Line 6 Helix

digitalscream · June 2015

dindude said:

Agree, and remember this looks like a flagship and is priced accordingly, with ll the R&D that involves.

I'm looking forward to the lesser models which will hopefully bounce off this, as I don't personally need 4 amps at once and a lot of the other functionality, but do want an easy to use, great sounding modeller to play about with.

Precisely - when you've spent 4 years developing a product, you've already lost millions. This probably has rather more expensive components than your average top-of-the-range smartphone, added to which there's the software development overhead of modelling amps and effects down to the component level...it's pretty easy to see where they've racked up the costs IMO.

Drew_TNBD · June 2015

Did you see that there are 4 pages of parameters for the effects... At least the harmony delay looks like it does with those dots indicating page numbers.

Grumpyrocker · June 2015

Given how much guitarists are willing to pay for bits of wood with wire strung across them and amplifiers labelled "boutique" built like 1950s mass produced televisions I think the price of a big piece of technology like this seems perfectly reasonable.

digitalscream · June 2015

Drew_fx said:

Did you see that there are 4 pages of parameters for the effects... At least the harmony delay looks like it does with those dots indicating page numbers.

Yep. Not limited to 4 either, I'd imagine.

I do wonder what sort of options you have with the signal chain compared with the outputs - for example, could you take an output before the cab model (or impulse) for your on-stage amp, and then one at the end of the signal chain for direct-to-PA?

Not that it'd matter anyway if I was going to get one, because I'd primarily be after it for a shoulder-saving lightweight rig - my guitar, this and an active monitor and I'm done.

Aidanspaghetti · June 2015

Think I'm in... I've been through about 3 variations on the pod thing and tbh, deep down a part of me loves line6!

Drew_TNBD · June 2015

I'm very interested in this. It looks to be what I've been wanting to get for years.

monquixote · June 2015

Drew_fx said:

I'm very interested in this. It looks to be what I've been wanting to get for years.

Me too.

I'm sure something subtle will be broken in a way that makes it unusable, but it's the first multi which seems to do everything I want.

xtrouble · June 2015

Looks great, love the labels and colour coding. Bloody shiny toys !

Drew_TNBD · June 2015

Hopefully they've spent some of the CPU cycles on seamless patch switching and trails. If they've done that... then it should really really kick ass.

Drew_TNBD · June 2015

And if the amp modelling sounded good, I'd probably sell my Kemper to get this, tbh.

Drew_TNBD · June 2015

And a regular kettle lead for the power... they've really taken all of our past criticisms on board it looks like! I might be getting ready for a Line 6 love-in !!

Grumpyrocker · June 2015

Rack version and footswitch:

monquixote · June 2015

I'd be quite tempted to get the rack and foot controller.

I don't fancy getting a pint dumped over a grands worth of FX processor.

I also really like that the rack and floorboard is the same price as the integrated unit.

EDIT: I can't read

digitalscream · June 2015

Drew_fx said:

Hopefully they've spent some of the CPU cycles on seamless patch switching and trails. If they've done that... then it should really really kick ass.

Dual DSPs...you'd think they've got the multiple-signal-path thing sorted at least, so you'd be able to morph between signal chains with the expression pedal like Clarky does with the Axe FX II.

I'd be shocked if they hadn't got trails, though. That's such an obvious thing for a flagship product that they'd need to hang their heads in shame if it couldn't do it.

digitalscream · June 2015

monquixote said:

I also really like that the rack and floorboard is the same price as the integrated unit.

It's not - the rack is the same price as the floor unit, the controller is $499 extra.

spacecadet · June 2015

Pretty sure I read it had trails. Almost a basic requirement now but certainly at that price.

hugbot · June 2015

I don't see why this shouldn't sound comparable to the AFX. The processing power is there, the knowledge is there. Its just a matter of not fucking it up.

digitalscream said:

Drew_fx said:

Did you see that there are 4 pages of parameters for the effects... At least the harmony delay looks like it does with those dots indicating page numbers.

Yep. Not limited to 4 either, I'd imagine.

I do wonder what sort of options you have with the signal chain compared with the outputs - for example, could you take an output before the cab model (or impulse) for your on-stage amp, and then one at the end of the signal chain for direct-to-PA?

According to the line 6 rep yes.

My guess is that those arrows at the right side of the screen indicate outputs and you just route the chain to those and set what they are.

Apparantly there is no more "cab mode/studio mode" nonsense either, you just route accordingly.

Drew_fx said:

Hopefully they've spent some of the CPU cycles on seamless patch switching and trails. If they've done that... then it should really really kick ass.

No patch changing with trails they say.

spacecadet · June 2015

No patch changing with trails they say.

Don't follow but I haven't had much coffee yet! Does that mean no trails between presets?

monquixote · June 2015

digitalscream said:

monquixote said:

I also really like that the rack and floorboard is the same price as the integrated unit.

It's not - the rack is the same price as the floor unit, the controller is $499 extra.

Doh, reading fail.

hugbot · June 2015

spacecadet said:

No patch changing with trails they say.

Don't follow but I haven't had much coffee yet! Does that mean no trails between presets?

Yeah they say they might impliment it in future but I'm not holding my breath as far as line 6 future support goes.

digitalscream · June 2015

hugbot said:
No patch changing with trails they say.

FFFFFFFFFFFS.

Well, there it is. They've managed to fuck it before it's even started.

Drew_TNBD · June 2015

hugbot said:

spacecadet said:

No patch changing with trails they say.

Don't follow but I haven't had much coffee yet! Does that mean no trails between presets?

Yeah they say they might impliment it in future but I'm not holding my breath as far as line 6 future support goes.

Line 6's support isn't that bad tbh. They've released several firmware updates to the Pod HD series. Are they as prolific as Fractal? No. But Fractal would release a new firmware to correct a typo!

UnclePsychosis · June 2015

This looks great, but there's no way on earth I'd ever have the time to set it up and tweak it properly. For those of us with that spare time, though, I bet it will kick some arse.

spacecadet · June 2015

Just found something about the trails. One of the Line 6 guys said no for the launch but there will be some "pretty nutty ideas" coming in the future.

Back when I was using Pod Xt Live the updates were great. Not too often but every one that came added some great features without completely ruining or changing things. The support has always been great.

spacecadet · June 2015

I'm also guessing if enough people moan about it, it will be easy enough for them to do a quick tweak and put it in. It won;t be here till summer apparently.

Drew_TNBD · June 2015

Apparently you can design your presets to do a sort of pseudo-spillover... so I'm guessing that means scenes within presets.

Drew_TNBD · June 2015

The reverbs and eight of the ten wahs come from HD, but they've been rebuilt in HX, so they sound better. All other effects have been created from scratch within HX. To pull some of them off, we've had to physically model the behavior of incandescent light bulbs, transistors, bucket brigade chips, and other components. Completely new architecture and DSP engine.

From Digital Igloo (Line 6 employee)

I hope there are more parameters with the reverbs, although if they've been ported over... I suspect not. Be interested to hear what the quality improvement does to the Particle Reverb.

Drew_TNBD · June 2015

There are completely new delay models as well.

Comment by Phil_m over at Gear Page - he's a Line 6 expert too.

Grumpyrocker · June 2015

I should stop reading this thread. I just can't afford to the consequences.

bingefeller · June 2015

Remember they were doing announcing something about this at Winter NAMM but it never came about? Looks and sounds very interesting.

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