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markjwgraham · October 2013

I approve of you shooting for additional accuracy. Like it.

ddlooping · October 2013

Mark, I still don't get why you removed the sample.
It wasn't a bad tone (imho, they doesn't exist in isolation) just one that was hard to identify the provenance of.

EricTheWeary · October 2013

Drew_fx;56701" said:
I don't think the comments were negative, they just said it sounded like a modelling amp.

8-}

Exactly that. We had no idea if it was a Mesa Boogie or a Smokie.

markjwgraham · October 2013

ddlooping said:

Mark, I still don't get why you removed the sample.
It wasn't a bad tone (imho, they doesn't exist in isolation) just one that was hard to identify the provenance of.

I'd say that the merit of tones are subject to context, and in the right mix this could work... but the key thing is that it wasn't in a mix - I'd put it out there to stand on its own and the general concensus seemed to indicate it wasn't good enough, so I removed it.

ddlooping · October 2013

markjwgraham said:

ddlooping said:

Mark, I still don't get why you removed the sample.
It wasn't a bad tone (imho, they doesn't exist in isolation) just one that was hard to identify the provenance of.

I'd say that the merit of tones are subject to context, and in the right mix this could work... but the key thing is that it wasn't in a mix - I'd put it out there to stand on its own and the general concensus seemed to indicate it wasn't good enough, so I removed it.

Sorry Mark, I don't mean to be argumentative but I still don't get it.
Good enough for what?

koneguitarist · October 2013

To be honest, the sound was pretty bad to my ears as a generic tone, but the so is Stairway to heaven solo tone, it's all subjective. But last thing I was thinking of was a champ, how did you get it to sound so much like a cheap tranny amp ? None of my champs have ever sounded so shrill.

markjwgraham · October 2013

ddlooping said:

markjwgraham said:

ddlooping said:

Mark, I still don't get why you removed the sample.
It wasn't a bad tone (imho, they doesn't exist in isolation) just one that was hard to identify the provenance of.

I'd say that the merit of tones are subject to context, and in the right mix this could work... but the key thing is that it wasn't in a mix - I'd put it out there to stand on its own and the general concensus seemed to indicate it wasn't good enough, so I removed it.

Sorry Mark, I don't mean to be argumentative but I still don't get it.
Good enough for what?

Good enough to stand on its own.

koneguitarist said:

To be honest, the sound was pretty bad to my ears as a generic tone, but the so is Stairway to heaven solo tone, it's all subjective. But last thing I was thinking of was a champ, how did you get it to sound so much like a cheap tranny amp ? None of my champs have ever sounded so shrill.

And I think this sort of response best answers your question as to why I didn't leave it up. I'm just not willing to field these sorts of responses.

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ThePrettyDamned · October 2013

I'm so glad this all turned out well.

Our own personal opinions are pretty unimportant - if you like it, you like it. Also, as has been mentioned, in a mix it might make more sense. I don't think it was a good recording because of the dryness and harshness of the drive itself.

That said, that's a sound that, if it was available in a pedal, people would buy it. A fair few Beatles songs were recorded by over driving the input if the desk and that's a drive sound that is hard to emulate on an amp because theyre inherently bassier and more full sounding.

ToneControl · October 2013

GuitarMonkey · October 2013

ddlooping said:
Sorry Mark, I don't mean to be argumentative but I still don't get it.
Good enough for what?

Good enough for this http://www.singlechannelamp.com/ I imagine.

EricTheWeary · October 2013

ThePrettyDamned said:

I'm so glad this all turned out well.

ThePrettyDamned · October 2013

GuitarMonkey;57014" said:
ddlooping said:

Sorry Mark, I don't mean to be argumentative but I still don't get it.

Good enough for what?

Good enough for this http://www.singlechannelamp.com/ I imagine.

3 part lesson... Hmm...

Pick/finger attack

Ride the volume knob

Turn the amp up to adjust for drive level and use an attenuator?

I need a multi channel. You can't get from crystal clean to bone crushing gain on a volume knob sadly. Luckily, there are great affordable multi channel amps, like the 50 watt jet city of the peavey 6505+ combo, which is insanely good once you've changed the speaker.

Sadly, I only have a single channel ac30 type mini amp that I really should get rid of!

randomhandclaps · October 2013

ThePrettyDamned said:

I need a multi channel. You can't get from crystal clean to bone crushing gain on a volume knob sadly. Luckily, there are great affordable multi channel amps, like the 50 watt jet city of the peavey 6505+ combo, which is insanely good once you've changed the speaker.

Sadly, I only have a single channel ac30 type mini amp that I really should get rid of!

Then maybe you should sign up!

Kebabkid · October 2013

Mark, with regard to the "tone of the posts", I really don't think anyone is being horrid or negative here.

You have asked for comments/opinions and the responses have been pretty uniform, possibly veering toward something you weren't expecting, or didn't like hearing.

As was said somewhere here, if it works for you and you like it, that's all that matters.:)

I also think the context of the sound is really important and here's something that featured on a classic. Is it a good sound or a bad sound? That's up for debate, but it appears it was the right sound!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF8cs3wxhLA

On a different note, you have some nice gear and I liked your U2 sounds

markjwgraham · October 2013

Kebabkid said:

Mark, with regard to the "tone of the posts", I really don't think anyone is being horrid or negative here.

You have asked for comments/opinions and the responses have been pretty uniform, possibly veering toward something you weren't expecting, or didn't like hearing.

As was said somewhere here, if it works for you and you like it, that's all that matters.:)

I also think the context of the sound is really important and here's something that featured on a classic. Is it a good sound or a bad sound? That's up for debate, but it appears it was the right sound!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF8cs3wxhLA

On a different note, you have some nice gear and I liked your U2 sounds

Thanks for the comments. Context aside, and tonal preference aside, I do want people to sign up to singlechannelamp.com and get involved once the site is ready to go. I don't think it's unreasonable to remove something I think is going to stop people doing that. I've done at least a few videos, and this is the first clip that's resulted in a thread like this. While the tone of the posts from most isn't horribly negative, this is not the sort of vibe I want to be associated with me or what I'm trying to put together.

For example, posters like theprettydamned and randomhandclaps are already posting sarcastic and scoffing responses on the basis of one clip - just one - and this thread, so it's not worth keeping it. The disappointing thing is that their responses are indicative of the sort of guitarists I'm actually wanting to introduce to different ways of doing things. I don't think it's unreasonable to be disappointed that this sort of response to threads will stop people signing up to something I think I can help them with.

I don't particularly want to labour this point, as I've explained why I've removed it, and I don't disagree with the point of context mattering - but that isn't the point in this instance.

monquixote · October 2013

Removing the clip renders the thread rather pointless IMO.

randomhandclaps · October 2013

That's incorrect. Posters aren't "posting sarcastic and scoffing responses" as a result of that clip, they are posting them as a result of your conceited and diva-like response that people were being 'negative' by giving you an honest guess.

The arrogance of such statements like -

"I do pride myself on getting great tone from amps - as I believe is evidenced on my youtube channel and clips there"

"their responses are indicative of the sort of guitarists I'm actually wanting to introduce to different ways of doing things"

"response to threads will stop people signing up to something I think I can help them with."

- shows a shocking lack of understanding the individuality of tone.

" I don't think it's unreasonable to remove something I think is going to stop people doing that. I've done at least a few videos, and this is the first clip that's resulted in a thread like this.". I took the time to watch your videos. I don't see hundreds of positive responses, yet the guys on this forum took the time to respond and you want to castigate them for their ignorance on tone?

"While the tone of the posts from most isn't horribly negative, this is not the sort of vibe I want to be associated with me or what I'm trying to put together.". Which echoes my previous post that you were peacocking in an attempt to promote your own uniquely brilliant understand of tone to the sheltered masses or spend hours on here discussing such thing

As a publicity stunt you obviously realised it was a fail, but frankly your the arrogance and manner of you response is far more damaging.

"The disappointing thing is that their responses are indicative of the sort of guitarists I'm actually wanting to introduce to different ways of doing things." - That is so laughably deluded it's actually bordering on scary. Believe me, their are some guys on here with serious experience who commented yet you are calling them out on the poor understanding of your genius?! Get a grip.

randomhandclaps · October 2013

monquixote said:

Removing the clip renders the thread rather pointless IMO.

The moment someone guessed anything other than God's own amp it became pointless IMO.

ThePrettyDamned · October 2013

My sarcasm was aimed more at the thread in general and the unfortunate direction it has gone, not the tone posted. I'm sure I said something about it being subjective and likely better in context... I just don't think it was a representative tone of a fender tweed champ, having owned one briefly (albeit a hand wired clone).

I'm aware of how great single channel amps are - the gh50 is one of my faves, based on a jcm 800 and that only has a single channel with a switchable gain boost. It's got gain for days, and the eq let's you achieve a great range of different tones, mostly tailored to rock, hard rock and metal. But I'd need a clean channel, too

How about a new recording? Keep it uncompressed and raw - something that represents the sound of the amp in the room, which is more useful for demo purposes than a close mic'd speaker is (more used for recording) especially in a practice amp like the champ. Your youtube vid you posted sounds excellent! I don't know why the file posted on here was so far removed from that.

Edit: a champ isn't much use for this sort of sound http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Fk6febWis&list=PLSqIHiGMeSLA8C971iWFlfSVQO40w3GcB

I don't pretend I'm cool with the tones I like, but at the moment, I own a single channel, single ended el84 amp with an AC30 style preamp circuit and top boost. It's fantastic for what it does - touch responsive gain and 'that' AC30 tone. But it's useless for me, I got it when I was more into my funk and such and it was fab for that. However, it doesn't matter what I do, I always come back to the rawk.

GuitarMonkey · October 2013

I'm naturally suspicious of anything you need to sign up for sight unseen.

Unless there is some hidden or future cost involved, why not just post the lessons? If people saw that they were good, they would be more likely to sign up (and maybe even pay) for future offerings.

bertie · October 2013

Mark's a professional vocal coach by the look of his website.........

GuitarMonkey · October 2013

Also people who say "we", trying to look like a big outfit, when it's a one-person operation.

viz · October 2013

Aw cmon everyone has to start small - maybe there's a couple of folk involved - that seems reasonable to me. To us I mean.

ddlooping · October 2013

Out for a kill, guys?

guitargeek62 · October 2013

ThePrettyDamned;57026" said:
I need a multi channel. You can't get from crystal clean to bone crushing gain on a volume knob sadly.

Get a Trainwreck 8-)

ThePrettyDamned · October 2013

guitargeek62 said:

ThePrettyDamned;57026" said:
I need a multi channel. You can't get from crystal clean to bone crushing gain on a volume knob sadly.

Get a Trainwreck 8-)

I wish

I've never even seen one!

Besides, a 6505+ is cheaper. I'd need to rehouse it in a head, though... Dang they heavy!

streethawk · October 2013

I am a bit peeved that I wasted time reading through the thread only to find that the clips have been removed.

So where do I point the finger? At the people who listened to a compressed recording of a small practice amp, and posted their honest opinions on the resulting sound? Or the person who somehow imagined a bunch of experienced listeners would be tricked into thinking it was something different?

I think the 'conceited' observation is pretty accurate. I would respectfully like to add 'slapped arse' to the findings.

mudslide73 · October 2013

Oh no... I wish I'd clicked on this thread earlier. As Socrates says in Bill and Ted: "The only true wisdom consists of knowing that you know nothing". There are some serious dudes on here. Was this the first shoeing of the new forum?... we need that popcorn munching smilie thing.

That said, I like a bit of single channel action myself.

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