If It's True......

Kilgore · September 2023

Chalky said:

You blathered on about a topic you knew nothing about.

People do that?....on the Fretboard?

My illusions are shattered.

SteveRobinson · September 2023

Special maybe but inconsequential as far as the rest of the universe is concerned

Chalky · September 2023

Kilgore said:

Chalky said:

You blathered on about a topic you knew nothing about.

People do that?....on the Fretboard?

My illusions are shattered.

We all do it now and then...

JohnS37 · September 2023

Tannin said:

Kilgore said:

Sporky said:

GoFish said:

Building a pyramid isn't hard, it just needs time and a fuck-tonne of effort, copoperation and human ingenuity!

And slaves. Lots and lots of free, expendable labour.

Current evidence suggests they were actually paid labourers.

If I remember correctly, there was also a very significant religious element. My understanding is that the leading researchers these days think that religious duty/observance on the part of the peasant labourers was the key motivation.

. . . and you know how impossible it it to get people to copoperate . . .

GoFish · September 2023

All this talk of the precise conditions for life are a bit moot as we're trying to extrapolate from one (1) known instance. We have literally no idea how common or rare or neceessary any of these factors are. We haven't even confirmed or denied the existance of organic cells on the two closest planets to us.

musteatbrain · September 2023

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66786611

Almost 100% conclusive proof that we perhaps may potential not be alone after a bit more investigation!

Kilgore · September 2023

musteatbrain said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66786611

Almost 100% conclusive proof that we perhaps may potential not be alone after a bit more investigation!

It's only 120 lightyears away which is effectively next door to us. If true, the universe is teeming with life and that vastly increases the possibility of intelligent life.

ICBM · September 2023

Kilgore said:

It's only 120 lightyears away which is effectively next door to us. If true, the universe is teeming with life and that vastly increases the possibility of intelligent life.

No it doesn't - it doesn't change anything really.

The presence of basic primitive life almost everywhere conditions are suitable is pretty much a certainty anyway. Life existed in that form on Earth for billions of years.

Then, just once, complex life arose. Once, in more than three billion years on a planet perfectly suited to it and teeming with basic life.

That's the enormous step that has to be scaled before you get to intelligent life.

GoFish · September 2023

Sure, it is wildly improbable - but that's what odds in the billlions were made for. Wildly improbable to have one planet in 10 billion pass the filters for multi-cellular life. So we need 20 billion planets...

Of courser, we could be a compltely unique event. Can't say with only one data point.

As far as the BBC article goes, we have more than tentative "markers for life" in at least two planets (well, moons) in our own solar system.

Hootsmon · September 2023

GoFish said:

Sure, it is wildly improbable - but that's what odds in the billlions were made for. Wildly improbable to have one planet in 10 billion pass the filters for multi-cellular life. So we need 20 billion planets...

Of courser, we could be a compltely unique event. Can't say with only one data point.

As far as the BBC article goes, we have more than tentative "markers for life" in at least two planets (well, moons) in our own solar system.

Hmmmm,Wonder if they'll have extraterrestrial TV

Kilgore · September 2023

ICBM said:

Kilgore said:

It's only 120 lightyears away which is effectively next door to us. If true, the universe is teeming with life and that vastly increases the possibility of intelligent life.

No it doesn't - it doesn't change anything really.

The presence of basic primitive life almost everywhere conditions are suitable is pretty much a certainty anyway. Life existed in that form on Earth for billions of years.

Then, just once, complex life arose. Once, in more than three billion years on a planet perfectly suited to it and teeming with basic life.

That's the enormous step that has to be scaled before you get to intelligent life.

The problem is that we have a sample of one so far. Any estimate of the prevalence of life in the universe, simple or complex is nothing more than a guess.

If true, then this discovery may indicate that primitive life is extremely prelevant and the close proximity to us (insignificant on a cosmic scale) may indicate that it is more widespread than we may have thought. IMO, that increases the possibility of that enormous step to intelligent life.

How likely?

How long is a piece of string?

Kittyfrisk · September 2023

Kilgore said:

ICBM said:

Kilgore said:

It's only 120 lightyears away which is effectively next door to us. If true, the universe is teeming with life and that vastly increases the possibility of intelligent life.

No it doesn't - it doesn't change anything really.

The presence of basic primitive life almost everywhere conditions are suitable is pretty much a certainty anyway. Life existed in that form on Earth for billions of years.

Then, just once, complex life arose. Once, in more than three billion years on a planet perfectly suited to it and teeming with basic life.

That's the enormous step that has to be scaled before you get to intelligent life.

The problem is that we have a sample of one so far. Any estimate of the prevalence of life in the universe, simple or complex is nothing more than a guess.

If true, then this discovery may indicate that primitive life is extremely prelevant and the close proximity to us (insignificant on a cosmic scale) may indicate that it is more widespread than we may have thought. IMO, that increases the possibility of that enormous step to intelligent life.

How likely?

How long is a piece of string?

FFS don't start on string theory, the probability of life numbers are hard enough as it is...

swiller · September 2023

I like graham hancocks take on such things, apart from his framing of archeologists as some sort of cover up evil centralised entity. But he is right on a number of things..
1) The more interesting subject is behavior of historical civilisations, not how it all started.
2) He has decent argument for pyramids and more intelligent civilisation 12000 years ago.
3) The wider universe having lifeforms maybe which we can neither see, hear or touch, and operating on different dimensional levels.
4) Pychedelics are gifts of nature that can provide avenues into very real insights into the whole universe, meaning of life shit.

Not saying i agree with everything he says, but as a journalist at least he has gone and had a look himself.

hywelg · September 2023

In my mind I see a habitable planet with dinosaurs incapable of evolving into anything that could use a keyboard

Tannin · September 2023

GoFish said:

All this talk of the precise conditions for life are a bit moot as we're trying to extrapolate from one (1) known instance. We have literally no idea how common or rare or neceessary any of these factors are. We haven't even confirmed or denied the existance of organic cells on the two closest planets to us.

Actually, we have no proof that life on Earth originated only once.

Hootsmon · September 2023

Tannin said:

GoFish said:

All this talk of the precise conditions for life are a bit moot as we're trying to extrapolate from one (1) known instance. We have literally no idea how common or rare or neceessary any of these factors are. We haven't even confirmed or denied the existance of organic cells on the two closest planets to us.

Actually, we have no proof that life on Earth originated only once.

Keith Richards is testament tae that

Sporky · September 2023

swiller said:

3) The wider universe having lifeforms maybe which we can neither see, hear or touch, and operating on different dimensional levels.

That's such a non-statement. There might be things that are completely irrelevant to us, and us to them? So what?

swiller · September 2023

Sporky said:

swiller said:

3) The wider universe having lifeforms maybe which we can neither see, hear or touch, and operating on different dimensional levels.

That's such a non-statement. There might be things that are completely irrelevant to us, and us to them? So what?

So life forms exist in the universe, we are likely to not be alone in terms of conscious entities in the universe.

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