Daniels guitars builds and finishing

GoldenEraGuitars · August 2018

roberty said:

I do think the warnings about GRPR here are overstated. You're not gathering user data in a database, generating user accounts or tracking users with cookies for advertising or personalisation

Okay, I wasn’t going to say anything else regarding this because it is a little unfair to have a positive thread derailed like this but allow me enlighten anyone reading this who DOESNT have a website where customers contact you via a contact form...

At present, I am sitting with the dashboard of my website open. I have a few hundred emails with personal information attached. I have collected a lot of data. Therefor, a privacy policy is required. Now, I only recently got one which is shocking but again, along with Darren how was I to know? No one can purchase from my website yet I still have a lot of other peoples personal information in my possession.

Its also worth noting that Kurt is a solicitor. Surely it’s okat to take his advice in this case (pardon the pun) seeing as he hasn’t charged us for the insight?

Gagaryn · August 2018

poopot said:

Ok,

Darren’s site is and will be, when it’s finished, nothing more than a “portfolio” of his builds with a facility for anyone to contact him should they need or want to...

He is not a “company” as such, he is not offering items for sale and he won’t have a web shop or ecommerce back end...

gdpr is satisfied by including bith a balid email email address and a box to click to give consent before the contact form will send...

TBH he doesn’t have to put a physical address anywhere on his site... and tbh why would he want to?

if in the future he decides to sell his guitars online, or post a list of his prices (if he has any) or offer any “service” to the general public... he would have to comply with the correct consumer laws where applicable...

but... as it stands... it will be nothing more than a website showing his portfolio... absolutely no different to the millions of artists, photographers and creative artisans around the world...

Edit***** no different to putting a “build thread” on here!...

Hmmm!

My reason for opening this can of worms is because I assumed this website would be a way of customkits marketing his excellent work with an intention to sell - an assumption that seems reasonable, what with this being posted in the Made In The UK forum which is intended "to give another platform to the smaller UK-based businesses to reach the guitar community with their (relevant) products and services" and by the fact that the draft website has a consent tick box on the contact us page - something that would be the right thing to do under data protection principles, but since May that request for consent should be be more explicit for it to be GDPR compliant.

Seems to be a lot of back pedalling going on - or perhaps I have totally misunderstood the intention here, but I hope that Customkits will be selling his excellent work through the website. My point was that if that is the case you need to ensure that data protection is built in right at the design stage.

kurtrowe2000 · August 2018

Gagaryn said:

poopot said:

Ok,

Darren’s site is and will be, when it’s finished, nothing more than a “portfolio” of his builds with a facility for anyone to contact him should they need or want to...

He is not a “company” as such, he is not offering items for sale and he won’t have a web shop or ecommerce back end...

gdpr is satisfied by including bith a balid email email address and a box to click to give consent before the contact form will send...

TBH he doesn’t have to put a physical address anywhere on his site... and tbh why would he want to?

if in the future he decides to sell his guitars online, or post a list of his prices (if he has any) or offer any “service” to the general public... he would have to comply with the correct consumer laws where applicable...

but... as it stands... it will be nothing more than a website showing his portfolio... absolutely no different to the millions of artists, photographers and creative artisans around the world...

Edit***** no different to putting a “build thread” on here!...

Hmmm!

My reason for opening this can of worms is because I assumed this website would be a way of customkits marketing his excellent work with an intention to sell - an assumption that seems reasonable, what with this being posted in the Made In The UK forum which is intended "to give another platform to the smaller UK-based businesses to reach the guitar community with their (relevant) products and services" and by the fact that the draft website has a consent tick box on the contact us page - something that would be the right thing to do under data protection principles, but since May that request for consent should be be more explicit for it to be GDPR compliant.

Seems to be a lot of back pedalling going on - or perhaps I have totally misunderstood the intention here, but I hope that Customkits will be selling his excellent work through the website. My point was that if that is the case you need to ensure that data protection is built in right at the design stage.

Absolutely right. Privacy by design or default, the most important principle of the GDPR in my view.

All very simple to fix really. But better to get it right in the first place than to wing it.

Im tagging myself out now though.

roberty · August 2018

lonestar said:

roberty said:

I do think the warnings about GRPR here are overstated. You're not gathering user data in a database, generating user accounts or tracking users with cookies for advertising or personalisation

Okay, I wasn’t going to say anything else regarding this because it is a little unfair to have a positive thread derailed like this but allow me enlighten anyone reading this who DOESNT have a website where customers contact you via a contact form...

At present, I am sitting with the dashboard of my website open. I have a few hundred emails with personal information attached. I have collected a lot of data. Therefor, a privacy policy is required. Now, I only recently got one which is shocking but again, along with Darren how was I to know? No one can purchase from my website yet I still have a lot of other peoples personal information in my possession.

Its also worth noting that Kurt is a solicitor. Surely it’s okat to take his advice in this case (pardon the pun) seeing as he hasn’t charged us for the insight?

Fair, if you are storing email addresses and IPs etc you need consent and a privacy policy

poopot · August 2018

a not needed privacy policy added to the "non active" and "non trading" website...

Can we all get back to praising Darren for his excellent builds now?

roberty · August 2018

Interesting but possibly misplaced discussion about GDPR!

Yes the guitars are stunning, I'm seriously considering a commission

poopot · August 2018

roberty said:

Interesting but possibly misplaced discussion about GDPR!

Yes the guitars are stunning, I'm seriously considering a commission

Well ffs don’t contact him via his website

Danielsguitars · August 2018

I couldn't make enough guitars to sell on a website

Corvus · August 2018

Looks very nice from here chaps, on PC and phone both, nice and modern, good pics.

One thing - just personal impression - was the logo, the full stop seems a bit out of place, you don't see them in a logo. Might just be me. Also I'd have expected 'Daniels Guitars'. On biz cards, invoices, whatever, it'd be 100% obvious whereas 'Daniels.' prob wouldn't. Could maybe hang the word "guitars" underneath "Daniels", would fit in without freaking out the layout. And give emphasis to 'Daniels' which seems kind of nice given the reasons...
Again just 2p of whatever.

GDPR, don't sweat it. Yes there's a law but if anyone's going to be checked out it'll be the big boys. Privacy policys can be borrowed/adapted/taken from templates.

Address, could say something general like based in Somethingshire England, visitors by appointment, or something. Just gives folk a rough idea without being specific, if you don't want that.

Anyways hope that was taken as constructive, was meant that way, good luck and crack on Darren..

Danielsguitars · August 2018

Corvus said:

Looks very nice from here chaps, on PC and phone both, nice and modern, good pics.
One thing - just personal impression - was the logo, the full stop seems a bit out of place, you don't see them in a logo. Might just be me. Also I'd have expected 'Daniels Guitars'. On biz cards, invoices, whatever, it'd be 100% obvious whereas 'Daniels.' prob wouldn't. Could maybe hang the word "guitars" underneath "Daniels", would fit in without freaking out the layout. And give emphasis to 'Daniels' which seems kind of nice given the reasons...
Again just 2p of whatever.
GDPR, don't sweat it. Yes there's a law but if anyone's going to be checked out it'll be the big boys. Privacy policys can be borrowed/adapted/taken from templates.
Address, could say something general like based in Somethingshire England, visitors by appointment, or something. Just gives folk a rough idea without being specific, if you don't want that.
Anyways hope that was taken as constructive, was meant that way, good luck and crack on Darren..

Thanks Bill it's all new to me so constructive advice is always welcome

That was just some artwork i had done by my sons friend i can get that altered at some point, there's lots to go on yet and a privacy policy box has been put on

Yes i will say where i am located not that it really matters as my customers are all over the world, got 2 going to the states this year and Europe next probably, i don't rush lol

roberty · August 2018

poopot said:

roberty said:

Interesting but possibly misplaced discussion about GDPR!

Yes the guitars are stunning, I'm seriously considering a commission

Well ffs don’t contact him via his website

The contact form looks compliant to me. Not sure if TFB is though? *runs*

Danielsguitars · August 2018

roberty said:

poopot said:

roberty said:

Interesting but possibly misplaced discussion about GDPR!

Yes the guitars are stunning, I'm seriously considering a commission

Well ffs don’t contact him via his website

The contact form looks compliant to me. Not sure if TFB is though? *runs*

I feel pretty much the same tbh, i do wonder why i bother posting stuff up sometimes

roberty · August 2018

@customkits I meant in the context of GDPR! Just being cheeky. Please continue to share, your work is stunning and deserves an audience

Danielsguitars · August 2018

roberty said:

@customkits I meant in the context of GDPR! Just being cheeky. Please continue to share, your work is stunning and deserves an audience

Oh thanks, I've got a few things planned that might be of interest to making and modding so I'll see how that pans out

normula1 · August 2018

Back to the topic (despite desperately wanting to add a bit more about GDPR

) love the Goldtop even though it has a Bigsby

Danielsguitars · August 2018

normula1 said:

Back to the topic (despite desperately wanting to add a bit more about GDPR ) love the Goldtop even though it has a Bigsby

That's one of the best features imo but don't worry I'm doing a standard 54 and a 56 darkback for me with bigsby

Danielsguitars · August 2018

I just made a fret jig that allows me to stick a prepped up tapered fretboard and leave it while i radius, slot and cut inlays, the first test was a really nice old cocobolo board for a spanish cedar dc junior, it's really light weight and vintage spec inc the old fret scale, don't mention privacy policy lol

Danielsguitars · August 2018

Website is live now and stuarts photography is outstanding, I'd never have got this done

Feel free to have a look and comment, there's still stuff that could do with a tweak but otherwise very happy now

http://www.danielsguitars.co.uk

Corvus · August 2018

Looks excellent...! dead good.

Stu = poopot? Top stuff

rexter · August 2018

I think the site looks brilliant. Love the fact that those huge images of your beautiful guitars take up most of the window. Great stuff guys!

Danielsguitars · August 2018

Corvus said:

Looks excellent...! dead good.
Stu = poopot? Top stuff

Thanks Bill, yes stu is poopot

GluedtoMusic · August 2018

The site looks great, the photography and guitars look amazing!

notanon · August 2018

poopot said: by

Just to end the gdpr argument.

”To fall within the remit of the GDPR, the processing has to be part of an “enterprise”. Article 4(18) of the Regulation defines this as any legal entity that’s engaged in economic activity”

Darren’s website is nothing more than a portfolio showing his builds...

Exactly - too much FUD

notanon · August 2018

roberty said:

I do think the warnings about GRPR here are overstated. You're not gathering user data in a database, generating user accounts or tracking users with cookies for advertising or personalisation

Yep ^^^

roberty · August 2018

notanon said:

roberty said:

I do think the warnings about GRPR here are overstated. You're not gathering user data in a database, generating user accounts or tracking users with cookies for advertising or personalisation

Yep ^^^

Actually I must caveat this and say with a contact form you need a consent box and privacy statement. The good news is that there are contact form plugins with GDPR compliance options built in

OTOH I don't think Michel Barnier will be turning up at his house with a baseball bat any time soon

Anyway it's sorted now and the site and the guitars are fabulous

Danielsguitars · August 2018

let me know when anyone wants to talk about guitars

roberty · August 2018

Sorry mate!

poopot · August 2018

customkits said:

let me know when anyone wants to talk about guitars

I’ll give it a go...

the yellow lp special... is it gdpr compliant?

Danielsguitars · August 2018

poopot said:

customkits said:

let me know when anyone wants to talk about guitars

I’ll give it a go...

the yellow lp special... is it gdpr compliant?

Someones interested in that one so i better make sure first

WezV · August 2018

customkits said:

poopot said:

customkits said:

let me know when anyone wants to talk about guitars

I’ll give it a go...

the yellow lp special... is it gdpr compliant?

Someones interested in that one so i better make sure first

Someone? Just make sure you wipe their name from your memory as soon as its sold

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