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Slow guitar day (a custom build)

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  • SoupmanSoupman Frets: 172
    @Tannin Oh man, that's going to be a corker! The dimensions look very similar to my Lowden O25, different woods of course.
    A truly beautiful piece of work. I'm drooling, never mind you!
    Hang in there!
     =)
     

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  • TanninTannin Frets: 4394
    Cheers @Soupman pretty close. Little bit bigger, 450mm across the lower bout (just under 18 inches), but the overall proportions should be pretty close because the neck is longer too (as befits a baritone).

    The funny thing is that while I'm looking forward to it, I'm not champing at the bit at all. It will be ready when it's ready. I think this must be because it's been more than two years since I ordered it and I've got used to knowing it's a long way off. Seeing it take physical shape "already" is a bit of a surprise!
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  • MellishMellish Frets: 945
    The reason you went for King Billy Pine?

    :)
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  • TanninTannin Frets: 4394
    Cheers @Mellish, several reasons.

    One is that it is said to sound very like cedar and I like cedar a lot.

    A second is that this is an all-Tasmanian guitar (OK, Paul snuck a tiny bit of ebony onto the rosette, so 99.9% Tasmanian) and King Billy is the softest and lightest Tasmanian softwood - Huon Pine is stronger but heavier, and although technically a softwood is more akin to a light-middleweight timber like mahogany or Queensland Maple; Celery-top Pine ditto. In fact, Celery-top is hard enough to use for a neck, which is what we are doing.

    And the third is that Paul just happened to have a bit of King Billy in his stock, and it just happened to be (barely!) wide enough for an oversize jumbo. I liked the look of it too. It will be a pretty top when it's finished.

    Is it a wise choice for this particular instrument? Dunno, wait and see. I often think that cedar (and by extension King Billy) is best suited to smaller instruments which can be a bit over-crisp with stiffer tops, and less so with large guitars (which have more room to flex and therefore suit a stiffer wood such as spruce or even mahogany. But against that there are plenty of very good makers who make dreadnoughts and jumbos in cedar and there ain't too much wrong with Furch or Lowden. In the end, I guess it is up to the maker to judge how far to thin the particular top and how stiffly to brace it. Paul was happy to use  King Billy, so that was good enough for me. 

    Anyway, when the guitar is completed, I'll have an example of every major Tasmanian tonewood: Huon Pine (Cole Clark Angel top); King Billy (baritone top); Celery-top (baritone neck); Blackwood (WA May back & sides, various necks); Myrtle Beech ("tiger myrtle") (back and sides of the concert guitar also made by Paul; baritone fretboard); and Southern Sassafras (aka "blackheart sassafras") (baritone back & sides). :)

    So that just leaves my other little "complete the set" project. Counting the Brook I'm in the process of ordering, I'll have guitars from Australia, the USA, Japan, and the UK. I have it in mind over the next few years to order guitars from Germany (Stoll) and Sri Lanka (New Tone). That'll be six different countries, after that only 189 to go!

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  • MellishMellish Frets: 945
    Well, if you're not sure King Billy Pine. Is a good choice, take a risk and try it. I like you're thinking!

    Can't wait to see it completed. 

    :) 
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  • TanninTannin Frets: 4394
    Bit of a change of plan. I popped in to see Paul on Friday. Our conversation went something like this:

    "You know that bit of Celery-top I bought to make the neck out of?"

    "Sure."

    "Well as soon as I cut into it I thought 'That smells like Huon Pine!' and sure enough, that's what it is. I don't know whether I made the mistake or the timber merchant screwed up, but either way it's Huon Pine. Anyway, we can get a bit of Celery-top and try again or if you like we can use the Huon Pine".

    "No worries", I said, Huon Pine will be fine."

    "I was hoping you would say that!"

    So he's made the neck blank up and will start the carve in due course. For the headstock we have decided to keep it simple, something broadly similar to this one (which is my Cole Clark Angel III) 



    The headstock illustrated is Huon Pine flanked by Blackwood with an ebony fretboard. We will be using Huon Pine and Tiger Myrtle, with the fretboard also in Tiger Myrtle.

    Huon Pine has become a bit of a visual theme as this guitar design has evolved: it is now going to be the neck, part of the headstock veneer, it already appears on the rosette and we decided to use it also for the body binding  and the strip (I forget what you call it) which goes along the seam where the sides join on the end of the body.

    I'm a bit sad to not have any Celery-top now (it would have been nice to have completed the set) but perhaps that can be something for another day. 

    As reminder (I'm sure I would have mentioned this earlier) Huon Pine is broadly similar to Honduran Mahogany so far as weight and hardness go. It is slightly lighter (95% of the density) and marginally harder (102%), so although Paul was doubtful of its suitability as a binding material - bindings are supposed to be hard so as to resist damage and protect the rest of the instrument - I reckon it out to do the job. There is a sensible argument to do what Cole Clark did with the instrument in the picture just above, use Rock Maple from Canada, which is quite a lot harder and of course much cheaper, but I'm happy with my choice. 

    The  main alternative we considered was Drooping Sheoak, a hard, fairly dark brown timber native to most states in southern Australia (including Tasmania). That would make an ideal binding timber but on balance I decided that the tan-coloured King Billy top would look better with a light rather than a dark binding. 

    What about the hardware? Paul will carve bone bridge and nut but we have not discussed tuners or bridge pins yet. 

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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 4353
    This is an amazing thread. Though dangerous as find I'm getting more into the internals than playing (presently reading through this thread and googling different bracing patterns). Great stuff!!
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  • MellishMellish Frets: 945
    edited April 2023
    @Tannin ; mate, don't be sad over a lack of Celery. A good guitar is a wonderful thing. 
    Love it for what it is, which I'm pretty sure you will.

     
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  • TanninTannin Frets: 4394
    edited April 2023
    I asked Paul what the mystery bridge plate timber was and he couldn't remember but thought it was probably Celery-top. And we also decided to use Celery-top for the binding. I reckon we can call the set complete after all.

    Oh, and I picked the tuners. Paul had a set of Gotoh 510s, gold, closed back, with black winders in his bottom drawer. I said they would do just fine.
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  • TanninTannin Frets: 4394
    edited June 2023
    Well, they got the name of the day wrong.  Monday was supposed to be the King's Birthday public holiday but, having missed out on snagging a King's Birthday honour, Paul went into the shop and did some work on my guitar instead. So I reckon we should call Monday "Tannin's Birthday".

    We have binding and a neck carve! 




    King Billy Pine top, Celery-top Pine binding, Tiger Myrtle fretboard.




    Huon Pine neck, Blackheart Sassafras back and sides.



    It's going to look great once Paul puts a finish on it.

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  • TanninTannin Frets: 4394
    In go the frets.



    An on goes the first coat:



    Mrs Tannin wants to know if it comes with the nice balloon. :)






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  • Wow, they build fast! Looking fabulous already.
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  • SoupmanSoupman Frets: 172
    It's not often I'd want to display a guitar with its backside out (if you pardon the expression) but that back is gorgeous!
     ;)
     
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  • Tannin said:
    In go the frets.



    An on goes the first coat:



    Mrs Tannin wants to know if it comes with the nice balloon. :)






    I'd pay just for the balloon and present it to Mrs Tannin. 'Here you are love,three grand for that!'
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  • WafflesOnHorsebackWafflesOnHorseback Frets: 62
    edited September 2023
    That back is especially stunning. 
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  • Agree, back is stunning and I do follow this... Thanks for keeping it going
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  • I also like the balloon
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  • TanninTannin Frets: 4394
    On the last lap now: the bridge goes on.


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  • Love these build pics!
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  • TanninTannin Frets: 4394
    Notice the truss rod cover a few pictures above. Paul says he has never built a guitar with the truss rod adjustment at the headstock end and prefers to have it accessed through the sound hole (as do I) but it's a consequence of the fretboard placement high above the soundboard.

    I'm not sure exactly why he chose to do that. Possibly it's because that's the way the Thunderhawk does it and he feels that the resulting high bridge and saddle is part of the magic of the sound. I do remember that he borrowed the Thunderhawk back at one stage and had a good think about it, so clearly there is some method there. 

    He did comment that it made that point (the headstock join) the weakest part of the guitar, but then that always is the weak spot and there is still plenty of wood there on this one.

    The headstock veneer is Paul's own idea. I wanted a simple combination-of-timbers design along the lines of a Cole Clark or Maton WA May headstock, but left it to Paul to choose the timbers and do it in his own way. (My motto is never tell the chef how to cook a chicken! Just tell him you like chicken and let him go for it.) 

    His choice - made while I was away in the UK recently - was a surprise to me. I was expecting the dark Tiger Myrtle (matching the bridge and fingerboard) and Huon Pine but now that the neck is Huon Pine (instead of Celery-top) he decided to use Musk instead. It's quite something!

    http://www.distinctivetimbers.com.au/products/musk/tasmanian_musk.htm

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  • SoupmanSoupman Frets: 172
    I know it's a baritone so will be large, but I didn't expect to see half of Sydney harbour bridge in there!
    It looks great, although I may have to review my position on being past GAS now...
     ;)
     
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  • TanninTannin Frets: 4394
    ^ Somebody wandered into Paul's shop the other week and saw it under construction, ordered one for himself. This one will  have the same big jumbo body but in Blackwood with a spruce top (Englemann, if I remember correctly), a 50mm shorter 686mm scale length, and two extra strings - so an 8-string baritone tuned to B in Guild and Taylor style with two octave strings in the middle. 
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  • It's gonna be incredible!
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  • Bagsie first shot... Lol
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  • WafflesOnHorsebackWafflesOnHorseback Frets: 62
    edited October 2023
    I think when it's finished we're all gonna be fighting each other to make Tannin an offer he can't refuse
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  • WazmeisterWazmeister Frets: 8918
    Great thread, pics and inspiration!

    Thanks for sharing; a lot of time and effort has gone into it - much appreciated.  =)
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    Just odds and ends to finish off. I suppose I'd best start scratching around for some money to pay for it with now. (That's the trouble with such a slow build process - for ages it seems as though it won't be ready practically forever and one tends to fritter cash away on other things in the meantime).
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  • SoupmanSoupman Frets: 172
    Beautiful workmanship. I love everything about it.
     You must be like a kid at Christmas waiting to pick that up.
    And yes, as someone above mentioned, it's been great to see the build stages. It feels like we've all been involved!
     :)
     
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  • Beautiful. Can't wait to hear it!
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