The Fractal Thread

mrkb · March 2018

makes sense to me - you can kill off the price gouging on ebay by letting people go direct. I suspect its a tiny fraction of people willing to do that anyway - so its not a big earner.

Jonathanthomas83 · March 2018

True enough mate

Cabicular · March 2018

I still think it is bizarre.
i can’t imagine any other company doing that

guitarfishbay · March 2018

Someone’s going to try and make some money on a waitlist... why not the company instead of some speculators on eBay.

They should’ve offered it from the start though, this is a bit bizarre doing it after people have been on the waitlist for a while already.

People will judge them for it and fair enough. It’s fairly logical from a short term view standpoint. Long term it may well tar their image or maybe people will forget about it in a month or two when supply is greater.

Jonathanthomas83 · March 2018

In the interests of transparency and free speech, they deleted the thread about it over on the Fractal forum. They really can't take a bashing, can they.

Cabicular · March 2018

guitarfishbay said:

Someone’s going to try and make some money on a waitlist... why not the company instead of some speculators on eBay.

They should’ve offered it from the start though, this is a bit bizarre doing it after people have been on the waitlist for a while already.

People will judge them for it and fair enough. It’s fairly logical from a short term view standpoint. Long term it may well tar their image or maybe people will forget about it in a month or two when supply is greater.

But they are a professional company, I’m not a fan of EBay profiteers. I don’t think Fractal should be in such a hurry to join them.
its bizarre behaviour to my mind.
Can you imagine Boss or line 6 or even Kemper doing this? Just part of Cliffs ‘uniqueness’ I guess

guitarfishbay · March 2018

It’s a physical product, I couldn’t name another company who has, but professional service providers do this kind of thing. See some mix/mastering engineers who have rush rates for people who can’t wait for their usual turnaround time.

If it was me I wouldn’t have chosen to do it, it’s a small amount of money for a potential amount of brand image damage.

duotone · March 2018

Cabicular said:

An extra $1000 to jump the waitlist
they really do have some odd business practices

Keep meaning to try some of the Fractal gear, but stuff like this really puts me off. I assume they throw in some extra stuff as well for the $1000?

Jonathanthomas83 · March 2018

Don't let it put you off. It's tasteless, IMO, but it doesn't take away from what an incredible product they have.

No, nothing extra for your money.

gibsongretschfan · March 2018

$1000 to jump the queue is an absolute joke and anyone defending it has to have their head seen to

Jonathanthomas83 · March 2018

No one can defend it or say anything bad about it because they've deleted, and thus cencored, the thread complaining about it. That's the bit that gets me.

mattismetal · March 2018

It’s nonsense. It’s not like it’s one bloke hand soldering nos transistors into a mojo circuit. One at a time.

for all anyone knows, they’ve got 10000 sat in a warehouse ready to go

any criticism of it renders the stock replies:

Can’t you just enjoy the sound,
does it matter? cliffs a genius.

ask where it’s made and no one gives a straight answer. Just abuse and vague claims of USA USA
ask why it’s so expensive and get told, If you can’t afford it leave the forum and buy a pod you pleb.

It’s just weird and no one else would get away with it.

guitarfishbay · March 2018

If people want to pay it then let them.

I never saw the thread, but I can imagine it didn’t go down well.

Ultimately it seems an action that’ll cost them significantly more hassle than it’ll earn them in a few extra higher profit unit sales. Didn’t seem worth it to me.

mattismetal · March 2018

guitarfishbay said:

If people want to pay it then let them.

I never saw the thread, but I can imagine it didn’t go down well.

Ultimately it seems an action that’ll cost them significantly more hassle than it’ll earn them in a few extra higher profit unit sales. Didn’t seem worth it to me.

Absolutely

gibsongretschfan · March 2018

...wouldn’t catch Line 6 doing this...........

Heartfeltdawn · March 2018

I like it. It reinforces the image of Fractal being a stubborn obstinate company who do things their way, a bit like Rickenbacker and their maniacal trademark protection with regard to clones on Ebay. As quirky as both companies are, you don't tend to hear complaints about the quality of their products, yes?

John_P · March 2018

Has anyone tried buying presets?
While I have some free time this week I’m looking at the sounds I use and tempted to try one of the packs from Glenn Delaune - any reviews?

peteri · March 2018

Austin buddy - Naked Amps best purchase ever.

Moke -signature (sounds from a song) , er not so much.

Glenn -on a Helix, good but a funny way of getting sounds for me which I couldn’t learn from

Clarky · March 2018

Cabicular said:

An extra $1000 to jump the waitlist
they really do have some odd business practices

exploitation of the world's ADHD kids I reckon

Clarky · March 2018

mattismetal said:

ask where it’s made and no one gives a straight answer. Just abuse and vague claims of USA USA
ask why it’s so expensive and get told, If you can’t afford it leave the forum and buy a pod you pleb.

It’s just weird and no one else would get away with it.

I thought FAS did answer..
chassis and minor boards made in China
final assembly, major boards and firmware installed and tested in the USA

mattismetal · March 2018

Clarky said:

mattismetal said:

ask where it’s made and no one gives a straight answer. Just abuse and vague claims of USA USA
ask why it’s so expensive and get told, If you can’t afford it leave the forum and buy a pod you pleb.

It’s just weird and no one else would get away with it.

I thought FAS did answer..
chassis and minor boards made in China
final assembly, major boards and firmware installed and tested in the USA

Yep. I didn't really make myself clear there.

I have no problem with the product, or where its made. I'd love to have one

I have no problem with the price, they can charge what they want and what people are willing to pay.

Presumably they worked out the profit margin before releasing the price.

That is why the extra charge has made people question its morality or reason.

I would check their own thread to see the reasons for the £1000 but apparently its deleted.

DefaultM · March 2018

It's an intelligent move in my opinion.

With the Axe II a lot of that first run went on eBay for $3500. I recall a lot of sellers were also making it look like it was an officially sold unit with warranty, but there is no warranty unless you buy from Fractal.

Who is going to do that now? $3500 from some guy on eBay with no warranty, or the same price direct from Fractal with warranty?
They probably don't even expect to sell any. It's just a measure to stop scalpers.

Clarky · March 2018

DefaultM said:

It's an intelligent move in my opinion.

With the Axe II a lot of that first run went on eBay for $3500. I recall a lot of sellers were also making it look like it was an officially sold unit with warranty, but there is no warranty unless you buy from Fractal.

Who is going to do that now? $3500 from some guy on eBay with no warranty, or the same price direct from Fractal with warranty?
They probably don't even expect to sell any. It's just a measure to stop scalpers.

I never thought of that...
it's a pretty cool idea..

digitalkettle · March 2018

firepaulmusic said:

Bloody typical, I bought the Naked Amp pack on Tuesday night and have had to work late last night and tonight. Can't wait to load them up.....

@firepaulmusic @peteri ;

Did you get the 9.02 pack and are you running it on firmware 9.04?

firepaulmusic · March 2018

I'm on 9.2 firmware, everything sounds good so far.

John_P · April 2018

Quick update from my post last week asking about commercial presets - I ordered the Glen Delaune pack at the weekend.
Cheap enough at £12.50 to have a look at. Although some of the sounds don’t do a lot for me there are some decent ones and I really like the way he sets them out - with mostly 3 scene and a ctrl switch to make any of those a lead with boost and delay. I’ll have to tweak them but I’m impressed enough that I’ll get his other pack.

firepaulmusic · April 2018

Had a play with my rock presets the other day and found that having the Boost on all the time made a great difference to how I like them to sound.

FarleyUK · May 2018

Been a bit quiet in here...!

Quantum 10.1 available on AFX III and II now - AX8 hopefully this week. Adds more amps, and the reports in so far are that it's a brilliant firmware.

guitarfishbay · May 2018

Ooh. I had assumed that was it for Axe FX 2 firmware, but I can’t update right now. I’m still really happy with my 2.

sweepy · May 2018

I still keep looking at an Axe Fx3, get behind me Satan

Howdy, Stranger!

Categories

In this Discussion

Become a Subscriber!

The Fractal Thread

Comments