Quite an insightful quote from Jools Holland in Guardian interview about Later...

CaseOfAce · October 2023

buried away halfway thru was this gem:

"The music is why it’s endured. I’m just the glue that holds it together and it’s allowed me to see the greats closeup. They all share a powerful, decisive way of playing. Even Paul Simon, who you wouldn’t consider noisy, gets a huge sound when he strums his guitar."

Bod · October 2023

"...and now...Ruby Turner!"

Vintage65 · October 2023

It's gone downhill from what it used to be. Is that a reflection on modern music, or has the program become irrelevant in the grand scheme of internet things, etc? KEXP and Tiny Desk Concerts spring to mind here, as well as a raft of other online offerings.

Roland · October 2023

Vintage65 said:

It's gone downhill from what it used to be.

How do you assess “downhill”. I’m not saying that it hasn’t changed, but what is “down” in your opinion?

Vintage65 · October 2023

Roland said:

Vintage65 said:

It's gone downhill from what it used to be.

How do you assess “downhill”. I’m not saying that it hasn’t changed, but what is “down” in your opinion?

It used to be essential viewing, not so much now. Just have a look back in the archives and you will find a fantastic body of work.

PS is it still going?

theatreanchor · October 2023

Vintage65 said:

It's gone downhill from what it used to be. Is that a reflection on modern music, or has the program become irrelevant in the grand scheme of internet things, etc? KEXP and Tiny Desk Concerts spring to mind here, as well as a raft of other online offerings.

I suspect the online shows offer greater exposure, and a more immediate viewing audience reaction, whereas Jools seemed to mostly be a touring artists promo gig. I found it certainly became less diverse (in terms of its musical scope) over the years, and I became altogether sick of the boogie woogie. Bit of an old fashioned show now I guess.

stickyfiddle · October 2023

Vintage65 said:

It's gone downhill from what it used to be. Is that a reflection on modern music, or has the program become irrelevant in the grand scheme of internet things, etc? KEXP and Tiny Desk Concerts spring to mind here, as well as a raft of other online offerings.

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euan · October 2023

It is what it was. The difference now is that the exposure the show would give to musicians was a rarified thing. Now it’s at the tip of your fingers

thecolourbox · October 2023

I think comparing a regular series broadcast weekly when it's on, with what, 5 or 6 artists per episode, to certain specific "classic" archives footage is missing the point a bit - like how people forget the absolute dross music of the 60s and 70s because of the classics they like. There was dross on the show back then just as there is now, but in my opinion always worth watching for that special something every now and then that you wouldn't hear anywhere else

RocknRollDave · October 2023

Giving a platform for live music to a mix of huge, upcoming and quite-successful-thankyou-but-off-the-mainstream-radar on mainstream TV after the demise of the likes of Old Grey Whistle Test was like a breath of fresh air, and I have enjoyed many great moments over the years. Thank you, Jools!

I have also enjoyed hate-watching* the acts I don’t like, too.

I do find of late that I am less interested in it, but I suspect that’s more the Simpsons meme above coming true rather than it actually dropping in quality.

His interviews have always been cringe and NO MORE RUBY TURNER, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, but I still admire the guy for what he has achieved with this show over the years.

*my term for watching stuff I know I don’t like, just so I can enjoy grumbling about it - see also: Brit Awards, Mercury Music Prize

Vintage65 · October 2023

thecolourbox said:

I think comparing a regular series broadcast weekly when it's on, with what, 5 or 6 artists per episode, to certain specific "classic" archives footage is missing the point a bit - like how people forget the absolute dross music of the 60s and 70s because of the classics they like. There was dross on the show back then just as there is now, but in my opinion always worth watching for that special something every now and then that you wouldn't hear anywhere else

Later used to be the place where acts promoted their critically acclaimed albums. There is still excellent new music being made, but the current iteration of Later is not the best place to find it.

darthed1981 · October 2023

Vintage65 said:

thecolourbox said:

I think comparing a regular series broadcast weekly when it's on, with what, 5 or 6 artists per episode, to certain specific "classic" archives footage is missing the point a bit - like how people forget the absolute dross music of the 60s and 70s because of the classics they like. There was dross on the show back then just as there is now, but in my opinion always worth watching for that special something every now and then that you wouldn't hear anywhere else

Later used to be the place where acts promoted their critically acclaimed albums. There is still excellent new music being made, but the current iteration of Later is not the best place to find it.

Oh piffle.

You may not like what's on there and that's cool, that's up to you - but there are many, many acts who have been on promoting their critically acclaimed albums.

Vintage65 · October 2023

darthed1981 said:
Oh piffle.

You may not like what's on there and that's cool, that's up to you - but there are many, many acts who have been on promoting their critically acclaimed albums.

Can you name a few and I will take a listen.

darthed1981 · October 2023

Vintage65 said:

darthed1981 said:
Oh piffle.

You may not like what's on there and that's cool, that's up to you - but there are many, many acts who have been on promoting their critically acclaimed albums.

Can you name a few and I will take a listen.

Critically acclaimed artists on Later in the last couple of series? Can't guarantee there are any you would like but...

Series 62

Noel Gallagher (Full Episode Special)
The Lathums
Alison Goldfrapp
Gaz Coombes
Royal Blood
Sleaford Mods

Series 61

Arctic Monkeys (Full Episode Special)
The 1975
Suede
Christine and the Queens
Hot Chip
Bill Nomates

Series 60

Wet Leg
Liam Gallagher
Jessie Buckley and Bernard Butler
Confidence Man
Kasabian
Kae Tempest
Paolo Nutini
Foals

I could go on but those were big artists pushing critically acclaimed records on the show in the last three series, all since the start of 2022. Those are just the ones I know were pushing new records that were acclaimed, it could be a longer list.

As I said, you may not like any or all of them but that is a fairly reflective picture of current big acts who aren't just pop and outside the remit.

EricTheWeary · October 2023

darthed1981 said:

Vintage65 said:

thecolourbox said:

I think comparing a regular series broadcast weekly when it's on, with what, 5 or 6 artists per episode, to certain specific "classic" archives footage is missing the point a bit - like how people forget the absolute dross music of the 60s and 70s because of the classics they like. There was dross on the show back then just as there is now, but in my opinion always worth watching for that special something every now and then that you wouldn't hear anywhere else

Later used to be the place where acts promoted their critically acclaimed albums. There is still excellent new music being made, but the current iteration of Later is not the best place to find it.

Oh piffle.

You may not like what's on there and that's cool, that's up to you - but there are many, many acts who have been on promoting their critically acclaimed albums.

I pretty much stopped watching it because it started featuring new acts with their critically acclaimed albums, I liked it when it was old blues singers (and Paul Weller). It had artists like Otis Rush who are hardly documented on film anywhere; highly promoted acts with millions of views on YouTube were abusing that space.

And when it’s here’s Jools with Ruby Turner (again) it starts getting a bit Wheeltappers and Shunters.

Vintage65 · October 2023

darthed1981 said:

Vintage65 said:

darthed1981 said:
Oh piffle.

You may not like what's on there and that's cool, that's up to you - but there are many, many acts who have been on promoting their critically acclaimed albums.

Can you name a few and I will take a listen.

Critically acclaimed artists on Later in the last couple of series? Can't guarantee there are any you would like but...

Series 62

Noel Gallagher (Full Episode Special)
The Lathums
Alison Goldfrapp
Gaz Coombes
Royal Blood
Sleaford Mods

Series 61

Arctic Monkeys (Full Episode Special)
The 1975
Suede
Christine and the Queens
Hot Chip
Bill Nomates

Series 60

Wet Leg
Liam Gallagher
Jessie Buckley and Bernard Butler
Confidence Man
Kasabian
Kae Tempest
Paolo Nutini
Foals

I could go on but those were big artists pushing critically acclaimed records on the show in the last three series, all since the start of 2022. Those are just the ones I know were pushing new records that were acclaimed, it could be a longer list.

As I said, you may not like any or all of them but that is a fairly reflective picture of current big acts who aren't just pop and outside the remit.

I'll give you Gaz Coombes, 1975, Suede & Wet Leg, but most of the artists who produced the best recent albums are conspicuous by their absence.

Bod · October 2023

I nearly didn't miss Hootenanny one year. That was really close.

mudslide73 · October 2023

I still like it but it's all been gradually downhill for me since McAlmont and Butler in 1995.

darthed1981 · October 2023

Vintage65 said:

darthed1981 said:

Vintage65 said:

darthed1981 said:
Oh piffle.

You may not like what's on there and that's cool, that's up to you - but there are many, many acts who have been on promoting their critically acclaimed albums.

Can you name a few and I will take a listen.

Critically acclaimed artists on Later in the last couple of series? Can't guarantee there are any you would like but...

Series 62

Noel Gallagher (Full Episode Special)
The Lathums
Alison Goldfrapp
Gaz Coombes
Royal Blood
Sleaford Mods

Series 61

Arctic Monkeys (Full Episode Special)
The 1975
Suede
Christine and the Queens
Hot Chip
Bill Nomates

Series 60

Wet Leg
Liam Gallagher
Jessie Buckley and Bernard Butler
Confidence Man
Kasabian
Kae Tempest
Paolo Nutini
Foals

I could go on but those were big artists pushing critically acclaimed records on the show in the last three series, all since the start of 2022. Those are just the ones I know were pushing new records that were acclaimed, it could be a longer list.

As I said, you may not like any or all of them but that is a fairly reflective picture of current big acts who aren't just pop and outside the remit.

I'll give you Gaz Coombes, Suede & Wet Leg, but most of the artists who produced the best recent albums are conspicuous by their absence.

That's opinion though isn't it...?

Your statement was that their used to be critically acclaimed artists on their plugging new records. ALL of those are critically acclaimed acts plugging new records. If they aren't the records you personally like, that's not my or the BBC's problem. I don't like all of them, but they do all fit those definitions.

Don't get me wrong "they don't have the acts on I like any more" is a perfectly fair opinion, but I think we have proved the initial statement wasn't correct.

darthed1981 · October 2023

mudslide73 said:

I still like it but it's all been gradually downhill for me since McAlmont and Butler in 1995.

Bernard's last appearance with Jessie Buckley was very nearly as good as that.

Vintage65 · October 2023

darthed1981 said:
That's opinion though isn't it...?

Your statement was that their used to be critically acclaimed artists on their plugging new records. ALL of those are critically acclaimed acts plugging new records. If they aren't the records you personally like, that's not my or the BBC's problem. I don't like all of them, but they do all fit those definitions.

Don't get me wrong "they don't have the acts on I like any more" is a perfectly fair opinion, but I think we have proved the initial statement wasn't correct.

Mostly not my own opinion. I constantly seek out new music via a consensus from professional music critics and aggregated user reviews, but some of it is down to my own sleuthing. I listen to way more new music compared to the legacy stuff, so it's a never-ending voyage of discovery for me that covers a wide range of genres, which is basically everything.

darthed1981 · October 2023

Vintage65 said:

darthed1981 said:
That's opinion though isn't it...?

Your statement was that their used to be critically acclaimed artists on their plugging new records. ALL of those are critically acclaimed acts plugging new records. If they aren't the records you personally like, that's not my or the BBC's problem. I don't like all of them, but they do all fit those definitions.

Don't get me wrong "they don't have the acts on I like any more" is a perfectly fair opinion, but I think we have proved the initial statement wasn't correct.

Mostly not my own opinion. I constantly seek out new music via a consensus from professional music critics and aggregated user reviews, but some of it is down to my own sleuthing. I listen to way more new music compared to the legacy stuff, so it's a never-ending voyage of discovery for me that covers a wide range of genres (basically everything).

Well if out of that list you listened to them all and found you liked just those three acts, cool.

The idea there is some kind of objective truth behind it, whatever method you use, seems a bit daft to me.

But hey, whatever works for you dude.

Vintage65 · October 2023

darthed1981 said:
Well if out of that list you listened to them all and found you liked just those three acts, cool.

The idea there is some kind of objective truth behind it, whatever method you use, seems a bit daft to me.

But hey, whatever works for you dude.

Currently listening to Lankum, and hopefully Jools will get them on the new series

Funkfingers · October 2023

It's all optional entertainment.

For me, "Later …" ceased to be essential viewing when my interest was no longer piqued by at least one act every week.

Also, many of the acts I would like to watch are either unwilling or unavailable to appear. Andy Partridge, Jeff Beck, Dr. John

theatreanchor · October 2023

Funkfingers said:

It's all optional entertainment.

For me, "Later …" ceased to be essential viewing when my interest was no longer piqued by at least one act every week.

Also, many of the acts I would like to watch are either unwilling or unavailable to appear. Andy Partridge, Jeff Beck, Dr. John

I think I was first exposed to Dr John on Later. There have been some great performances on there. ATDI I remember vividly.

Philly_Q · October 2023

theatreanchor said:

Funkfingers said:

It's all optional entertainment.

For me, "Later …" ceased to be essential viewing when my interest was no longer piqued by at least one act every week.

Also, many of the acts I would like to watch are either unwilling or unavailable to appear. Andy Partridge, Jeff Beck, Dr. John

I think I was first exposed to Dr John on Later. There have been some great performances on there. ATDI I remember vividly.

Re the earlier "...and now...Ruby Turner!" comment, I was going to write "...and now...Dr John!". The first thing that springs to my mind whenever Later... is mentioned is Jools and Dr John doing one of their many piano duets.

Offset · October 2023

'Later...' introduced me to the rather wonderful Kandace Springs, and for that fact alone I shall forever be grateful.

Airmiles · October 2023

In the past few years, Jessie Buckley and the (IMO) spectacular and left-field LP (as in Laura Pergolizzi, not vinyl) stand out - LP's " Lost on You" album is now a family favourite. Though that illustrates his point - LPs vocal power is other -worldly

I used to love seeing him live, but his set has ossified and become samey... maybe it happens to us all.

But I'll be forever grateful for his A-Z of the Piano tour in the 90s, and a Rico Rodriguez cameo of "Enjoy Yourself" about five years ago.

Just...no more R@#$ T@#$&*" for the love of all things Holy

prowla · October 2023

I do like to watch it on occasion and have bought albums based on bands thereon.

However, I do wish he wouldn't do the "and now ..., featuring me" guesting with acts where he plays the same silly widdley bits on the piano no matter what the song.

GoFish · October 2023

I'd like to pull pn the other thread of OP's post. @CaseOfAce noted that, per Jules, the 'big' performers all played with some force or volume. I don't doubt this is true, but how much of it was learned behaviour? By the time you get to headlining a TV extravaganza, you are confident and practised enough to really belt out your stuff - or did eg: Paul Simon always sound surprisingly loud and characterful on the guitar, even when picking?

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