms, defend yourself - I'm not all surprised he pulled and fired the gun, and equally not surprised (nor indeed greatly troubled by) the fact that the jury took a lenient view.

VimFuego · October 2023

I probably fall into the "he didn't deserve to get shot but it should not surprise him if someone he's pranking does turn round and do something he doesn't like" category. This whole pranking thing is beyond disgusting to my mind. There's need to be a real clampdown on people who do it, preferably with punishments that are harsh, unusual and humiliating, and carried out in public and shown, for free, on youtube etc.

munckee · October 2023

Sassafras said:

Frankly, I'd shoot all these unfunny, bratty pranksters.
In fact, I'd go further, I'd shoot all their brain dead followers.
Maybe not fatally but enough to cause them excruciating pain, the wankers.

In fact America should bring in a law making it illegal not to shoot pranksters who harass you.

RaymondLin · October 2023

merlin said:

Talk first, shoot later.

I'm sure pulling out the handgun and saying "Get the fuck away from me", would have been a better thing to do.
I'm prettu sure that the little prankster, the second little prankster and the camera person would have shat their keks and headed for the hills......or maybe the Burger King.

They could run, or they would go "ooooooh gun! this is great content! You are not going to shoot, what are you going to do with that?" and then entice him some more. There were 3 of them after all.

I am sure one of the sayings they have is that if you are not prepared to pull the trigger, don't pull out the gun. The guy just skipped a couple of steps in between and went straight from pulling it out and shooting. Shoot first, apologise later is the name of the game here.

Kittyfrisk · October 2023

Personally, I don't think 'pranks & pranksters' are really appropriate terms to describe what took place in the shooting episode & other such events that have been mentioned here.
The people perpetrating such behaviors are just spoilt, mean spirited, nasty selfish cunts, videoing the victims of their bullying for 'lolz', 'shits & giggles' & likes from other like minded moronic twats.

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