Metallica return...

Grumpyrocker · April 2023

PolarityMan said:

Grumpyrocker said:

Boromedic said:

Grumpyrocker said:

For me Death Magnetic sounded more like proper Metallica. But the production is so bad I find it gives me a headache. It's pretty much unlistenable on headphones.

It's a very tiring listen on streaming or CD, it gets very fatiguing very fast. The vinyl mix is better and far less tiring, still a difficult listen in places though due to the overlong arrangements.

There are mixes around on YouTube that sound much better, sourced from Guitar Hero stems.

That's hilarious! Same goes for St Anger too. Tbh having watch some kind of monster I think the problem is that Lars especially is a bit of a control freak but has also totally fried his hearing. They need someone working with them who either has big enough balls or is a big enough name to just tell them to fuck off and let the producer/mixer do their job to a certain extent.

Same with Iron Maiden. Clearly Steve's hearing is fucked, but he gets final say.

Philly_Q · April 2023

PolarityMan said:
That's hilarious! Same goes for St Anger too. Tbh having watch some kind of monster I think the problem is that Lars especially is a bit of a control freak but has also totally fried his hearing. They need someone working with them who either has big enough balls or is a big enough name to just tell them to fuck off and let the producer/mixer do their job to a certain extent.

I remember watching the film (and the extra material on the DVD) all those years ago, and I think several people got carried away and forgot what their jobs were.

There was the psychologist guy trying to suggest lyrics, for a start... But I think Bob Rock was really at fault, he started thinking of himself as a band member rather than a producer. He should've said OK, you've got this idea about doing things differently, and that's fun and interesting... but it's shit and you shouldn't expect people to waste good money on it.

Springywheel · April 2023

12 seasons...a great album that could have been a classic if they'd have trimmed the meat off in a few places, particularly the title track. Same problem with death magnetic and st anger.

Philly_Q · April 2023

Springywheel said:

12 seasons...a great album that could have been a classic if they'd have trimmed the meat off in a few places, particularly the title track.

So you'd suggest they trim five-sixths of it?

MagicPigDetective · April 2023

Philly_Q said:

Springywheel said:

12 seasons...a great album that could have been a classic if they'd have trimmed the meat off in a few places, particularly the title track.

So you'd suggest they trim five-sixths of it?

Perhaps 5 seasons would have been enough

imalrightjack · April 2023

MagicPigDetective said:

Philly_Q said:

Springywheel said:

12 seasons...a great album that could have been a classic if they'd have trimmed the meat off in a few places, particularly the title track.

So you'd suggest they trim five-sixths of it?

Perhaps 5 seasons would have been enough

Give me Seasons in the Abyss and I’m way happier.

Grumpyrocker · April 2023

NVM weird double post.

Boromedic · April 2023

Grumpyrocker said:

Boromedic said:

Grumpyrocker said:

For me Death Magnetic sounded more like proper Metallica. But the production is so bad I find it gives me a headache. It's pretty much unlistenable on headphones.

It's a very tiring listen on streaming or CD, it gets very fatiguing very fast. The vinyl mix is better and far less tiring, still a difficult listen in places though due to the overlong arrangements.

There are mixes around on YouTube that sound much better, sourced from Guitar Hero stems.

Yeah, I've heard some of them and downloaded one, the vinyl sounds better

MagicPigDetective · April 2023

imalrightjack said:

MagicPigDetective said:

Philly_Q said:

Springywheel said:

12 seasons...a great album that could have been a classic if they'd have trimmed the meat off in a few places, particularly the title track.

So you'd suggest they trim five-sixths of it?

Perhaps 5 seasons would have been enough

Give me Seasons in the Abyss and I’m way happier.

I listened to that album the other day....what a classic

PolarityMan · April 2023

Philly_Q said:

PolarityMan said:
That's hilarious! Same goes for St Anger too. Tbh having watch some kind of monster I think the problem is that Lars especially is a bit of a control freak but has also totally fried his hearing. They need someone working with them who either has big enough balls or is a big enough name to just tell them to fuck off and let the producer/mixer do their job to a certain extent.

I remember watching the film (and the extra material on the DVD) all those years ago, and I think several people got carried away and forgot what their jobs were.

There was the psychologist guy trying to suggest lyrics, for a start... But I think Bob Rock was really at fault, he started thinking of himself as a band member rather than a producer. He should've said OK, you've got this idea about doing things differently, and that's fun and interesting... but it's shit and you shouldn't expect people to waste good money on it.

I mean I can understand how it happens with a band member. When you're writing youre so invested in the material that you can't imagine someone having a close enough connection to the vision to do a better job than your input. But they have enough money to hire top shelf people who have proven histories doing just that.

The hangers on were just trying to ride coat tails though.

S56035 · April 2023

MagicPigDetective said:

I'm struggling with it, it sounds all similar-paced, I think I'm tired of the Metallica's sound and Hetfield's voice.

I've been listening to Overkill's new album, also thrash veterans, and dare I say it, I prefer it, it sounds more alive and energetic..... the leads, drumming and riffs sound better to me.

That voice though.......

Alterlifeson · April 2023

Just giving it my first play through having heard a couple of the singles only once. I think it's better than Hardwired upon first impression, although that may have had better highs but was less consistent.

Agree with who ever said about the polite guitar tones, they also seem a little down in the mix and fizzy. This seems to be the same sound as they are using live now (kempers). Nothing wrong with that but just needs a tad more gain to me.

High hat is a little too loud too.

lustycourtier · April 2023

Philly_Q said:

Creed_Clicks said:

Philly_Q said:

Of course I don't know Liam Gallagher personally.

How do you know he is a cunt then?

The way he conducts himself in every interview I've ever heard or seen. But I don't think I need you chasing me around demanding justification for a comment? I guess you've never expressed an opinion on anyone in the public eye without first meeting their extended family and spending a couple of weeks backpacking around the Pyrenees with them?

so interviews 30 years ago, when he was 21 years old then?
Hes well known to be one of the nicest people in rock (unlike Noel), and does so much for charity. A real top bloke.

Philly_Q · April 2023

lustycourtier said:

Philly_Q said:

Creed_Clicks said:

Philly_Q said:

Of course I don't know Liam Gallagher personally.

How do you know he is a cunt then?

The way he conducts himself in every interview I've ever heard or seen. But I don't think I need you chasing me around demanding justification for a comment? I guess you've never expressed an opinion on anyone in the public eye without first meeting their extended family and spending a couple of weeks backpacking around the Pyrenees with them?

so interviews 30 years ago, when he was 21 years old then?
Hes well known to be one of the nicest people in rock (unlike Noel), and does so much for charity. A real top bloke.

Oh for fuck's sake. Yes he's absolutely marvellous. I'll join his fan club and wear the badge and scarf and everything. Would you like me to make a donation to his favourite charity, in penance?

My Friend Liam Gallagher GIF - My Friend Liam Gallagher Oasis - Discover Share GIFs

My Friend Liam Gallagher GIF - My Friend Liam Gallagher Oasis - Discover Share GIFs

Boromedic · April 2023

Alterlifeson said:

Just giving it my first play through having heard a couple of the singles only once. I think it's better than Hardwired upon first impression, although that may have had better highs but was less consistent.

Agree with who ever said about the polite guitar tones, they also seem a little down in the mix and fizzy. This seems to be the same sound as they are using live now (kempers). Nothing wrong with that but just needs a tad more gain to me.

High hat is a little too loud too.

They've been using Fractals live (Axe III's now I think?) for a long time. The new album guitar tones are a welcome (for me anyway) return to a blend of Marshall and Mesa (in James's case) probably with some Diezel too. Tallica album tones are nearly always a blend of amps these days. Last album tone I really liked was Garage Inc. their best sounding album for me which James used Wizards on. They also had to do it in 2 weeks so they couldn't edit the life out of it!!

RocknRollDave · April 2023

https://youtu.be/Xv5Rhp3fX60

Impressive, and actually makes me respect Lars a bit more…

Kittyfrisk · April 2023

Ooops naysayers...in with a bullet at number 1 Pop Pickers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65345911

RocknRollDave · April 2023

Kittyfrisk said:

Ooops naysayers...in with a bullet at number 1 Pop Pickers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65345911

For what it’s worth.

MagicPigDetective · April 2023

Kittyfrisk said:

Ooops naysayers...in with a bullet at number 1 Pop Pickers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65345911

One

Boromedic · April 2023

Kittyfrisk said:

Ooops naysayers...in with a bullet at number 1 Pop Pickers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65345911

Some people will be very pleased about this, hahahaha.

roberty · April 2023

Philly_Q said:

imalrightjack said:

Interesting comments from Kirk - and I agree with a lot of what he’s saying - but I still think his recent solos are just not very good:

https://www.guitarworld.com/news/metallica-kirk-hammett-solo-trolls?utm_medium=social&utm_content=guitar-techniques&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=socialflow&fbclid=IwAR1kO6Cm_hUIkery6bcGyPSXUi6FJGtwriTpJz2wvsQXod2zP6YcDpvVJRQ#lgdjqu0wd4s1a2kkk4

I think he sounds overly defensive.

He says “For me, what’s appropriate is playing for the song and playing in the moment”, and I agree...

But this is the same guy that said “With this album I went in intentionally to improvise 20, 30 solos, give them all to Lars and Greg [Fidelman, producer], and go, ‘You guys edit them!’”.

That's not playing for the song, that's playing a load of meaningless nonsense and leaving someone else to make sense of it.

Yeah

Philly_Q · April 2023

Well, I am finally listening to 72 Seasons.

Only halfway through on my first listen, so I probably shouldn't be passing judgement just yet.... but I like it! The overall sound seems less "just listen how fucking heavy we are!" than the last few albums, maybe that's a negative for some but I prefer it. And Hetfield's vocals are better than they have been for decades.

Maybe I'll have got bored after the full 77 minutes, but fingers crossed....

(Next-day edit: I did get a bit bored. And I'm underwhelmed by the contributions of Lars and Kirk. But I do think it's their best album for quite some time.)

Boromedic · May 2023

Philly_Q · May 2023

^^ Blimey, was it really worth resurrecting the thread for that?

Boromedic · May 2023

Philly_Q said:

^^ Blimey, was it really worth resurrecting the thread for that?

Made me chuckle TBF mate

I suppose the bigger takeaway is that I'd wager a fair few people are just enjoying the album and not engaging in some of the butthurt online. (Not so much here btw)

I agree with most of your comments on the new one btw, although I didn't get bored with it. Lars actually I thought was decent (in that signature Lars way of course), most straightforward he's played since the 90s anyway, the less said about the majority of Kirk's contributions is probably for the best, although they get better with more listens (or perhaps the disappointment wears off!). It's a great sounding record too, lovely guitar and even decent bass tones for once

Philly_Q · May 2023

Boromedic said:

Philly_Q said:

^^ Blimey, was it really worth resurrecting the thread for that?

Made me chuckle TBF mate

Fair enough! I guess it's just that American type of humour, doesn't really appeal to me. I'll take my grumpy head off.

It does call out a lot of the cliche Metallica complaints... but they brought those complaints on themselves. And yet, on the other hand, there are many, many bands who don't match up to their early material any more, but don't get so much stick. I guess Metallica pay the price of being such a big name.

Boromedic · May 2023

Philly_Q said:

Boromedic said:

Philly_Q said:

^^ Blimey, was it really worth resurrecting the thread for that?

Made me chuckle TBF mate

Fair enough! I guess it's just that American type of humour, doesn't really appeal to me. I'll take my grumpy head off.

It does call out a lot of the cliche Metallica complaints... but they brought those complaints on themselves. And yet, on the other hand, there are many, many bands who don't match up to their early material any more, but don't get so much stick. I guess Metallica pay the price of being such a big name.

Yeah, I think that's part of it, their size attracts the detractors (album title?!!). I never mind honest and thoughtful opinions when people have actually given it a chance, but some folk will go into it with a mindset of they already hate it before they've even listened. That also doesn't bother me, hence the chuckle at the meme

it's not me losing out in the end so, qué sera.

Philly_Q · May 2023

I've listened to 72 Seasons a few times now, although I'm not enthused enough to keep going back to it. I think I'll withdraw the "bored" comment, I don't find it anywhere near as wearying as Death Magnetic or Hardwired, although they all have about the same total running time. Maybe I'll listen again tomorrow, if I have time.

RobDavies · May 2023

RobDavies · May 2023

My mate shot and produced this: They sound pretty good, in fairness (slight tuning issue on Sad But True?)

https://youtu.be/WMqLIYfzkSg

Howdy, Stranger!

Categories

In this Discussion

Become a Subscriber!

Metallica return...

Comments

My head said brake, but my heart cried never.

My head said brake, but my heart cried never.

My head said brake, but my heart cried never.

My head said brake, but my heart cried never.

My head said brake, but my heart cried never.

My head said brake, but my heart cried never.