The Kemper thread

FarleyUK · August 2018

Anyone know how to send main outputs to stereo FrFr speakers, and then also send stereo out to monitors.... while having just the main master knob affect the main master out and NOT the stereo?

I've seen the stuff about assigning the outputs on the back so you can send L and R, but can't see how to make it so the master volume doesn't affect these...

Jonathanthomas83 · August 2018

FarleyUK said:

Anyone know how to send main outputs to stereo FrFr speakers, and then also send stereo out to monitors.... while having just the main master knob affect the main master out and NOT the stereo?

I've seen the stuff about assigning the outputs on the back so you can send L and R, but can't see how to make it so the master volume doesn't affect these...

https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/27380-How-to-control-monitor-volume-and-main-output-volume-separately/

You can unlink the volume on those according to the thread above.

Jonathanthomas83 · August 2018

Jonathanthomas83 said:

FarleyUK said:

Anyone know how to send main outputs to stereo FrFr speakers, and then also send stereo out to monitors.... while having just the main master knob affect the main master out and NOT the stereo?

I've seen the stuff about assigning the outputs on the back so you can send L and R, but can't see how to make it so the master volume doesn't affect these...

https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/27380-How-to-control-monitor-volume-and-main-output-volume-separately/

You can unlink the volume on those according to the thread above.

@FarleyUK did you get anywhere with this? Was it helpful?

FarleyUK · August 2018

Jonathanthomas83 said:

Jonathanthomas83 said:

FarleyUK said:

Anyone know how to send main outputs to stereo FrFr speakers, and then also send stereo out to monitors.... while having just the main master knob affect the main master out and NOT the stereo?

I've seen the stuff about assigning the outputs on the back so you can send L and R, but can't see how to make it so the master volume doesn't affect these...

https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/27380-How-to-control-monitor-volume-and-main-output-volume-separately/

You can unlink the volume on those according to the thread above.

@FarleyUK did you get anywhere with this? Was it helpful?

I think so, cheers - actually managed to figure it out, although not had a chance to properly play with it yet.

I have some questions though...

1. I want to use a talk box in the signal chain, which I understand must use the direct out output, but I also want stereo out as a secondary separate monitor control (with it’s own volume control). Can this be done?

2. Can I assign a morph pedal to the delay mix etc.?

3. Not had a chance to check, but I’m assuming I can rename rigs, amps, profiles and cabs in rig manager....?

Jonathanthomas83 · August 2018

@FarleyUK ;
1. Unsure
2. Yes
3. Yes

FarleyUK · August 2018

Thanks!

One other question - how the hell do you manage IRs on the Kemper? Can't see anyway to do so in Rig Manager.

Freebird · August 2018

FarleyUK said:

Thanks!

One other question - how the hell do you manage IRs on the Kemper? Can't see anyway to do so in Rig Manager.

Jonathanthomas83 · August 2018

FarleyUK said:

Thanks!

One other question - how the hell do you manage IRs on the Kemper? Can't see anyway to do so in Rig Manager.

IRs aren't the focus of the Kemper, Profiles are. Profiles have the cab sound built in. This touches a bit on an earlier post where you asked about DI and merged profiles. Direct profiles allow you to use IRs or different cabs from different profiles, I believe. So although IR loading is possible (Kemper calls it something else, IRs need to be converted to be used with the Kemper) IMO it introduces and unnecessary inconvenience and complexity.

I opt not to bother with IRs and stick with the original Kemper philosophy of using profiles as they were originally intended, inclusive of the cabinet - many on the Kemper forum stick to this too. Many don't of course, but I really don't see the point in going down the IR rabbit hole with the Kemper, it can be so much simpler than that if you want it to be.

Again, it's worth truly understanding what the Kemper does and reading up on this stuff.

Any questions, please ask.

FarleyUK · August 2018

Jonathanthomas83 said:

FarleyUK said:

Thanks!

One other question - how the hell do you manage IRs on the Kemper? Can't see anyway to do so in Rig Manager.

IRs aren't the focus of the Kemper, Profiles are. Profiles have the cab sound built in. This touches a bit on an earlier post where you asked about DI and merged profiles. Direct profiles allow you to use IRs or different cabs from different profiles, I believe. So although IR loading is possible (Kemper calls it something else, IRs need to be converted to be used with the Kemper) IMO it introduces and unnecessary inconvenience. I opt not to bother with IRs and stick with the original Kemper philosophy of using profiles as they were originally intended, inclusive of the cabinet. Again, it's worth truly understanding what the Kemper does and reading up on this stuff.

Any questions, please ask.

Cheers - I understand that, but I've found a lot of profiles I've purchased don't sound that great, even with tweaking. However, by using some Di profiles and some IRs, the sound is a lot 'better' to my ears.

Just wondered if there was an easier way to manage them, but I can struggle through it I think :)Thanks for your patience!

Jonathanthomas83 · August 2018

FarleyUK said:

Jonathanthomas83 said:

FarleyUK said:

Thanks!

One other question - how the hell do you manage IRs on the Kemper? Can't see anyway to do so in Rig Manager.

IRs aren't the focus of the Kemper, Profiles are. Profiles have the cab sound built in. This touches a bit on an earlier post where you asked about DI and merged profiles. Direct profiles allow you to use IRs or different cabs from different profiles, I believe. So although IR loading is possible (Kemper calls it something else, IRs need to be converted to be used with the Kemper) IMO it introduces and unnecessary inconvenience. I opt not to bother with IRs and stick with the original Kemper philosophy of using profiles as they were originally intended, inclusive of the cabinet. Again, it's worth truly understanding what the Kemper does and reading up on this stuff.

Any questions, please ask.

Cheers - I understand that, but I've found a lot of profiles I've purchased don't sound that great, even with tweaking. However, by using some Di profiles and some IRs, the sound is a lot 'better' to my ears.

Just wondered if there was an easier way to manage them, but I can struggle through it I think :)Thanks for your patience!

That's fair enough. I'll have a look to see how others are managing them, I've never really looked into it as I got fed up of the chase when I had the Axe FX. Now I've managed to get it down to two core profiles and I'm done. I'll let you know if I find anything....good luck with it! It'll come!

Wazmeister · August 2018

Jonathanthomas83 said:

FarleyUK said:

Thanks!

One other question - how the hell do you manage IRs on the Kemper? Can't see anyway to do so in Rig Manager.

IRs aren't the focus of the Kemper, Profiles are. Profiles have the cab sound built in. This touches a bit on an earlier post where you asked about DI and merged profiles. Direct profiles allow you to use IRs or different cabs from different profiles, I believe. So although IR loading is possible (Kemper calls it something else, IRs need to be converted to be used with the Kemper) IMO it introduces and unnecessary inconvenience and complexity.

I opt not to bother with IRs and stick with the original Kemper philosophy of using profiles as they were originally intended, inclusive of the cabinet - many on the Kemper forum stick to this too. Many don't of course, but I really don't see the point in going down the IR rabbit hole with the Kemper, it can be so much simpler than that if you want it to be.

Again, it's worth truly understanding what the Kemper does and reading up on this stuff.

Any questions, please ask.

Absolutely spot on.

@FarleyUK - mate, don't even bother with IRs

If the profile sounds crap, and some do, dont even bother with it.

PM me what type of amp sounds you like, and I'll send you some good uns

Free packs that are really good are the Tone Junkie and Brian Carl. These are both very reliable and will help you sort out your own set up and speakers.

https://www.briancarlmusic.com/

https://tonejunkiestore.com/

Freebird · August 2018

Jonathanthomas83 said:

FarleyUK said:

Jonathanthomas83 said:

FarleyUK said:

Thanks!

One other question - how the hell do you manage IRs on the Kemper? Can't see anyway to do so in Rig Manager.

IRs aren't the focus of the Kemper, Profiles are. Profiles have the cab sound built in. This touches a bit on an earlier post where you asked about DI and merged profiles. Direct profiles allow you to use IRs or different cabs from different profiles, I believe. So although IR loading is possible (Kemper calls it something else, IRs need to be converted to be used with the Kemper) IMO it introduces and unnecessary inconvenience. I opt not to bother with IRs and stick with the original Kemper philosophy of using profiles as they were originally intended, inclusive of the cabinet. Again, it's worth truly understanding what the Kemper does and reading up on this stuff.

Any questions, please ask.

Cheers - I understand that, but I've found a lot of profiles I've purchased don't sound that great, even with tweaking. However, by using some Di profiles and some IRs, the sound is a lot 'better' to my ears.

Just wondered if there was an easier way to manage them, but I can struggle through it I think :)Thanks for your patience!

That's fair enough. I'll have a look to see how others are managing them, I've never really looked into it as I got fed up of the chase when I had the Axe FX. Now I've managed to get it down to two core profiles and I'm done. I'll let you know if I find anything....good luck with it! It'll come!

I just posted a video how to do it (4 posts up)

Jonathanthomas83 · August 2018

Am just watching it as we speak! :-)

Freebird · August 2018

Jonathanthomas83 said:

Am just watching it as we speak! :-)

It's short and sweet

FarleyUK · August 2018

Freebird said:

FarleyUK said:

Thanks!

One other question - how the hell do you manage IRs on the Kemper? Can't see anyway to do so in Rig Manager.

Cheers for that link - however, it was more the management and organisation of the IRs I was after. I can import them without an issue, it's just managing the buggers that's the problem.

spark240 · August 2018

@FarleyUK - Ive got tons of profiles , let me know if your looking for anything particular.

Wazmeister · August 2018

Just updated my Remote with the excellent Barefoot Buttons, as supplied by our very own @ThorpyFX ;;

These are not cheap, but you're paying for superb engineering and they are somehow soft to the touch in use.

Very practical solution.

(I just need to add 2 of the little uns to those up/down tank arrows and Im sorted !)

cbellanga · August 2018

It would be so nice if they manage to come up with a floor version for the kemper no? Just dreaming here..

sgosden · August 2018

I read that you can only access the looper function if you have the kemper remote, is that true?

That being said, can you record a loop, and then tune. Muting the input signal but leaving the loop playing out to PA?

Jonathanthomas83 · August 2018

sgosden said:

I read that you can only access the looper function if you have the kemper remote, is that true?
That being said, can you record a loop, and then tune. Muting the input signal but leaving the loop playing out to PA?

Correct. I think you can but I'll have to check. Looper location can be set at the output so I'd imagine itsi absolutely possible to mute and tune whilst leaving the looper running.

Nice Barefoot buttons Waz!

FarleyUK · August 2018

Question.... is there an editor for IRs that will allow me to apply a hi and low cut, to avoid having to take up the X mod slot with an EQ?

FarleyUK · August 2018

I spent most of yesterday 'working from home' and playing with the Kemper properly.

My God, I love this thing.

Haven't dimed the volume yet, but sounds good through both headphones and my 2 DXR10's. Been playing around with snapshots, morphing and performance mode, and managed to get a pretty good Wanted Dead or Alive performance saved. Slot 1 is acoustic sim, with a thick delay and reverb using the freeze feature to keep the 'drone' going at the start of the song, slot 2 is the same acoustic rig but without the drone, slot 3 is my main Aldrich Cameron for the solo, and slot 4 is the Cameron pulled back a bit for the heavy rhythym.

This thing really is amazing, even if you don't use it for profiling! Seems easier to use and navigate than the AX8, although i wish it had a PC editor.... and hi and low cut within the cab block!

sgosden · August 2018

do you need a hi/low cut if you're using a profiled amp? surely the 'digital' high associated with modellers wouldn't have been captured by the profile... as the amp doesn't put it out.

FarleyUK · August 2018

sgosden said:

do you need a hi/low cut if you're using a profiled amp? surely the 'digital' high associated with modellers wouldn't have been captured by the profile... as the amp doesn't put it out.

I won't pretend to understand the science behind it all.... but I do know that when I insert an IR into the cab slot for a direct profile, and then add a graphic EQ in the X slot, the hi and low cut makes a big difference on the sound. I typically cut at around 90Hz and 7000mHz, but off the top of my head I don't know if the hi cut only affected it from a certain frequency register.

Jonathanthomas83 · August 2018

sgosden said:

do you need a hi/low cut if you're using a profiled amp? surely the 'digital' high associated with modellers wouldn't have been captured by the profile... as the amp doesn't put it out.

No it doesn't but it's the close micing of the cab which is usually compensated for with high/low EQ'ing.

Cabicular · August 2018

sgosden said:

do you need a hi/low cut if you're using a profiled amp? surely the 'digital' high associated with modellers wouldn't have been captured by the profile... as the amp doesn't put it out.

If I mic a guitar amp I’ll typically apply some EQ so I would expect to do the same when using a profile.

firepaulmusic · August 2018

FarleyUK said:

I spent most of yesterday 'working from home' and playing with the Kemper properly.

My God, I love this thing.

Haven't dimed the volume yet, but sounds good through both headphones and my 2 DXR10's. Been playing around with snapshots, morphing and performance mode, and managed to get a pretty good Wanted Dead or Alive performance saved. Slot 1 is acoustic sim, with a thick delay and reverb using the freeze feature to keep the 'drone' going at the start of the song, slot 2 is the same acoustic rig but without the drone, slot 3 is my main Aldrich Cameron for the solo, and slot 4 is the Cameron pulled back a bit for the heavy rhythym.

This thing really is amazing, even if you don't use it for profiling! Seems easier to use and navigate than the AX8, although i wish it had a PC editor.... and hi and low cut within the cab block!

Didn't know there was a freeze feature, how would you use it? Also what is a Snapshot, is it like the Helix feature?

FarleyUK · August 2018

The freeze feature basically 'freezes' the ambient wet sound of the delay; so, to get the drone sound working, I selected a very wet delay with reverb, hit a d minor chord, and press the programmed button on the remote. This causes the wet delay and reverb FX to play, without any future notes or chords - while the freeze is activated - affecting it. Very cool feature.

Can't remember much about the Helix snapshots, but they're basically different 'instances' of the same rig; so one for low gain, one for high gain, one for lead etc.

chrishill901 · August 2018

Hi guys, I’m thinking of buying a Kemper, probably quite very soon but I was wondering if the stock profiles are any good? Once I’ve laid £1400 on the Kemper I’m not going to have much left over for commercial profiles...

Wazmeister · August 2018

Chris,
Yes - some good some great some bad... but easily enough to get you going.

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