pedals that miss the point

dogload · November 2013

Bidley said:

I've never seen the point in Les Paul configurations, i.e. a volume pot for each pickup? Why? Is that not what the selector switch is for?

Again, I wouldn't change that layout. In fact, I find a lack of control for each pickup on such guitars quite disconcerting.

guitarfishbay · November 2013

Bidley said:

I've never seen the point in Les Paul configurations, i.e. a volume pot for each pickup? Why? Is that not what the selector switch is for?

No because sometimes you want to go from one pickup set one way to another set a different way. E.G. warm clean with neck vol and tone rolled down to driven biting lead with the bridge wide open.

Also it gives you a lot of options in the middle position for balancing the sound. A bit more bridge position helps it with clarity for driven sounds but a bit more neck is often warmer for cleans. I've tried some guitars where it was hard to balance to volumes in the middle position though, I don't have enough knowledge about wiring to know why but maybe it is in the wiring.

frankus · November 2013

I love switching from jazz - blanket over the amp sounds to twangy country sounds, apart from no tone on the bridge (as per my strat and the tele) the 4 knobs is the best way to do it...

it confuses the hell out of me though ... is it tone below or tone behind?

stickyfiddle · November 2013

Re foot switches close together- that's so you can hit both at once...

As for strats, I run a master tone and HLK on mine and that great. If the HLK could be set not to work as a middle tone when disengaged that'd be perfect

Bidley · November 2013

guitarfishbay said:

Bidley said:

I've never seen the point in Les Paul configurations, i.e. a volume pot for each pickup? Why? Is that not what the selector switch is for?

No because sometimes you want to go from one pickup set one way to another set a different way. E.G. warm clean with neck vol and tone rolled down to driven biting lead with the bridge wide open.

Also it gives you a lot of options in the middle position for balancing the sound. A bit more bridge position helps it with clarity for driven sounds but a bit more neck is often warmer for cleans. I've tried some guitars where it was hard to balance to volumes in the middle position though, I don't have enough knowledge about wiring to know why but maybe it is in the wiring.

Fair enough, makes sense. I rarely use middle positions and I find setting knobs on guitars mid-song/set too fiddly.

ICBM · November 2013

frankus said:

I love switching from jazz - blanket over the amp sounds to twangy country sounds, apart from no tone on the bridge (as per my strat and the tele) the 4 knobs is the best way to do it...

it confuses the hell out of me though ... is it tone below or tone behind?

Wait til you try a Rickenbacker!

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I apologise for having so badly diverted this thread, by the way

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Other pedals that miss the point… modulation and delay pedals which have too low headroom to work properly in an effects loop, or which digitise the dry signal path without the option of a 'wet only' setting. (The flipside of this is amps which have too high a loop level to work with most pedals, or parallel loops which don't go to 100% wet.)

frankus · November 2013

stickyfiddle said:

Re foot switches close together- that's so you can hit both at once...

I love this on my mini bi-comp.

dogload · November 2013

ICBM said:
Wait til you try a Rickenbacker! )

Ha! You read my mind!

Dave_Mc · November 2013

Maxi said:

Also the JamMan solo xt is totally powerful a brilliant looper but such a small footprint means it takes up twice as much space once youve bought the remote patch switch . The bigger one has smaller footprint .

Thanks for that- I've been half-thinking of getting a looper recently. If the bigger one actually takes up less room in the long run, sounds like it's the one to go for.

ICBM said:

Dave_Mc said:
The other thing that annoys me is sticking religiously to vintage-accurate spec even when there's no point. For example, no DC jack or LED status indicator, or sticking to half-assed bypass for vintage accuracy reasons (rather than just cheaping out, which sucks, but at least is sort of rational on a cheaper pedal).

This is very prevalent on a lot of gear, not just pedals.

For example, why do modern Strats have two tone controls? Do you know anyone who uses even one of them, let alone sets them differently?

Agreed.

However, I like two tones on a strat. I'd want one for the bridge pickup and the other one for neck and middle, though, since only the bridge pickup really needs it, and it'd be handy to be able to preset it just for the bridge pickup. Actually a tele might benefit from a similar system.

So I disagree with only a master tone on a strat, but I agree with the principle.

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Bidley said:

I've never seen the point in Les Paul configurations, i.e. a volume pot for each pickup? Why? Is that not what the selector switch is for?

It's a bit of a double-edged sword, but it can be handy for switching between clean and dirty on different pickups.

Majorscale · November 2013

Bidley said:

I've never seen the point in Les Paul configurations, i.e. a volume pot for each pickup? Why? Is that not what the selector switch is for?

Your answer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gDsbOraiqg

Skipped · November 2013

I sold my original and mint Rams Head Big Muff on the old forum to a collector. Just before I put it in a box I plugged it in for the first time in 20 years. Huh? Surely this device cannot have been my main overdrive for......6 months could it?
With hindsight, it would have made more sense for me to reach into a pocket at the appropriate moments, and play the solos on a kazoo.

ICBM · November 2013

"Pedals that miss the point"… I think we have a winner:

http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/5034/eric-johnson-and-joe-bonamassa-fuzz-face-mini

Maxi · November 2013

ICBM said: frankus said: I love switching from jazz - blanket over the amp sounds to twangy country sounds, apart from no tone on the bridge (as per my strat and the tele) the 4 knobs is the best way to do it...

it confuses the hell out of me though ... is it tone below or tone behind?
Wait til you try a Rickenbacker!

)
I apologise for having so badly diverted this thread, by the way

.

Other pedals that miss the point… modulation and delay pedals which have too low headroom to work properly in an effects loop, or which digitise the dry signal path without the option of a 'wet only' setting. (The flipside of this is amps which have too high a loop level to work with most pedals, or parallel loops which don't go to 100% wet.)

Not to mention Reversed effects that have wet only or no wet / dry mix (Hardwire RV-7 & DL-8 )

Can someone explain how to separate a quote from my text , sorry ICBM .

Maxi

Drew_TNBD · November 2013

Maxi said:

Not to mention Reversed effects that have wet only or no wet / dry mix (Hardwire RV-7 & DL-8 )

Yup! Pisses me off too!

frankus · November 2013

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ICBM · November 2013

Drew_fx said:

Maxi said:

Not to mention Reversed effects that have wet only or no wet / dry mix (Hardwire RV-7 & DL-8 )
Yup! Pisses me off too!

I prefer to have dry signal as well, with the reverse as more of a separate effect. It's an absolute bugger to play anything like in time if you don't have any dry signal in the mix.

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