NAM: neural amp modeler

Vintage65 · March 2023

Has anybody looked into this project? Some bold claims about it being better than a Kemper or Quad Cortex!???

Vintage65 · March 2023

Links (in progress).

https://neuralampmodeler.com/ (includes Tonehive amp model downloads)

https://github.com/sdatkinson/NeuralAmpModelerPlugin/releases/tag/v0.7.0

https://github.com/pelennor2170/NAM_models

*** Amp models can be found in these discussion threads ***

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/neural-amp-modeler-v0-2-open-sourced-amp-modeler.2366776/

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=581466

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=276581

https://www.facebook.com/groups/5669559883092788

Vintage65 · March 2023

Some initial impressions. This is good, development is still in the early stages and it's a bit raw, unwieldly even, but it's very good for a freebie! I've got a Telecaster running through a clean AC15 profile, and it's as clear as a bell. Pick dynamics are great too, very responsive.

fretmeister · March 2023

I wonder if NeuralDSP will get upset with anyone else trying to use the word "neural" in their product description.

Bod · March 2023

fretmeister said:

I wonder if NeuralDSP will get upset with anyone else trying to use the word "neural" in their product description.

I'd say it's likely.

digitalscream · March 2023

Not just free, but also open source...and apparently compiles on Linux too. Me likey. I'll have to have a go with it at some point.

Vintage65 · March 2023

fretmeister said:

I wonder if NeuralDSP will get upset with anyone else trying to use the word "neural" in their product description.

I don't think so as neural is a generic word, and this project uses neural networks to train the models.

Vintage65 · March 2023

I just tried a NAM Muff pedal in front of a clean Helix Native amp and it sounds great. I'm still not sure how I will use it in the real world, but it seems useful as a studio tool. I'm guessing somebody will eventually come up with a hardware box like the one Tonex has.

digitalscream · March 2023

Imagine if someone builds some hardware around this...

Bod · March 2023

Vintage65 said:

fretmeister said:

I wonder if NeuralDSP will get upset with anyone else trying to use the word "neural" in their product description.

I don't think so as neural is a generic word, and this project uses neural networks to train the models.

I agree that the neural is a generic word, but that's not really relevant. The issue is that they're similar products in the same market.

digitalscream · March 2023

Bod said:

Vintage65 said:

fretmeister said:

I wonder if NeuralDSP will get upset with anyone else trying to use the word "neural" in their product description.

I don't think so as neural is a generic word, and this project uses neural networks to train the models.

I agree that the neural is a generic word, but that's not really relevant. The issue is that they're similar products in the same market.

The good news is that it's trivial to change - there's no marketing to speak of, and no cost to changing the name.

And...if they changed it to "Neural Net Amp Modeler" then the term isn't "Neural", it's "Neural Net"...which couldn't possibly be trademarked since it has a very specific technological meaning.

Of course, then the NAMM organisers might have something to say

Vintage65 · March 2023

Bod said:

Vintage65 said:

fretmeister said:

I wonder if NeuralDSP will get upset with anyone else trying to use the word "neural" in their product description.

I don't think so as neural is a generic word, and this project uses neural networks to train the models.

I agree that the neural is a generic word, but that's not really relevant. The issue is that they're similar products in the same market.

I'd be more worried about what the crazy folks are going to do with this open source technology, as it just seems to be a proof of concept at the moment.

Vintage65 · March 2023

digitalscream said:

Imagine if someone builds some hardware around this...

Vintage65 · March 2023

Here are some VOX AC15 amp profiles to play around with.

https://we.tl/t-kac30iYWxP

Windows Installer for the Neural Amp Modeler (Standalone & VST3).

https://we.tl/t-QsWu7oW8Ez

Note: You will need your own IR files.

Danny1969 · March 2023

I think this is actually the future of guitar amps but someone needs to make a generic DSP module that's based around the low current draw and underfilled chip design of a phone .. so's it relatively immune to vibration and moisture.

Then an amp could be PSU - DSP - Poweramp and all the models could be right there in the amp.

digitalscream · March 2023

Danny1969 said:

I think this is actually the future of guitar amps but someone needs to make a generic DSP module that's based around the low current draw and underfilled chip design of a phone .. so's it relatively immune to vibration and moisture.

Then an amp could be PSU - DSP - Poweramp and all the models could be right there in the amp.

...make the module upgradeable, possibly connected via a low-latency interface like Thunderbolt, and we might actually have something that's customer-friendly

digitalkettle · March 2023

Must be good: the guy in the vid has invoked 'wow face #4' from the streamers' handbook...and he's pointing!

Vintage65 · March 2023

digitalkettle said:

Must be good: the guy in the vid has invoked 'wow face #4' from the streamers' handbook...and he's pointing!

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digitalkettle · March 2023

Vintage65 said:

digitalkettle said:

Must be good: the guy in the vid has invoked 'wow face #4' from the streamers' handbook...and he's pointing!

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Smaaaash it!!!

Vintage65 · March 2023

digitalkettle said:

Vintage65 said:

digitalkettle said:

Must be good: the guy in the vid has invoked 'wow face #4' from the streamers' handbook...and he's pointing!

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Smaaaash it!!!

I avoid the hype by using my own ears

hollywoodrox · March 2023

digitalscream said:

Imagine if someone builds some hardware around this...

Holy raspberry pi project

digitalscream · March 2023

hollywoodrox said:

digitalscream said:

Imagine if someone builds some hardware around this...

Holy raspberry pi project

Indeed. I do wonder what kind of latency you'd get on a Pi 4 with this, an LV2 host and an average audio interface. Add a small screen, and you could easily build a high-quality profiler for less than £200 with some DIY involved.

Of course, that assumes that you could get a Pi 4.

hollywoodrox · March 2023

digitalscream said:

hollywoodrox said:

digitalscream said:

Imagine if someone builds some hardware around this...

Holy raspberry pi project

Indeed. I do wonder what kind of latency you'd get on a Pi 4 with this, an LV2 host and an average audio interface. Add a small screen, and you could easily build a high-quality profiler for less than £200 with some DIY involved.

Of course, that assumes that you could get a Pi 4.

Yes I’ve not looked at the software so wasn’t sure. If a pi would run it but there does seem to be a scarcity at the moment which has made prices rise , even older pi’s that I used are significantly more expensive now

digitalscream · March 2023

hollywoodrox said:

digitalscream said:

hollywoodrox said:

digitalscream said:

Imagine if someone builds some hardware around this...

Holy raspberry pi project

Indeed. I do wonder what kind of latency you'd get on a Pi 4 with this, an LV2 host and an average audio interface. Add a small screen, and you could easily build a high-quality profiler for less than £200 with some DIY involved.

Of course, that assumes that you could get a Pi 4.

Yes I’ve not looked at the software so wasn’t sure. If a pi would run it but there does seem to be a scarcity at the moment which has made prices rise , even older pi’s that I used are significantly more expensive now

CPC are currently expecting more stock on 13th November 2023.

FFS!

There are, of course, alternatives. I'd imagine that a Rock Pi 4B would do the job quite well, albeit more expensive than a Raspberry Pi.

goldtop · March 2023

Isn't there a Korg synth that's based on a Pi? So there should be enough processing power for an amp sim.

Vintage65 · March 2023

hollywoodrox · March 2023

goldtop said:

Isn't there a Korg synth that's based on a Pi? So there should be enough processing power for an amp sim.

There was a Korg Synth for the Nintendo DS!

Flink_Poyd · March 2023

I stumbled across this today. It's good that it's a standalone plugin as well as running it through a DAW. Hopefully this keeps getting developed and as more captures get uploaded it should be a good alternative for those of us who don't use/can't justify spending too much on something like a Kemper or Quad Cortex.

PolarityMan · March 2023

I keep saying this but tbh I dont think the tech itself is a differentiator anymore and the key is going to be ecosystem of quality captures. Right now kemper has that sewn up but if anyone can either get critical mass on their own format, or even better playback existing kemper profiles in software that that will totally break kempers dominance in the market.

digitalscream · March 2023

PolarityMan said:

I keep saying this but tbh I dont think the tech itself is a differentiator anymore and the key is going to be ecosystem of quality captures. Right now kemper has that sewn up but if anyone can either get critical mass on their own format, or even better playback existing kemper profiles in software that that will totally break kempers dominance in the market.

The tech itself is out of the bag, but the fact that this one is open source makes it a massive change in the market - when anyone can chuck together a system to do it with a basic computer and audio interface, free of any proprietary constraints...I can easily imagine it getting to the point where there are implementation and format standards, and then the only differentiators will be hardware quality and ergonomic innovations.

As soon as I get some spare time (likely this summer) I'm going to grab a couple of relatively cheap SBCs and see if I can put something together with a touchscreen that'll run this. If it can...interesting things may happen.

Vintage65 · March 2023

New website, includes amp model downloads.

https://neuralampmodeler.com/

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