I've never really got...../Well have a listen to this then.......

dindude · August 2013

Inspired by Big John's "fast guitarists..." thread whereby it's clear he is a big Alan Holdsworth fan and yet I stated I've never really "got" him. I then thought back to someone recently saying they didn't get Jeff Beck (I think it was Sticky), who is one of the greatest IMO. So hows about this as a thread:

1. Someone states a well known Guitarist (let's stick to Guitar Players for now rather than artists / bands) that they just really have never understood the love for.

2. Then someone else (hopefully a fan!) posts one YouTube vid, for one song (with a few comments/pointers maybe) that they would pick to sum up what is good about said Guitarist, to convince them otherwise.

3. Commitment from the original "never really got" person is they will listen to the clip in full with an open mind and comment.

Rules: No other people can post alternatives once someone has posted a video, this is in order to avoid a stream of peoples fav Jef Beck/Alan Holdsworth clips coming through etc. Simply move on to the next "never really got...post"

The idea is to enlighten / debate, rather than argue.

Anyone up for this......?

maltingsaudio · August 2013

Yeah I'll start with Nick Drake

stickyfiddle · August 2013

Good idea (and yep, never got Beck at all on a musical/emotional level). I would post a vid if I had the faintest clue about Nick Drake!

not_the_dj · August 2013

maltingsaudio said:

Yeah I'll start with Nick Drake

@maltingsaudio

I'll try that then. No really footage, but this is one of my favorite ND tracks (it was either this or Northern Sky). Focusing on the guitar you'll find his open tunned finger picking that flow through the track, but really it's about how that sits with the string arrangement from Robert Kirby and Peggy's bass. A beautiful piece of music IMO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze5Bktb2jiQ

dindude · August 2013

stickyfiddle said:

Good idea (and yep, never got Beck at all on a musical/emotional level). I would post a vid if I had the faintest clue about Nick Drake!

Here you go then Sticky, not sure you actually chucked Beck in the ring officially, but you've got it anyway!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC02wGj5gPw

ddlooping · August 2013

I never got Kirk Hammet.

dindude · August 2013

ddlooping said:

I never got Kirk Hammet.

I forgot to say, if nobody rushes to said Guitarists defence, then you receive a wisdom from me for being right in the first place. I've no idea why Kirk Hammet triggered this thought.

ddlooping · August 2013

dindude said:

ddlooping said:

I never got Kirk Hammet.

I forgot to say, if nobody rushes to said Guitarists defence, then you receive a wisdom from me for being right in the first place. I've no idea why Kirk Hammet triggered this thought.

Whoop, whoop!

maltingsaudio · August 2013

@not_the_dj Lovely track thanks for that but very derivative of Richard Thompson et al but have never got what all the fuss is about,him especially as a lot of younger acoustic players I've come across seem to venerate him

not_the_dj · August 2013

Derivative of RT? They were contemporaries (that track is from his second album released in 1970). He did the whole dying young thing though, so that always helps a career in music (as he sold pretty much nothing during his life time).

stickyfiddle · August 2013

dindude said:

stickyfiddle said:

Good idea (and yep, never got Beck at all on a musical/emotional level). I would post a vid if I had the faintest clue about Nick Drake!

Here you go then Sticky, not sure you actually chucked Beck in the ring officially, but you've got it anyway!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC02wGj5gPw

Cheers. I've actually watched most of the Ronnie Scott's gig before, and I understand why people love him, but it leaves me cold. There's obviously a phenomenal amount of talent there, but he doesn't use it to play anything I want to listen to. I think the 80's schmaltz-synth doesn't help. Combine with no singer and bass-shred and I'm out!

dindude · August 2013

Yeah, I kinda get that, I sometimes wish Beck had a better vehicle for his playing rather than just the instrumental stuff, but when he plays he owns every note. I think the band at the Ronnie Scott's gig are great, drummer especially.

[Deleted User] · August 2013

dindude;11317" said:
Yeah, I kinda get that, I sometimes wish Beck had a better vehicle for his playing rather than just the instrumental stuff, but when he plays he owns every note. I think the band at the Ronnie Scott's gig are great, drummer especially.

[Deleted User] · August 2013

richardhomer;11350" said:
[quote="dindude;11317"] I think the band at the Ronnie Scott's gig are great, drummer especially.

[/quote]

Vinnie Coliuta. Genius player....

John_P · August 2013

stickyfiddle said:

Cheers. I've actually watched most of the Ronnie Scott's gig before, and I understand why people love him, but it leaves me cold. There's obviously a phenomenal amount of talent there, but he doesn't use it to play anything I want to listen to. I think the 80's schmaltz-synth doesn't help. Combine with no singer and bass-shred and I'm out!

+1 I always feel I should like Jeff Beck - the playing is wonderful but it just doesn't move me and I'm really struggling to see how that bass solo fitted the song although I appreciate she is good.

dindude · August 2013

I think they were just jazzing it up a bit more as it was at Ronnies. I've seen Beck under more normal circumstances and there are def no bass solos!

[Deleted User] · August 2013

One of the most interesting things about the Ronnie Scott's gig is clocking who's in the audience. I've spotted Page & Plant, Brian May & Mark Knopfler so far....

randomhandclaps · August 2013

ddlooping said:

I never got Kirk Hammet.

Kirk Hammett appears to have the guitar playing version of the Benjamin Button syndrome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546KjKMB9kw

dindude · August 2013

That's very funny, I bet he's just thinking "when can I get on my Wah Wah"

not_the_dj · August 2013

I've not actually heard much by him, but what I have hasn't really grabbed me. So can someone explain...

Mark Tremonti

ddlooping · August 2013

dindude said:

ddlooping said:

I never got Kirk Hammet.

I forgot to say, if nobody rushes to said Guitarists defence, then you receive a wisdom from me for being right in the first place. I've no idea why Kirk Hammet triggered this thought.

A video has been posted.

monquixote · August 2013

maltingsaudio said:

@not_the_dj Lovely track thanks for that but very derivative of Richard Thompson et al but have never got what all the fuss is about,him especially as a lot of younger acoustic players I've come across seem to venerate him

Interesting tunings and interesting time signatures and singing in a very English way which was rare at the time. It's about the songwriting and great arrangements as much as the guitar playing.

Also I think dying young and being discovered later helps.

Bucket · August 2013

not_the_dj said:

I've not actually heard much by him, but what I have hasn't really grabbed me. So can someone explain...

Mark Tremonti

Try the solo at 5:15:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_j7nVCJJ0

He's technically superb, but actually writes solos that are much more heartfelt and emotionally-charged than you often hear from "shredders"... the way he opens the solo with a series of big bends but keeps the energy going throughout, building to even more of a climax, makes it a very exciting solo IMO.

And @stickyfiddle - have a listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGfDslwCYAc

I just think it's great, particularly as he climbs the fretboard. The last minute or so really is fantastic. His tone and vibrato are among the most awesome I've ever heard... and his control of the guitar is breathtaking, the way he is so skilful at varying his touch, manipulating the trem and volume control and so on...

ddlooping · August 2013

@Bucket

dindude said:

Rules: No other people can post alternatives once someone has posted a video, this is in order to avoid a stream of peoples fav Jef Beck/Alan Holdsworth clips coming through etc.

You've been Facepalmed. :P

dindude · August 2013

ddlooping said:

dindude said:

ddlooping said:

I never got Kirk Hammet.

I forgot to say, if nobody rushes to said Guitarists defence, then you receive a wisdom from me for being right in the first place. I've no idea why Kirk Hammet triggered this thought.

A video has been posted.

Yes and I hope it convinced you to take Kirk a little more seriously

stickyfiddle · August 2013

@Bucket

Nessun Dorma needs words (and frankly, Pavarotti singing them!). Again, Beck's total control of the instrument of astonishing, but the material just doesn't work imo. Put him in a proper band with a singer and I'd be interested.

not_the_dj · August 2013

stickyfiddle said:

@Bucket

Nessun Dorma needs words (and frankly, Pavarotti singing them!). Again, Beck's total control of the instrument of astonishing, but the material just doesn't work imo. Put him in a proper band with a singer and I'd be interested.

@stickyfiddle you need to listen to the early Jeff Beck Group then. He had some chap called Rod singing with him, and quite possibly gave a few ideas to the Page bloke who was just starting to inflate his zeppelin.

monquixote · August 2013

not_the_dj said:
@stickyfiddle you need to listen to the early Jeff Beck Group then. He had some chap called Rod singing with him, and quite possibly gave a few ideas to the Page bloke who was just starting to inflate his zeppelin.

Inded "Truth" is the album for people who don't "get" Beck. Though he is a totally differnt beast in those days and without being told I'm not sure you would know it was the same guy playing.

There is a lot of cross pollination with early Zep, but the "Page stole all his ideas from Beck" claims are total balls.

dindude · August 2013

I too was interested in Tremonti - I quite like that solo @Bucket, but I couldn't get into the music.

not_the_dj · August 2013

Bucket said:

not_the_dj said:

I've not actually heard much by him, but what I have hasn't really grabbed me. So can someone explain...

Mark Tremonti
Try the solo at 5:15:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_j7nVCJJ0

He's technically superb, but actually writes solos that are much more heartfelt and emotionally-charged than you often hear from "shredders"... the way he opens the solo with a series of big bends but keeps the energy going throughout, building to even more of a climax, makes it a very exciting solo IMO.

@Bucket

I've given that a good listen. To me the short solo directly before the 5:15 one (starting at 4:37) grabs me more. Much more melodic (and I prefer the tone). I'm guessing that's not Tremonti. The singer plays as well doesn't he, is that him? Shame I don't like his voice that much!

My favorite part in the whole song is actually the breakdown between 3:22 and 4:00 (although that bass run at the end of that section really reminds me of a run Pete Trewavas does in a Marillion song, just can't place which one...it'll come to me in a while I'm sure

Bucket · August 2013

not_the_dj said:

@Bucket

I've given that a good listen. To me the short solo directly before the 5:15 one (starting at 4:37) grabs me more. Much more melodic (and I prefer the tone). I'm guessing that's not Tremonti. The singer plays as well doesn't he, is that him? Shame I don't like his voice that much!

My favorite part in the whole song is actually the breakdown between 3:22 and 4:00 (although that bass run at the end of that section really reminds me of a run Pete Trewavas does in a Marillion song, just can't place which one...it'll come to me in a while I'm sure

Yes, that first solo is Myles Kennedy - also really good. Mark's solo is a little more flamboyant, which is usually what grabs me!

Howdy, Stranger!

Categories

In this Discussion

Become a Subscriber!

I've never really got...../Well have a listen to this then.......

Comments