Gibson Les Paul Standard - New Custom Colours

roberty · August 2023

BigPaulie said:

roberty said:

The height of the stopbar doesn't say whether it's a good guitar or not

You're quite right. Have a "wiz" on me. I didn't claim that the height of the tailpiece said anything about the quality of the guitar one way or t'other.

Could have been a bit more clear, sorry. Typing on my phone

I've played and owned dogs with "perfect" bridge geometry. It's not a good way to choose a guitar

ICBM · August 2023

BigPaulie said:

Some CS guitars I've seen have beautifully carved tops with a lovely deep recurve.

It's a feature almost non-existent on most of the modern non-CS Les Pauls I've seen.

You'd think it would be and easy thing to get right with modern CNC machining.

… like every PRS.

roberty · August 2023

ICBM said:

roberty said:

The height of the stopbar doesn't say whether it's a good guitar or not

No, not by itself - but the height of the bridge does, in my opinion/experience. This then has a bearing on the minimum height of the stopbar.

roberty said:

Jimmy Page #1

Perfect example. Listen to the Albert Hall recordings and you can hear it’s just not that good a guitar - the Custom sounds far better.

Joe Walsh didn’t even like it for slide!

Lol well the neck had been shaved too

BigPaulie · August 2023

ICBM said:

roberty said:

The height of the stopbar doesn't say whether it's a good guitar or not

No, not by itself - but the height of the bridge does, in my opinion/experience. This then has a bearing on the minimum height of the stopbar.

roberty said:

Jimmy Page #1

Perfect example. Listen to the Albert Hall recordings and you can hear it’s just not that good a guitar - the Custom sounds far better.

Joe Walsh didn’t even like it for slide!

Gibson QC, eh?

Alterlifeson · August 2023

Anyone noticed that the majority of colours are only available directly from Gibson? Peach, Andertons and GAK have some of the colours but not all.

Sign of things to come once the new UK Gibson Garage opens?

crunchman · August 2023

BigPaulie said:

roberty said:

BigPaulie said:

tomajoha said:

roberty said:

stickyfiddle said:

Put me down for a blacktop. I've wanted one for at least a decade. I'd still rather an R8 version but I'm very glad this is an option

£300 more gets you a custom Heritage at the moment https://www.andertons.co.uk/heritage-custom-shop-core-collection-h-150-electric-guitar-in-ebony-phrt-011107127-snt-1

Just saying...

It’s a shame all those Heritages seem to have overly flat neck angles, the stoptails appear well jacked up

Isn't it an over steep neck angle that would require a tailpiece to be raised?

The carve will affect the geometry as well

I haven't noticed a correlation between stoptail height and anyhthing else to do with the guitar tbh. I've owned a dozen or more carve top LP types

It's all related isn't it?

The carve of the top is precisely why the neck must join the body at an angle in order to have sufficient clearance between the top of the guitar and the strings while maintaining a manageable playing action.

If the neck angle is sufficiently steep it requires the bridge to be raised creating a tighter break angle over the saddles which can lead to the strings hitting the back of the bridge as they travel to the tailpiece, in turn requiring the tailpiece to be raised instead of being "decked".

In extreme cases, the bridge has to be raised so high on the posts that it starts to tilt under string tension. I had that on a 2010 CS R8.

timmypix · August 2023

Alterlifeson said:

Anyone noticed that the majority of colours are only available directly from Gibson? Peach, Andertons and GAK have some of the colours but not all.

Sign of things to come once the new UK Gibson Garage opens?

I suspect an element of that is no dealer can be expected to stock all 12 colours across both 50s and 60s on top of the standard 3 finishes a piece. Also it allows dealers some exclusivity, the same way different Fender dealers get different FSRs. GAK can be sure that if someone wants one of their allocated colours, they've got to go to them.

p90fool · August 2023

crunchman said:

BigPaulie said:

roberty said:

BigPaulie said:

tomajoha said:

roberty said:

stickyfiddle said:

Put me down for a blacktop. I've wanted one for at least a decade. I'd still rather an R8 version but I'm very glad this is an option

£300 more gets you a custom Heritage at the moment https://www.andertons.co.uk/heritage-custom-shop-core-collection-h-150-electric-guitar-in-ebony-phrt-011107127-snt-1

Just saying...

It’s a shame all those Heritages seem to have overly flat neck angles, the stoptails appear well jacked up

Isn't it an over steep neck angle that would require a tailpiece to be raised?

The carve will affect the geometry as well

I haven't noticed a correlation between stoptail height and anyhthing else to do with the guitar tbh. I've owned a dozen or more carve top LP types

It's all related isn't it?

The carve of the top is precisely why the neck must join the body at an angle in order to have sufficient clearance between the top of the guitar and the strings while maintaining a manageable playing action.

If the neck angle is sufficiently steep it requires the bridge to be raised creating a tighter break angle over the saddles which can lead to the strings hitting the back of the bridge as they travel to the tailpiece, in turn requiring the tailpiece to be raised instead of being "decked".

In extreme cases, the bridge has to be raised so high on the posts that it starts to tilt under string tension. I had that on a 2010 CS R8.

They fixed that with the Nashville bridge though.

tony99 · August 2023

Not long before a new LP standard is £3000

these are £2899 at Peach

ICBM · August 2023

crunchman said:

In extreme cases, the bridge has to be raised so high on the posts that it starts to tilt under string tension. I had that on a 2010 CS R8.

That’s why Page’s has the second pair of height wheels tight down against the body.

GoldenEraGuitars · August 2023

tony99 said:

Not long before a new LP standard is £3000

these are £2899 at Peach

Definitely heading that way. I wonder, at what point, people stop paying retail for these things… then what?

roberty · August 2023

Heritage has low bridge + high tailpiece for anyone curious or worried

Looks like you could top wrap and the break angle would be the same. Possibly a design choice

Philly_Q · August 2023

^^ It's very hard to tell with all the reflections, but on that Heritage it looks (to me) like the strings aren't that close to touching the back of the bridge, so you could set the tailpiece somewhat lower. They may set it high to (slightly) reduce perceived string tension.

Normally you'd expect low bridge + low tailpiece or high bridge + high tailpiece, that's just how it works.

But yes, you could lower the tailpiece, top wrap and achieve much the same break angle.

Offset · August 2023

GoldenEraGuitars said:

tony99 said:

Not long before a new LP standard is £3000

these are £2899 at Peach

Definitely heading that way. I wonder, at what point, people stop paying retail for these things… then what?

I'll never start!!!

RobG3294 · August 2023

ICBM said:

crunchman said:

In extreme cases, the bridge has to be raised so high on the posts that it starts to tilt under string tension. I had that on a 2010 CS R8.

That’s why Page’s has the second pair of height wheels tight down against the body.

What Mr Page gets up to in his spare time, is none of our business

BigPaulie · August 2023

RobG3294 said:

ICBM said:

crunchman said:

In extreme cases, the bridge has to be raised so high on the posts that it starts to tilt under string tension. I had that on a 2010 CS R8.

That’s why Page’s has the second pair of height wheels tight down against the body.

What Mr Page gets up to in his spare time, is none of our business

If the height wheels are under age, I think it's in the public interest.

chrisj1602 · September 2023

Anyway… Custom Colours on Les Paul Standards.

Alterlifeson · September 2023

Trogly has purchased and unboxed every variation. A good reference for the actual colours compared to Gibsons pictures. Inverness Green looks much too blue to me. I agree with him on the red though. Not a fan of red LPs but there is something muscle-car esq. about that one.

Musicman20 · September 2023

Alterlifeson said:

Trogly has purchased and unboxed every variation. A good reference for the actual colours compared to Gibsons pictures. Inverness Green looks much too blue to me. I agree with him on the red though. Not a fan of red LPs but there is something muscle-car esq. about that one.

That guy is absolutely bizarre.

duotone · September 2023

Alterlifeson said:

Trogly has purchased and unboxed every variation. A good reference for the actual colours compared to Gibsons pictures. Inverness Green looks much too blue to me. I agree with him on the red though. Not a fan of red LPs but there is something muscle-car esq. about that one.

Poor Gibson QC again on the Cardinal Red @ 9:15mins “I wonder if this one didn’t get quite sanded down as much”.

stickyfiddle · September 2023

Inverness Green is a really intense colour. I played a couple of CS SGs in that colour in Seattle. Great guitars and I'd have considered buying one if they'd be cherry or pelham, but the green is too much

chrisj1602 · September 2023

duotone said:

Alterlifeson said:

Trogly has purchased and unboxed every variation. A good reference for the actual colours compared to Gibsons pictures. Inverness Green looks much too blue to me. I agree with him on the red though. Not a fan of red LPs but there is something muscle-car esq. about that one.

Poor Gibson QC again on the Cardinal Red @ 9:15mins “I wonder if this one didn’t get quite sanded down as much”.

He said straight away that is fine when you’re holding it.

roberty · September 2023

Incessantly cheerful 10 minute advert for the new colours. Looks like a nice facility though obviously the view is highly sanitised

https://youtu.be/XT1h08WRZ6U?si=9J07U8RUwnEtPi2g

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