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Lightweight fretless bass build 30" scale

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JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
edited November 2022 in Making & Modding

The plan is for a laminated through neck of beech & mahogany (what I had to hand) which was started yesterday and the body wings will hopefully be a poplar core with walnut top and bottom. I already have the poplar left over from the dismantled piano and need to source some walnut. This will hopefully end up being the thinnest build I have done, looking at between 24-28mm, should help keep the weight down and it will have one pickup with volume & tone control.

This may take a while compared to my usual builds (average time has been 6 weeks start to finish). Funds are non existent, so parts will be as and when money comes in, and in the meantime it is a case of using what I have to hand. I am planning on making a pickup for this, already done a test pickup with thicker wire stock taken from an old extractor fan which only had enough for 2000 winds (completely hand wound...), it worked well but had a very low output and would require a preamp to boost it. I may well use the test pickup in a future build with a preamp, but will need to buy some wire for this one. I may even try making a humbucker.

The through neck pieces were cut to size, squared and glued together yesterday. Then this morning I glued on the 'ears' for the headstock (lots of squeeze out), did a quick sketch of the body shape and after removing the clamps I tried it in position with the rough body shape cut out of cardboard. The shape may change, but the main purpose was to work out the upper horn positioning to end above the 12th fret location for balance. 


After giving the 'ears' enough time to dry I set about cutting the headstock angle at 9 degrees.


After that I glued the cut-off to the back of the headstock to provide enough thickness across the length and then set about working out string positions based on 17mm string spacing at the bridge and a 38mm nut so that I could do the positions of the tuners and get a basic shape sketched in for the headstock.


Will get the basic headstock shape cut tomorrow morning and see what else I can do after that.

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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    Headstock shape and body wings poplar cores roughly cut. 



    Will shape the wings a bit more once I have the walnut, planning on having the poplar show through on the edges similar to the mockingbird build.
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  • Great stuff!  :)

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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    Great stuff!  :)

    Thanks Andy.  =)
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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    Few updates.

    The 42 AWG wire arrived on Saturday, had a couple of hours free over the weekend so made the first pickup bobbin and then this afternoon started the wind by hand... got to 40 winds and snap... start again... managed just over 100 winds and snap again. Realised that my skin was too rough and the wire kept snagging on it, so asked the wife for some moisturiser and started over. Success :) 

    Managed to do 4000 winds before having to stop for the day, but the moisturiser is working great, getting the right amount of tension in the wire and it flows through the fingers easily. I have also been varnishing the winds at certain intervals, getting plenty on and letting it soak in and then turning the bobbin and doing the same from the other side before continuing the winds, shouldn't be any need for wax potting at the end.





    Had a few deliveries today as well - Fretboard, double action truss rod and some walnut boards.



    The walnut boards are only 100mm wide, so there will be a bit of work getting a seamless join on the wings, but I like a challenge... which is why I decided to go with Leadwood for the Fretboard. Harder than Ebony and apparently very difficult to work, sharp tools are essential :)

    Pretty sure I planned on this build being lightweight, I was told Leadwood was on the heavy side... too damn right it is!!!!

     
    Looking forward to this.  :# 
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  • BigMonkaBigMonka Frets: 1732
    I've not seen someone literally wire a pickup by hand (with no winding machine!), that's amazing!
    Always be yourself! Unless you can be Batman, in which case always be Batman.
    My boss told me "dress for the job you want, not the job you have"... now I'm sat in a disciplinary meeting dressed as Batman.
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 15793
    edited November 2022
    BigMonka said:
    I've not seen someone literally wire a pickup by hand (with no winding machine!), that's amazing!
    I tried it once.  I didn't get far, but never thought to smooth out the travel of wire between my fingers.

    Obviously "hand wound" doesn't normally mean that at all, usually its closer to hand guided.  Zhangbucker offers a "Pure Handwound" option, along with some claims on why this is so much better than a machine wound pickup.

    Hats of to @JGTay , takes a lot of patience to get this far!


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  • PhilKingPhilKing Frets: 1391
    WezV said:
    BigMonka said:
    I've not seen someone literally wire a pickup by hand (with no winding machine!), that's amazing!
    Zhangbucker offers a "Pure Handwound" option, along with some claims on why this is so much better than a machine wound pickup.

    I have a set of the Zhangbucker Handwound Strat pickups and they have a very clear piano like tone.   Not sure if they were really worth the effort and money, but they are very nice (though they are not the most expensive Strat pickups).   They are really nice for ballads and blues, and things where you want a really clean sound.
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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    WezV said:


    Hats of to @JGTay , takes a lot of patience to get this far!


    Thanks Wez. Very much appreciated. :) 
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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    Finished the first coil of the humbucker this afternoon, did 7000 winds in total and then wired it up to test the output. Works well. :) 

    Managed to keep it looking quite neat, very pleased.







    Will make the bobbin for the second coil tomorrow and possibly get started on the winds if I have time. Managed to get a good technique going clockwise, will be strange doing a counter clockwise wind now.  :#
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    BigMonka said:
    I've not seen someone literally wire a pickup by hand (with no winding machine!), that's amazing!
    Thanks @BigMonka. I like to try and have a go at new things, nothing lost if it doesn't work out. 
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  • PeteCPeteC Frets: 399
    Kudos to you - ive never wound any pickups for fear of breaking the wire every attempt.   Always fancied making a winder but like many things never got round to it.  
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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    Thanks @PeteC. On my practice pickup the wire was around double the thickness of the 42 AWG wire I am using now, so it was much easier and didn't get any breaks. When this wire arrived I tested the breaking point and knew it was going to be difficult getting a rhythm going without breaking it, but using moisturiser has worked perfectly, no breaks since and a good tension on the winds. 
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  • PhilKingPhilKing Frets: 1391
    JGTay said:

    Will make the bobbin for the second coil tomorrow and possibly get started on the winds if I have time. Managed to get a good technique going clockwise, will be strange doing a counter clockwise wind now.  :#
    I think this is amazing and and incredible build from scratch.  On the winding, wouldn't you just need to put the bobbin in the clap the other way, and then you could still wind in a clockwise direction?  I think that's how you do it with a winding machine (though I've only seen it being done, I've never actually done it).
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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    Thanks @PhilKing. =) I persevered and have finished it this afternoon, after the first couple of hundred winds counter clockwise it got easier and I manged to get a good rhythm going, not quite as fast, but good enough and with the same tension.
    Will post a pic in a bit of the finished humbucker. 
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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    As mentioned, I finished the pickup this afternoon. Did 8000 winds on the second coil, joined the bobbins together and wired it up for testing. Very happy with the sound and output. :) 

    North coil clockwise, south coil counter clockwise and the magnets in reverse polarity on each coil to enable the hum cancellation.



    Not too worried about how it looks as I will be making a cover/surround out of the walnut. The magnets aren't glued in place as I want to get some slightly bigger ones, either 8mm or 10mm. The main thing was getting it made so that I could pre-cut the cavity to size before gluing on the body wings.
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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    Started on the truss rod channel this afternoon. First job was getting it in the correct position and drawing round it.



    Then with a straight edge clamped in place along the lines, scored it with a Stanley knife.



    Then followed up with a chisel pressed in all the way around.



    And out with the freshly sharpened 6mm chisel to remove the wood.



    Tested the rod in place. Managed to get most of the way there, only a couple of mm to go, but had to down tools for the evening.



    Should be able to get it finished tomorrow and then I can look at getting the fretboard in place. :) 
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    When I woke up this morning and went out to the workshop/shed for my first coffee and cigarette, I sat looking at the truss rod raised out of the channel in the neck and made a mad spur of the moment decision to take a channel out of the bottom of the extremely hard fretboard.

    Measured up, 3mm channel needed and this will allow a bit more scope for neck thickness when it comes to shaping.

    I then decided to roughly cut the top edge of the fretboard close to size, leaving a few mm to be on the safe side. Then marked out for fret position markers along the top edge, cut them with the fret saw and then filled them with a beech sawdust and wood glue filler. Will see how they look after I start sanding the radius and if I am not happy with the result it will be the second option of using thin aluminium sheet. I have also decided to do the fretboard longer onto the body (28 frets)

    Leadwood is hard going, even with a freshly sharpened chisel... got there in the end, not the neatest job, but level all the way along and a nice tight fit on the truss rod, no gaps between the fretboard and neck.



    Next up was masking tape over the top of the truss rod and then trimmed to stop glue going in the channel.



    And then glued and clamped the fretboard in place.



    Really need to replace those smaller clamps, they are all bent out of shape after being over tightened too many times.

    I am going to make some adjustments to the body shape, bring the lower horn further back to allow for the extra fret positions and may adjust the top horn joining position for the aesthetics. 
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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    A quick update of todays progress so far...

    Removed the clamps this morning and then got started with the Shinto rasp on the sides.



    Can see the fret position markers starting to show along the top edge.



    Still need to sand level on the sides, slowly getting there, but I wanted to get the new body shape sketched in to give an idea of how it would look and also get the pickup position somewhere close to final location.



    Hopefully you can make out the roughly shaped position of the pencil marks. Think it works... 
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    Couple of updates. Yesterday (before the football! :# ) I decided to get on with the fretboard radius so that I could see how the fret position markers looked, they didn't really work as I had hoped, they were kind of camouflaged against the grain of the fretboard unless you were directly in front of them. Good decision to do the radius before working on getting the sides levelled off, I have moved on to the second fret marker option of using aluminium sheet. 

    This morning I measured up and found the best saw with the closest kerf to the sheet, did a test piece first, which worked really well and then set to work marking out then re-cutting the edge slots. Once they were all cut I then did the aluminium pieces to shape, flattened them out and then glued them in the slots. Once the glue had dried it was just a matter of levelling off the aluminium with the top and edge of the fretboard using a file and a quick sand and clean.

    Still need to level off both edges of the fretboard.





    Need to go over the radius again and take it up through the grades, but very pleased with how well the aluminium is looking.  =)
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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    Got on with sanding up through the grades on the radius this morning. Didn't take any pics at the time, but took some when I finished for the evening.

    The pics don't really do it justice, sanded up to 10,000 grit and it shines! The grain is fantastic.





    This afternoon I moved on to the neck profile and thinning out the back to the required thickness. Looking at around 18mm at the nut and 20mm at the heel... thin neck! :) 

    Marked out and then on with the Shinto.







    Almost to the line. Just need to level it off and then I can start doing the rounding of the profile.
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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    A lot of updates from the last few days.

    While levelling off the back of the neck on Thursday, I found a void in the beech towards the heel end, not sure how I missed it when putting together the neck laminates, it may have had filler over it which prevented discovery, but it wasn't a very nice discovery... :anguished:  Didn't take any pics, wasn't in the best of moods at that point.

    After getting over the initial thoughts of binning it and starting again (which was a serious consideration at first!) I tried doing a mix of wood glue and beech sawdust, which ended up drying an orangey colour, then tried CA glue with sawdust, but again it turned orange, not quite as bad, but not good enough. So final option was to chisel out a section 3mm deep and put in a new piece.

    Made the new piece very slightly bigger than the chiselled out section so that it had to be squeezed in place with clamps to fit, put a thin coat of wood glue in and then clamped it in place. After giving it time to dry removed the clamps and had a look.





    I then set to work levelling it off and bringing in the profile so that I could assess the repair.



    Still needs to be sanded up through the grades, but it has levelled off well. Can still see some glue where it squeezed out around the edges, hopefully when it has been fully sanded it won't be too obvious.
     

    Next on the list was the walnut caps on the headstock. Cut the headstock thickness to size and drilled out the tuner holes, then sanded the front to make sure it was level across the face and then after cutting the truss rod access in the walnut, glued and clamped it in place.



    After the glue had dried, it was out of the clamps, then on with shaping and re-drilling through the tuner holes from the back. Gave it a quick clean with white spirit to give an idea of the finished colour.



    Then moved onto the back. Did some work on the volute first to get the shape right, then levelled off the back face, cut the shape of the volute into the walnut, then glued and clamped it in place.



    After it was out of the clamps, it was shaped and the tuner holes re-drilled from the front. Quick clean up with white spirit again.









    And final pic of the day with the neck profile cleaned.



    All of it needs plenty of sanding through the grades and the heel transition needs to be sorted out, but overall I am pleased with the progress. Need to decide on final headstock shape yet, think it is close...
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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    Have been working on the headstock shape and blending in the volute today.









    The front has a small reveal of the mahogany. Also done fingernail access for the truss rod cover, just need to put some magnets in to hold it in place.



    Very pleased with how it is coming along. :) 
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  • Goodness me, there are some seriously talented people in this section of the forum!


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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    Goodness me, there are some seriously talented people in this section of the forum!

    Thanks Dave.  :3


     A few more updates.

    Went for a job interview on Thursday and 15 minutes after getting home had a phone call offering me the job, so starting on Monday.  :#

    So over the past couple of days I have been getting as much done as possible on the build, missed a few photos along the way but no big loss as it was just gluing on the wings. Decided to get the poplar wings in position first and then do the walnut top/bottom afterwards.

    I pre-cut the control cavity in the poplar before gluing and also did the same with the cavity cover in the walnut. This is after taking the clamps off from gluing the first piece of walnut in place and trimming the edges a bit, still lots of shaping to be done.



    Then did fingernail access for the cover.



    Next up was the walnut piece on the other wing.



    After the glue had dried did a bit of trimming.



    Put an extra piece of walnut on the inside of the cavity cover to give it some extra strength. Have also glued the front piece of walnut on and put an extra piece of walnut in the cavity to give the correct thickness, just need to tidy it up a bit.



    Haven't taken any pics of the front yet, had to finish up for the night and get something to eat. Will get the other piece glued on tomorrow and take some pics. :) 
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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    Managed to glue up the other piece of walnut last night.



    A shot of the edge, down to 27mm at the moment, so should be around the 26mm mark after sanding.



    It was out of the clamps this morning and on with the initial shaping.



    And after getting some shape to it, gave it a quick clean with white spirit to see how it looks.



    Then made a quick cover for the pickup, still needs shaping, but gives a general idea.



    May slim down the wings a bit yet, looks a bit fat in the bottom section. Will have to see how I get on this week and whether I can do any in the evenings.
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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    Been very busy since starting the new job, have settled in nicely and it is going very well.

    Not had much time to do anything on this, but a couple of weekends ago I managed to get started on the carving/shaping and then got a few hours today to do some sanding, not much progress really. Very happy with the shape now and the rounded edges make a huge difference.





    Hopefully I can get a bit more done tomorrow, will see how it goes.
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  • elstoofelstoof Frets: 1583
    Looks great
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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    elstoof said:
    Looks great
    Thanks elstoof.  :3
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  • PeteCPeteC Frets: 399
    Its looking great - Fretless basses are just such good instruments, and yours is coming along superbly. 

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  • JGTayJGTay Frets: 209
    edited February 2023
    PeteC said:
    Its looking great - Fretless basses are just such good instruments, and yours is coming along superbly. 

    Thanks Pete, really appreciate it.  :3

    Have got all the sanding done and drilled for the controls, next step is the varnish which I will be attempting to follow @Andyjr1515 methods, wish me luck at getting anywhere near his quality of finishing!  :#
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