Kdh Is back

MartinBush · August 2023

What is KDH's real name and why is it not easy to find out? Why does Lee Anderton type '&' instead of 'and'. Why does KDH not spell check his own text?

Having watched most of the video, I like the bit best where Lee Anderson says "The guys at Victory who are at least British"...

TeleMaster · August 2023

MartinBush said:

What is KDH's real name and why is it not easy to find out? Why does Lee Anderton type '&' instead of 'and'. Why does KDH not spell check his own text?

Having watched most of the video, I like the bit best where Lee Anderson says "The guys at Victory who are at least British"...

Creed_Clicks · August 2023

MartinBush said:

What is KDH's real name and why is it not easy to find out?

It is fairly easy to find out. Kelan Hughes

Sporky · August 2023

The D is delitescent.

MartinBush · August 2023

TeleMaster said:

MartinBush said:

What is KDH's real name and why is it not easy to find out? Why does Lee Anderton type '&' instead of 'and'. Why does KDH not spell check his own text?

Having watched most of the video, I like the bit best where Lee Anderson says "The guys at Victory who are at least British"...

I am leaving that as it is until I do my video calling out Hughes, Anderton and Anderson. And me.

Bush is not my surname either. But why is that?

TeleMaster · August 2023

MartinBush said:

TeleMaster said:

MartinBush said:

What is KDH's real name and why is it not easy to find out? Why does Lee Anderton type '&' instead of 'and'. Why does KDH not spell check his own text?

Having watched most of the video, I like the bit best where Lee Anderson says "The guys at Victory who are at least British"...

I am leaving that as it is until I do my video calling out Hughes, Anderton and Anderson. And me.

Bush is not my surname either. But why is that?

You have an elaborate plan to discredit the former US president by means of forum post?

MartinBush · August 2023

@TeleMaster ;
It's a plan to discredit them both along with, and I found this out by looking at Companies House, the band from which they took their name.

hollywoodrox · August 2023

MartinBush said:

TeleMaster said:

MartinBush said:

What is KDH's real name and why is it not easy to find out? Why does Lee Anderton type '&' instead of 'and'. Why does KDH not spell check his own text?

Having watched most of the video, I like the bit best where Lee Anderson says "The guys at Victory who are at least British"...

I am leaving that as it is until I do my video calling out Hughes, Anderton and Anderson. And me.

Bush is not my surname either. But why is that?

Sounds like a prog supergroup Hughes , Anderton Anderson Wakeman and Howe

Fortheloveofguitar · August 2023

KDH should stick to boxing. Looking forward to him smashing up Tommy Fury in a few weeks time.

darthed1981 · August 2023

For some reason KDH reminds me of a police officer who gives you a ticket for doing 31 (OK, I know nobody has ever got a ticket for doing 31, but you get what I mean).

Alex2678 · August 2023

I think people seem to be falling on one side or the other depending on whether they think the Andertons videos should be neutral or not

flying_pie · August 2023

darthed1981 said:

For some reason KDH reminds me of a police officer who gives you a ticket for doing 31 (OK, I know nobody has ever got a ticket for doing 31, but you get what I mean).

More like a community safety officer trying to perform a citizens arrest for littering when you accidentally dropped a crisp packet

DrBob · August 2023

So can anyone confirm whether Kelan is right in his assertion that Lee Anderton is breaking some Advertising Standards code or law by not declaring his interest in Victory amps ?

DrBob · August 2023

MartinBush said:

Having watched most of the video, I like the bit best where Lee Anderson says "The guys at Victory who are at least British"...

That "Awkward Uncle' moment !

nacnudnai · August 2023

DrBob said:

So can anyone confirm whether Kelan is right in his assertion that Lee Anderton is breaking some Advertising Standards code or law by not declaring his interest in Victory amps ?

I don't work directly in this "field", but somewhat close to it and I have knowledge in online infringement issues, copyright, etc.

It would be helpful if KDH actually spelled out what laws/codes he thinks are broken here. Personally, I don't see a legal issue with Lee owning a brand and selling it his shop - declared or undeclared. Shops like ASDA, Argos, other companies beginning with an A, etc, own a bunch of smaller brands that they don't openly state as owned by them. I've had KDH's video on in the background, so maybe I missed it, but I'm not sure if he pointed this out as completely okay and not the issue.

Where Lee does actually potentially fall foul of the law is under the CAP code - a part of consumer protection law which would fall under the Competition and Markets Authority and Trading Standards. This is purely based on his presence on social media (which would include YouTube) - with the key issue being "non-broadcast advertising". The irony of Lee's signature Chapman Guitar being the CAP10, and Lee now potentially breaching the CAP code, is not lost on me.

The CAP code directly relates to non-broadcast advertisements among other things, with a particular slant on influencers or other online personalities. It lists a bunch of stuff that it applies to, including this: advertorials. This is broadly defined as an advertisement that is written or produced to look like editorial content...rather than an advert...hence the portmanteau. These are absolutely fine as a concept - not remotely illegal - but when it is done online by an influencer/online personality on social media, the law states any financial connection must be clearly declared.

The CAP code gives its own definition, which I think actually confuses this situation a bit lol. An advertorial is an advertisement feature, announcement or promotion, the content of which is controlled by the marketer, not the publisher, that is disseminated in exchange for a payment or other reciprocal arrangement. How this definition strictly applies probably hinges on whether Lee would be considered the publisher - or whether Andertons the store is the publisher - of the YouTube content. Just because he owns the shop, doesn't mean he is necessarily the publisher. In this situation, as he is a partner of Victory Amplifiers, I would say he qualifies as the marketer.

Note that the definition from the CAP code states: "advertisement feature, announcement or promotion". Even if Andertons' videos are not openly advertising Victory Amps, they do announce new models, and do "promote" them - under most interpretations of promote.

To get to the main point, because Lee has never openly declared this in any of the videos (or social media posts, to my knowledge) and would easily qualify as an influencer, there is a chance he has breached the CAP code. For those who still find the term influencer to be completely mystifying and pointless, in this context the ASA actually define it for us (thanks ASA): any human, animal or virtually produced persona that is active on any online social media platform, such as Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, Twitch, YouTube, and others.

There are many cases of this happening, and most of them happen accidentally (as it is a civil law matter, there isn't really much requirement if any for motive). At 21:48, KDH posts a screenshot of a gov.uk page which highlights the Molly Mae Hague matter, which is very similar in its bare facts to the Andertons case. There are countless others.

Whether anything will happen to Lee - probably not. I'm not sure of the penalty for this breach of the code, maybe a £1000 summary judgement or something, and a lesson learned.

Apologies for the essay, I've tried to keep it all relevant!

My view: Lee didn't do anything intentionally nefarious and probably was not aware of these laws actually applying to him. KDH hasn't said anything incorrect or defamatory, and is free to post the content he wants as long as it remains correct and does not defame.

Musicman20 · August 2023

When are we going to see a video ABOUT KDH and a criticism about him and his dreadful band?

MartinBush · August 2023

He has a band? Tell me more...

imalrightjack · August 2023

Jetfire said:

Is KDH a modern day Roger Cook?

More Roger C**t.

imalrightjack · August 2023

MartinBush said:

He has a band? Tell me more...

Not my thing...basically opens with a not really a cover but might as well be Skid Row tune:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NjS6efPDw4&list=RDEMrDGaTpMvhVaszh61XgTETw&start_radio=1

Musicman20 · August 2023

MartinBush said:

He has a band? Tell me more...

Just 80s pop rock / hair rock....it's quite cringey.

TeleMaster · August 2023

Musicman20 said:

MartinBush said:

He has a band? Tell me more...

Just 80s pop rock / hair rock....it's quite cringey.

It think it's meant to be a tongue in cheek throwback, like the Darkness but more Motley Crue than Queen etc.

GoldenEraGuitars · August 2023

Musicman20 said:

When are we going to see a video ABOUT KDH and a criticism about him and his dreadful band?

Not interesting enough

TTBZ · August 2023

theatreanchor · August 2023

Well, I didn’t care about any of this, and then I saw the Captain’s video response, and perhaps there was a point to whatever this kid was trying to do.

Seems that six months ago they were claiming Victory Amps were the ‘perfect’ amps! I mean, he really should have stated he had some involvement in Victory. It’s not like the amps are any good either!

https://youtu.be/9Pev82sEScs?si=S0jqx4D0kb4Xtt8w

springhead · August 2023

He has involvement in all his amps - he’s a shop trying to sell them. He’s not an independent reviewer. Maybe a.n.other guitar shop will favour a particular brand not because they have a stake in it but because they get a really high margin that you don’t know about.

If it bothers anyone that he has a stake in Victory then look at reviews by someone else or go and play one. Not a biggie really.

Offset · August 2023

springhead said:

He has involvement in all his amps - he’s a shop trying to sell them. He’s not an independent reviewer. Maybe a.n.other guitar shop will favour a particular brand not because they have a stake in it but because they get a really high margin that you don’t know about.

If it bothers anyone that he has a stake in Victory then look at reviews by someone else or go and play one. Not a biggie really.

I think you nailed it.

Boromedic · August 2023

theatreanchor said:

Well, I didn’t care about any of this, and then I saw the Captain’s video response, and perhaps there was a point to whatever this kid was trying to do.

Seems that six months ago they were claiming Victory Amps were the ‘perfect’ amps! I mean, he really should have stated he had some involvement in Victory. It’s not like the amps are any good either!

https://youtu.be/9Pev82sEScs?si=S0jqx4D0kb4Xtt8w

I don't care one iota if I'm being honest, I would never buy anything straight from an Andertons or any other retailer's videos anyway.

However that video has some interesting comments from 6 months ago confirming he's an investor in Victory, so once again it's old news, nothing to see here, move along etc. etc. .

Dan_Halen · August 2023

Some of you are really desperate to be annoyed about stuff.

Offset · August 2023

imalrightjack said:

MartinBush said:

He has a band? Tell me more...

Not my thing...basically opens with a not really a cover but might as well be Skid Row tune:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NjS6efPDw4&list=RDEMrDGaTpMvhVaszh61XgTETw&start_radio=1

Musically I was expecting worse. Not for me, but it was pretty OK. The video was excruciating, but at least he ditched the unfashionable-in-the-70s bins which he sports in his vids.

Philly_Q · August 2023

This'll get me shot down in flames, but I quite like KDH's band, and his guitar playing.

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