Alleged Terrorist Prison Escape

Dominic · September 2023

The 'Iranian Spy' who escaped Wandsworth seems to have evaded capture but the newspapers covering the story seem to think that he will be captured very quickly .
I think this is highly unlikely ..........apparently they combed Richmond Park with heat seeking cameras by Helicopter thinking he may be bivouaced there .......I'm more inclined to think he is part of a network and is more likely already long gone from UK or spirited away to an obscure safe house in a non-descript Town hundreds of miles from Richmond.
I expect that Counter-terrorist / MI5 etc are properly on the case but the chances of seeing him again are pretty slim .
What seems more strange is that ,given the security issues,that he was in the army in the first place......and why 'spy' ?
For all we know ,he was a protogee British Spy destined to be placed back into Iran once he had been trained etc
All very strange really

Haych · September 2023

Maybe it's all smoke and mirrors and if Iran considered him a valuable asset this was the perfect cover to plant him into Iran.

He escaped quite easily when reports from ex-prisoners state that there was always a heavy security presence when unloading the lorries, the alarm wasn't raised for 20 minutes after he absconded and the police weren't involved for a further 25 minutes.

More like a plot from a David Baldacci novel and incompetence is probably far more likely. There are speculations he had help and access to money, though. So, who knows?

boogieman · September 2023

I don’t think there’s anything particularly unusual about him being in the army. He’s a British citizen and he joined up in 2018, so not that recent. There are plenty of other people from 1st/2nd/3rd etc etc generation immigrant families that have also joined the British forces. I’d guess he would’ve gone through the same security checks and vetting procedures as everyone else before he joined up?

I doubt he’s some kind of terrorist mastermind. The prison is woefully understaffed from what I’ve read. He could’ve been gone for hours before he was missed.

Emp_Fab · September 2023

Let's face it, with the state of our public services these days, he could probably have applied for, and got, a job as a prison officer at Wandsworth.

axisus · September 2023

Pretty shocking that someone can just waltz out of prison in this day and age.

ICBM · September 2023

I certainly think he was met by someone in a car not long after the lorry left the prison. The uniform is deliberately distinctive, if he’d had to escape on foot he would have been spotted.

My guess is that he’s now with the Iranians somewhere - whether by their design or a double-agent plant by MI6, I have no idea.

TeleMaster · September 2023

axisus said:

Pretty shocking that someone can just waltz out of prison in this day and age.

If dancing was involved I say get him on Strictly.

EricTheWeary · September 2023

They placed a terrorist in the worst run prison in the UK and gave him a job with privileges. Conspiracy or stupidity or just a decade of the Tories underfunding the prison service because they are more concerned with what the Daily Mail says than what actually works.

Haych · September 2023

I've just read that the police are investigating whether prison staff may have helped him escape! If true, I wonder what they could have possibly be offered to make it worth while assisting his abscondment?

Dominic · September 2023

Well ,that's the thing.........
they're not really public services .......they are these awful conglomerate ,faceless companies that do everything from the Toilet cleaning at Heathrow to Motorway Maintenance to Prison and Migrant Hotel management.
They always have stupid nonsense names that make it hard to work out what they do ,they are leaches that alight upon the latest things the government are chucking money at (not just this government ;all governments )
They have names like MITIE,CADENT,G4S,SKANSKA,GROUP4,CARRILLION
They seem to have fuck-all of their own ideas but are always " working in partnership with "
Money sucking Bolt-ons that have no real core but fill gaps with under-trained ,unsuitable ,poorly managed staff recruited from any agency that can find a body with an NI number
You can see them en-masse being useless at any number of diverse jobs all over the place.
I had to laugh to myself last night ;went to local large Sainsbury Convenience store at 8pm to get runner beans ......there's quite a few young people (not kids) hanging around outside and milling around outside but they had a 'security' guard with a hi-vis jacket saying "Mitie ...working in partnership with Sainsbury )
......the guard was age 55 ,the tiniest little Indian man I have ever seen , about 5'2" and built like a stick-insect ....as suitable for the job as a paper-fireguard .Two guys walked out brazenly with 3 bottles of Vodka ....it was sad ,he stepped outside and asked them nervously if they would mind putting it back......"Shut your mouth bro' " was the response as a passing idiot made a gesture to stub-out a cigarette on his head all of 5' from the ground .He scuttled back inside as fast as he could, bless him .
Sainsbury probably pay their"partner "£550 for the privilege of this gentleman.
These silly-name companies need breaking up ........and get somebody else to provide 3 men to operate the little temporary lights at the roadworks ....."in partnership " with Highways Agency !!!!!!
It's endemic ........Spain has an equivalent called Trabilsa ....( I speak Spanish .....it's another meaningless made up word ) who do everything from hose the streets to Airport Security .

tweedphan · September 2023

Haych said:

I've just read that the police are investigating whether prison staff may have helped him escape! If true, I wonder what they could have possibly be offered to make it worth while assisting his abscondment?

Possibly the lives of his or her family. “We know where your children go to school” type of threat.

Jfingers · September 2023

I read somewhere that on a night shift last year Wandsworth prison had seven warders on duty for 1500 inmates. Not a job I'd fancy.

Kilgore · September 2023

There is speculation that he had access to the plans of the UK's new £6K budget marine drones.

Dominic · September 2023

Yeah but everybody finds things like that on buses /trains these days
or ,
They might have been the ' dummy ' plans
William Martin /huelva/operation mincemeat style

Kilgore · September 2023

Dominic said:

They might have been the 'dummy' plans
William Martin /huelva/operation mincemeat style

You have to make these things believable, so I don't think the Iranians would fall for it.That would be more Johnny English style than Operation Mincemeat.

tony99 · September 2023

I still wonder how he managed to put the Raquel Welch poster back once he'd crawled into the tunnel.

drofluf · September 2023

Dominic said:

Yeah but everybody finds things like that on buses /trains these days
or ,
They might have been the ' dummy ' plans
William Martin /huelva/operation mincemeat style

No these plans are the real deal.

AK99 · September 2023

tony99 said:

I still wonder how he managed to put the Raquel Welch poster back once he'd crawled into the tunnel.

You've ruined that film for me for evermore now Tony..

TeleMaster · September 2023

AK99 said:

tony99 said:

I still wonder how he managed to put the Raquel Welch poster back once he'd crawled into the tunnel.

You've ruined that film for me for evermore now Tony..

Just before you go through you tape the top back on and go through it like a curtain, as you're through you tape the bottom corner and then the other side. Easy.

AK99 · September 2023

Ah, I see. The old Red special Shawshank double-sided sticky-backed plastic trick then ..

BillDL · September 2023

ICBM said:

..... if he’d had to escape on foot he would have been spotted.

.... or striped

ICBM · September 2023

BillDL said:

.... or striped

Checked, actually

.

Red and white checkered trousers, white T-shirt and brown boots according to the news.

BigBearKris · September 2023

They've just shown the kitchen clothes that he was wearing, I don't think they necessarily screamed "prisoner!"- white t-shirt and purple baggy trousers.
Investigators have starting point where he apparently left the underneath of the lorry, problem is - they're over 2 days late with this information...

skunkwerx · September 2023

Haych said:

I've just read that the police are investigating whether prison staff may have helped him escape! If true, I wonder what they could have possibly be offered to make it worth while assisting his abscondment?

£50 and a bar of chocolate would probably be enough. When I've been looking at jobs, general prison staff wages aren't advertised at anything much above £28k and all the job reviews are 2 out of 5 stars lol.

Dominic · September 2023

I doubt an inside job in the conventional sense .......and I doubt he will be caught ......it's all far too polished in a low rent James Bond way .I suspect there is a serious operation behind him ,thought out plans/strategy and plenty of 'safe' house options . He's probably having plastic surgery somewhere in Turkey as we speak .

EricTheWeary · September 2023

BigBearKris said:

They've just shown the kitchen clothes that he was wearing, I don't think they necessarily screamed "prisoner!"- white t-shirt and purple baggy trousers.

Apparently the police have already got Suggs helping them with their enquires.

ICBM · September 2023

BigBearKris said:

They've just shown the kitchen clothes that he was wearing, I don't think they necessarily screamed "prisoner!"- white t-shirt and purple baggy trousers.

Yes, when they said 'red and white check' I imagined something more like 3" red and white squares that would stand out a mile. Unless you're up very close these just look like ordinary pinkish/purple trousers... not obviously 'prison' at all.

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Dominic · September 2023

BigBearKris said:

They've just shown the kitchen clothes that he was wearing, I don't think they necessarily screamed "prisoner!"- white t-shirt and purple baggy trousers.
Investigators have starting point where he apparently left the underneath of the lorry, problem is - they're over 2 days late with this information...

Never doubt the time factor ......10 years ago when we were burgled at home we got a visit from a detective 2 days later.
After chatting a few things through and telling us a forensics lady would be along 'later in the week ' to take fingerprints he then said ' hopefully we might get him.......we're getting a chopper up in the next hour '
Heavens knows what that would do 2 days later .
I was speechless

Deadman · September 2023

A lot’s being made of this innit? The lad’s barely old enough to shave. He’s not the bloody Jackal.

Sassafras · September 2023

When are they gonna realise there's a lot to be said for a ball & chain.

scrumhalf · September 2023

Sassafras said:

When are they gonna realise there's a lot to be said for a ball & chain.

Please keep your private life to yourself.

I think it's likely that he's now got a new identity, a haircut and will lay low for a while.

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