Gibson Les Paul Standard - New Custom Colours

RandallFlagg · August 2023

I like the ebony top Std, like Justin Hawkins original "black shuck" std before he switched to LP Customs. If only you could get them at 8 1/2 lbs rather than closer to 10lbs

nacnudnai · August 2023

GoldenEraGuitars said:

So, it’s about £200 extra to get the top sprayed at the factory with £5 worth of paint and thinner AND it takes less time to shoot than a burst?

Printing money..

As much as Gibson's image has suffered over the last few years, I'd much rather them stay in business by printing money than disappear altogether.

GoldenEraGuitars · August 2023

nacnudnai said:

GoldenEraGuitars said:

So, it’s about £200 extra to get the top sprayed at the factory with £5 worth of paint and thinner AND it takes less time to shoot than a burst?

Printing money..

As much as Gibson's image has suffered over the last few years, I'd much rather them stay in business by printing money than disappear altogether.

I’ll take “answers to statements I didn’t make” for 5 points please Bob.

GoldenEraGuitars · August 2023

stickyfiddle said:

GoldenEraGuitars said:

So, it’s about £200 extra to get the top sprayed at the factory with £5 worth of paint and thinner AND it takes less time to shoot than a burst?

Printing money..

What will be interesting is to see how quickly these sell. I'm guessing the blacktop, red and pelham blue ones will sell easily and we'll see the Inverness green, fuchsia and blue burst ones stuck at dealers and blown out at 40% off in a year.

Certain colours will be quite popular I suspect. Although that blueberry burst does nothing for me at all. Black and Pelham blue will do very well I reckon

nacnudnai · August 2023

GoldenEraGuitars said:

nacnudnai said:

GoldenEraGuitars said:

So, it’s about £200 extra to get the top sprayed at the factory with £5 worth of paint and thinner AND it takes less time to shoot than a burst?

Printing money..

As much as Gibson's image has suffered over the last few years, I'd much rather them stay in business by printing money than disappear altogether.

I’ll take “answers to statements I didn’t make” for 5 points please Bob.

I don't think I said you made a statement, or even disagreed/agreed with you. I expressed a personal opinion based off of what you said is all.

citesquestion · August 2023

A lot of the cool "new" colours were first tried in the hated 2015 anniversaries, just sayin'

chrisj1602 · August 2023

I like the plain tops, the figured amber and cherry are nice too, but nothing new. I still think I’d rather pay the extra for a used R7 or R8 though.

nacnudnai · August 2023

citesquestion said:

A lot of the cool "new" colours were first tried in the hated 2015 anniversaries, just sayin'

Ah, 2015 - Gibson's "got drunk, did a bunch of mental stuff, passed out, woke up in 2019 and thought it was all a dream until all my mates reminded me I actually did it" phase.

timmypix · August 2023

nacnudnai said:

citesquestion said:

A lot of the cool "new" colours were first tried in the hated 2015 anniversaries, just sayin'

Ah, 2015 - Gibson's "got drunk, did a bunch of mental stuff, passed out, woke up in 2019 and thought it was all a dream until all my mates reminded me I actually did it" phase.

You apologise to my 2017 Classic right now.

BigPaulie · August 2023

I wish they'd not bothered with these colours and developed a standard Les Paul with a proper top carve.

Can't remember the last time I saw a deep recurve on any new non-CS Gibson.

stickyfiddle · August 2023

BigPaulie said:

I wish they'd not bothered with these colours and developed a standard Les Paul with a proper top carve.

Can't remember the last time I saw a deep recurve on any new non-CS Gibson.

Why would they do that and give people a reason not to buy CS ones?

fretmeister · August 2023

I still miss my 1995/6 Studio in Wine Red.

That was a really easy to play guitar.

nacnudnai · August 2023

timmypix said:

nacnudnai said:

citesquestion said:

A lot of the cool "new" colours were first tried in the hated 2015 anniversaries, just sayin'

Ah, 2015 - Gibson's "got drunk, did a bunch of mental stuff, passed out, woke up in 2019 and thought it was all a dream until all my mates reminded me I actually did it" phase.

You apologise to my 2017 Classic right now.

I've seen inside that control cavity - I have absolutely no reason to apologise.

roberty · August 2023

tomajoha said:

roberty said:

stickyfiddle said:

Put me down for a blacktop. I've wanted one for at least a decade. I'd still rather an R8 version but I'm very glad this is an option

£300 more gets you a custom Heritage at the moment https://www.andertons.co.uk/heritage-custom-shop-core-collection-h-150-electric-guitar-in-ebony-phrt-011107127-snt-1

Just saying...

It’s a shame all those Heritages seem to have overly flat neck angles, the stoptails appear well jacked up

I would play one before judging them. They are exceptional

BigPaulie · August 2023

tomajoha said:

roberty said:

stickyfiddle said:

Put me down for a blacktop. I've wanted one for at least a decade. I'd still rather an R8 version but I'm very glad this is an option

£300 more gets you a custom Heritage at the moment https://www.andertons.co.uk/heritage-custom-shop-core-collection-h-150-electric-guitar-in-ebony-phrt-011107127-snt-1

Just saying...

It’s a shame all those Heritages seem to have overly flat neck angles, the stoptails appear well jacked up

Isn't it an over steep neck angle that would require a tailpiece to be raised?

roberty · August 2023

BigPaulie said:

tomajoha said:

roberty said:

stickyfiddle said:

Put me down for a blacktop. I've wanted one for at least a decade. I'd still rather an R8 version but I'm very glad this is an option

£300 more gets you a custom Heritage at the moment https://www.andertons.co.uk/heritage-custom-shop-core-collection-h-150-electric-guitar-in-ebony-phrt-011107127-snt-1

Just saying...

It’s a shame all those Heritages seem to have overly flat neck angles, the stoptails appear well jacked up

Isn't it an over steep neck angle that would require a tailpiece to be raised?

The carve will affect the geometry as well

I haven't noticed a correlation between stoptail height and anyhthing else to do with the guitar tbh. I've owned a dozen or more carve top LP types

elstoof · August 2023

citesquestion said:

A lot of the cool "new" colours were first tried in the hated 2015 anniversaries, just sayin'

perhaps there’s a lot of 8 year old paint tins nearing their expiry date at Gibson hq

p90fool · August 2023

stickyfiddle said:

Put me down for a blacktop. I've wanted one for at least a decade. I'd still rather an R8 version but I'm very glad this is an option

Yeah, the next refin of my LP will be as a blacktop, I've always loved that look.

CavemanGrogg · August 2023

This has been done by Gibson before, the blueberry burst, Invernese green, white, pelham blue ebony and oxblood, are colours that immediately spring to mind - I even believe that the blueberry burst colour has been available since the Les Paul was available in a green burst though the colour obviously wasn't called green burst as far back as 2015 I believe.

roberty · August 2023

elstoof said:

citesquestion said:

A lot of the cool "new" colours were first tried in the hated 2015 anniversaries, just sayin'

perhaps there’s a lot of 8 year old paint tins nearing their expiry date at Gibson hq

Gibson went a bit crazy and people wanted just the basics. I think now they've been doing just the basics for a few years there's an appetite for crazy stuff again

edit: crazy = slightly different but still quite ordinary colours

BigPaulie · August 2023

roberty said:

BigPaulie said:

tomajoha said:

roberty said:

stickyfiddle said:

Put me down for a blacktop. I've wanted one for at least a decade. I'd still rather an R8 version but I'm very glad this is an option

£300 more gets you a custom Heritage at the moment https://www.andertons.co.uk/heritage-custom-shop-core-collection-h-150-electric-guitar-in-ebony-phrt-011107127-snt-1

Just saying...

It’s a shame all those Heritages seem to have overly flat neck angles, the stoptails appear well jacked up

Isn't it an over steep neck angle that would require a tailpiece to be raised?

The carve will affect the geometry as well

I haven't noticed a correlation between stoptail height and anyhthing else to do with the guitar tbh. I've owned a dozen or more carve top LP types

It's all related isn't it?

The carve of the top is precisely why the neck must join the body at an angle in order to have sufficient clearance between the top of the guitar and the strings while maintaining a manageable playing action.

If the neck angle is sufficiently steep it requires the bridge to be raised creating a tighter break angle over the saddles which can lead to the strings hitting the back of the bridge as they travel to the tailpiece, in turn requiring the tailpiece to be raised instead of being "decked".

tomajoha · August 2023

BigPaulie said:

tomajoha said:

roberty said:

stickyfiddle said:

Put me down for a blacktop. I've wanted one for at least a decade. I'd still rather an R8 version but I'm very glad this is an option

£300 more gets you a custom Heritage at the moment https://www.andertons.co.uk/heritage-custom-shop-core-collection-h-150-electric-guitar-in-ebony-phrt-011107127-snt-1

Just saying...

It’s a shame all those Heritages seem to have overly flat neck angles, the stoptails appear well jacked up

Isn't it an over steep neck angle that would require a tailpiece to be raised?

Yes apologies got my steep/flat the wrong way round

RaymondLin · August 2023

I have never had a regular modern Gibson and a CS Les Paul side by side, is the top carve that big a difference?

ICBM · August 2023

The only ones I don’t like are the amber - although it would be OK if it was more yellow - and the white, which is awful. And the blue burst, but largely because it looks too much like an Epiphone.

roberty · August 2023

BigPaulie said:

roberty said:

BigPaulie said:

tomajoha said:

roberty said:

stickyfiddle said:

Put me down for a blacktop. I've wanted one for at least a decade. I'd still rather an R8 version but I'm very glad this is an option

£300 more gets you a custom Heritage at the moment https://www.andertons.co.uk/heritage-custom-shop-core-collection-h-150-electric-guitar-in-ebony-phrt-011107127-snt-1

Just saying...

It’s a shame all those Heritages seem to have overly flat neck angles, the stoptails appear well jacked up

Isn't it an over steep neck angle that would require a tailpiece to be raised?

The carve will affect the geometry as well

I haven't noticed a correlation between stoptail height and anyhthing else to do with the guitar tbh. I've owned a dozen or more carve top LP types

It's all related isn't it?

The carve of the top is precisely why the neck must join the body at an angle in order to have sufficient clearance between the top of the guitar and the strings while maintaining a manageable playing action.

If the neck angle is sufficiently steep it requires the bridge to be raised creating a tighter break angle over the saddles which can lead to the strings hitting the back of the bridge as they travel to the tailpiece, in turn requiring the tailpiece to be raised instead of being "decked".

The height of the stopbar doesn't say whether it's a good guitar or not

roberty · August 2023

Jimmy Page #1

DrJazzTap · August 2023

I like the inverness green. Not £2600 like it but still that and the Pelham blue are the nicest imho

BigPaulie · August 2023

roberty said:

BigPaulie said:

roberty said:

BigPaulie said:

tomajoha said:

roberty said:

stickyfiddle said:

Put me down for a blacktop. I've wanted one for at least a decade. I'd still rather an R8 version but I'm very glad this is an option

£300 more gets you a custom Heritage at the moment https://www.andertons.co.uk/heritage-custom-shop-core-collection-h-150-electric-guitar-in-ebony-phrt-011107127-snt-1

Just saying...

It’s a shame all those Heritages seem to have overly flat neck angles, the stoptails appear well jacked up

Isn't it an over steep neck angle that would require a tailpiece to be raised?

The carve will affect the geometry as well

I haven't noticed a correlation between stoptail height and anyhthing else to do with the guitar tbh. I've owned a dozen or more carve top LP types

It's all related isn't it?

The carve of the top is precisely why the neck must join the body at an angle in order to have sufficient clearance between the top of the guitar and the strings while maintaining a manageable playing action.

If the neck angle is sufficiently steep it requires the bridge to be raised creating a tighter break angle over the saddles which can lead to the strings hitting the back of the bridge as they travel to the tailpiece, in turn requiring the tailpiece to be raised instead of being "decked".

The height of the stopbar doesn't say whether it's a good guitar or not

You're quite right. Have a "wiz" on me. I didn't claim that the height of the tailpiece said anything about the quality of the guitar one way or t'other.

ICBM · August 2023

roberty said:

The height of the stopbar doesn't say whether it's a good guitar or not

No, not by itself - but the height of the bridge does, in my opinion/experience. This then has a bearing on the minimum height of the stopbar.

roberty said:

Jimmy Page #1

Perfect example. Listen to the Albert Hall recordings and you can hear it’s just not that good a guitar - the Custom sounds far better.

Joe Walsh didn’t even like it for slide!

BigPaulie · August 2023

RaymondLin said:

I have never had a regular modern Gibson and a CS Les Paul side by side, is the top carve that big a difference?

Some CS guitars I've seen have beautifully carved tops with a lovely deep recurve.

It's a feature almost non-existent on most of the modern non-CS Les Pauls I've seen.

You'd think it would be and easy thing to get right with modern CNC machining.

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